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What's the Marth vs Shiek matchup like in PAL?

JediLink

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So it's pretty widely accepted that Shiek wins in NTSC, but what's it like in PAL? Is it pretty similar, or do the Shiek nerfs make it more even?
 

Beat!

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Sheik's punishment game is severely weakened by the nerfs on her dthrow and uair, but it's still fairly solid. The dthrow nerf also makes shielding more accessible against her (especially at higher percents).

Marth on the other hand almost benefits in this particular matchup from his dair being a meteor because it gives him access to more reliable two-step finishes like dair -> tipper fsmash, which compensates for his slightly less threatening off stage presence.

Imo an even matchup in PAL. MAYBE even a slight advantage for Marth but that might be pushing it. Sheik still has a slightly superior neutral game after all.
 

Red Rice

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Marth on the other hand almost benefits in this particular matchup from his dair being a meteor because it gives him access to more reliable two-step finishes like dair -> tipper fsmash, which compensates for his slightly less threatening off stage presence.
You mean a dair on the stage > fsmash? I'm just wondering how the dair becoming a meteor affects the reliability of dair to fsmash
 