Who got the most buffs since Melee/Brawl?

[pershona]

Almost unusable in both games, now can actually do something.
Bad in Melee, almost not bad in Brawl and now he's Top 10 in the game.

 

[BurstPanther]

Name me one major Smash 4 player who mains Link.

It's obvious to see that @ Supersmashbrothers. was talking about in general, I've mained Link forever, and you rarely if ever got to play against another Link offline/online where ever. Now in Smash 4, you at least verse one every hour or so.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Definitely and The former is self-explanatory not to mention Bowser Bomb in the air breaks shields, and the other one... well let's say he went from low tier to top tier now.

is an honorable mention for the broken Aura + Rage effect combo.

 

[W.A.C.]

It's obvious to see that @ Supersmashbrothers. was talking about in general, I've mained Link forever, and you rarely if ever got to play against another Link offline/online where ever. Now in Smash 4, you at least verse one every hour or so.

Regardless, I haven't seen a single major Smash player use Link as a main.

 

[Supersmashbrothers.]

Name me one major Smash 4 player who mains Link.

I was talking generally.

 

[IncomingGhost]

Pikachu got amazing buffs to quick attack and thunder. Like most other characters Pikachu was given an over powered up air. The Smash 4 "environment", compared to Brawl, gives Pikachu just enough hitstun to be able to actually combo.

I've always thought of pikachu as a good/decent character.

From Melee, Bowser, Kirby, and Ness were the most improved. Hopefully Mewtwo as well. Captain Falcon and Mario got huge buffs from Brawl

- A few buffs overall, despite losing .

Lmfao at the implication that zelda's best move was turning into sheik

 

[FooltheFlames]

Metaknight got hella nerfed LOL

Link, Yoshi, Bowser, Mario, Luigi, Ness, Cap, Sheik, Sonic and Diddy all got great buffs

Falco, Marth, Wario, DDD, Olimar & Toon Link feel pretty nerfed

I feel like Zamus, Fox, Lucario and Pika are all about the same strength they were om Brawl if not a little better

I think Peach is more or less the same and not as buffed as everyone is making her out to be

I feel like G&W got nerfs in some areas but interesting buffs in others to make up for that

 

[Zodiacx10]

Mr. Game and Watch got nerfed pretty hard

 

[MarioMeteor]

easily

then


Zelda is still bad, not horrible but nothing impressive, Jiggly is also bad, not because the character is horrible but because shields are too strong and she can do nothing against them.

Jigglypuff is anything but bad. Not ridiculous like in Melee, but second best. Shields don't just automatically make her obsolete.
Anyway, from Brawl I'd say the Bros., Jigglypuff, Falcon, Sheik, and Yoshi. But Meta Knight most of all. He was so trash in Brawl, now look at how good he is! Look at the way he can't hit people half a centimeter in front of him. Disgusting. Nerf him, please.
From Melee, probably Kirby, Link, and once again, the Bros. And Roy. He's pretty much an entirely different character now. I like his new shades.

 

[ICXCM]

And Roy. He's pretty much an entirely different character now. I like his new shades.

I get jokes.

I like Captain Falcon in this game. In brawl it was like he was Rick Wheeler, someone you'd never want to be Captain Falcon. But now, is more like OG Captain Falcon.

 

[Mysteltainn]

Overall I would say these guys are in better condition than they've ever been.



Honourable mention to . I didn't include him above mostly because he was quite good in 64 and made a comeback from his rather abysmal form in Brawl.

 

[Savangardius Corsio]

This bad guy got some decent buffs.

 

[Ferblantier]

Bowser actually feels playable in this game.

 

[misterOWAIN33]

Lmfao at the implication that zelda's best move was turning into sheik

In Melee, as I hear, it was. I use just as much as I use in Brawl. I don't have Melee but lots of my friends have it, and lots of competitive Melee players prefer over .
Exhibit A

 

[IncomingGhost]

In Melee, as I hear, it was. I use just as much as I use in Brawl. I don't have Melee but lots of my friends have it, and lots of competitive Melee players prefer over .
Exhibit A

Yeah I know lol, Zelda is considered a weak character competitively, but she's needed to access Sheik

 

[GSM_Dren]

Started from the bottom now we're here.
Have been improved since brawl.
Getting hit with the nerfstick.

 

[9Blades]

Dr Mario and Mewtwo got the biggest buffs since Brawl, because now they exist again

 

[bkslider]

I feel like nearly every character is at their best in Smash 4, regardless of how they fare compared to others. That being said, this is the first game where I have felt that Link, Yoshi, and Ness truly had the tools to go up against most of the cast.

 

[misterOWAIN33]

Dr Mario and Mewtwo got the biggest buffs since Brawl, because now they exist again

What are you talking about? They got NERFED from Brawl because THEY WERE INVISIBLE IN BRAWL!!!

Spoiler

Logic

 

[Saturn_]

It's been said, but a huge number of veteran characters got big time buffs in Smash 4. As people have been pointing out since the game came out, the cast is extremely balanced and even the worst character (whoever that may be) isn't really that bad. Most of the OGs got biiiiig buffs, Some of these characters were F tier in 64 and Melee and even the worst of them is now passably good in Smash4.

Interestingly enough and have been regarded as perhaps the weakest characters in their respective generations. Samus has been bad and stayed bad.

Melee is DBZ, so even though is very good in Smash4 I'd say he's been nerfed considerably since Melee, and is like the 8th best character in Gen2. is much worse than too.

I think my pick for the single biggest leap since Melee would have to be who went from decent to the single best character in the game.

 

[HeavyMetalSonic]

Buffs
He got everything he needed, and then a little bit more. More kill power definitely helps though.
Much better mobility, but still has all the power and weight he had before. A lot more viable.
With rage, he's so powerful. And given his recovery gets better as he gets weaker, he's pretty insane.
I know he was amazing in Melee, but he's a massive step up from Brawl.
I loved using him in Brawl, but he's gotten so good in this game.
His aerial game is crazy, and his jabs are lightning fast. One of the few characters who gives me trouble consistently.

Nerfs
The range... Oh GOD the range...
How did they even manage to make him so bad? He's so slow... He used to be my main in Brawl, but now I can't use him no matter how much I try.

 

[W.A.C.]

If they gave Meta Knight more range and didn't make it so ****ing easy to suicide with his special moves, he probably would be my #2 instead of Larry. I don't understand why he was nerfed to this extent. They way overdid it. Also weird they made Falco so damn slow in this game.

 

[Ferblantier]

They actually nerfed Zelda in this game. Again. W H A T T H E H E C K

 

[Sean²]

Name me one major Smash 4 player who mains Link.

Izaw?

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I will find more eventually since i still dident useeveryone yet but i will start

Wow......where do i begin
+hes much more power
+his standard special is flinch proof
+accuracy is much better
+hes slightly faster now (but by only just though)

I mean i have pulverized 6.0 classic with him only 2.0 short from the ultimate 8.0 and 9.0

Hes may better now
+knockback and kill potiental is WAAAY better than brawl
+not only the power increases from getting damaged hes accuracy is longer distance too, and up special is a reason of that you could get back to the arena if your almost in th kill zone with this.
+Hes faster than brawl
Side special who thats way moreusable now the range gets futher when damaged

Finally hes usable now.

+way way WAAAy faster now
+new attacks and better kill potential.
+his attacks are faster.
+better accuracy
The up special is way better now
So is down special


HOLY COW.
much kore accurate attacks
Huge ko potential
The bitter is usable now
Finaly the fart attack charges from eating stuff why wasen't that in brawl
The normal attacks are way better now


Thank you daddy sakurai
His attacks are so buffed they don't have to be too damaged to get koed by sonic
Thanks for reduce the spinning attacks
Theres a rumor he has the strongest up smash in the game
The nomal special has better ko potential
Both side and down present better combos

His ko potential is off the charts in other words

Thank heavens hes all alon now
Flare blitz is a great attack
Down special is more usable now
Better attacks
Much more ko potential

Thank you thank thankyou my favorite is mainable now
Not only that side special you can move around now it has a finisher punch that has great ko potential
The charge is a little faster and wider and stronger
Some of the attacks are nerfed but not too much i still ko with up air.
Attacks more accurate
His new final smash is way better


Not too much to say but
Smash attacks are way better
The cape and reflect easier now
Comboing much easier than brawl


Most of his attacks are ko potential
The down air spammers are foiled that got nerfed and i like it
Basicly better specials and attacks


The only thing i need to say is....

He has the true mario set and has better ko potential than the melee version


Yes more usable now ko potential is incredable
The non randomness is handy


Still needs some work but much better than brawls pit thats for sure


Wow his ko level is simular to melee again.


One final word then i will work on more

I just hope gets the most buff from all of these charaters

 

[kirbzpuff]

His hammer
Idk, but he feels improved

 

[Zodiacx10]

Link and Mario feel MUCH stronger than they did in Brawl

 

[Smash_Veteran_Amtoj]

Name me one major Smash 4 player who mains Link.

Me.

Seriously though, he's good in this game. Really good. I think there's two big competitive players main him.

 

[A-money2121]

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- Mobility has greatly been improved.
- Reach for most attacks has been improved
- Attacks have greater knockback
- Whirling Fortress covers more distance and damage

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- Greater combo potential

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- U-air and side-special have finishers
- Laser is stronger and recharges quicker

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- U-smash and S-smash are stronger and cover more distance
- You can stay on his bike as long as you want
- Chomp is more reliable

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- Gained more mobility
- Greater combo potential

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- Aerials have good knockback
- Side-b is MUCH more reliable
- Smash attack damage has been slightly improved

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- Aerials are stronger
- Rest is more reliable

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- Lucario's aura has been taken to greater heights*
*Because of this, all of Lucario's standard and special attacks are even more reliable

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- Standard and aerial attacks are more reliable
- Better mobility
- More KO potential

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- Great mobility off and on land
- U-air has a finisher
- Two new and improved specials

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- Great mobility
- Dash attack is more reliable
- Side-smash is now a stronger attack
- Good air game
- Powerful recovery knockback

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- D-air and U-air are a little more reliable
- Powerful side-special
- Powerful side-smash
- Flamethrower covers more distance
- More KO potential

There ya go!

 

[A-money2121]

I suppose I should also mention Sonic

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- Smash attacks, aerials and standard attacks are stronger
- Dash attack has a finisher
- More KO potential

 

[Mazdamaxsti]

- Not only does he gain Flare Blitz, but we are rid of (who I couldn't stand

But... Squirtle was my favourite

 

[TheRealBlueBlur]

But... Squirtle was my favourite

Mine too. He would have had high tier potential in Brawl as a standalone character.

 

[wedl!!]

got buffed

got bopped

 

[misterOWAIN33]

But... Squirtle was my favourite

Mine too. He would have had high tier potential in Brawl as a standalone character.

I'd like to apologize to any mains and revise my earlier statement; I recently started picking up Brawl more, and now I understand how to use Squirtle.
Sorry.
Nothing to see here.
Carry on.

 

[Mazdamaxsti]

I'd like to apologize to any mains and revise my earlier statement; I recently started picking up Brawl more, and now I understand how to use Squirtle.
Sorry.
Nothing to see here.
Carry on.

Once you go Squirtle you never go back.

 

[Xyrohip]

I feel sonic has ahad a ****ton of buffs since brawl. There used to be very few sonic players in brawl. However in the current game sonic has seen huge amounts of play.

I wish we had pichu ssb4. No buffs no nerfs, just the self damaging pichu we all know and love. I am in no way good a pichu in melee however I still want to play him. He's just one of those characters that u pull out and wreck with as your opponents sit there in aww. If your playiny pichu you could be at 40% and still win with the perfect stock

 

[PhantomTriforce]

Bowser for sure. He was just so bad in Melee and Brawl, and now he's definitely playable.

 

[LunarWingCloud]

My top 5 between Brawl and now are Bowser, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, Ness, and Yoshi. All were poop to passable poop in Brawl and now are between "good" and "whoa holy ****"

Pikachu got amazing buffs to quick attack and thunder. Like most other characters Pikachu was given an over powered up air. The Smash 4 "environment", compared to Brawl, gives Pikachu just enough hitstun to be able to actually combo.

Pikachu isn't the most buffed though he was goddamn amazing in Brawl too.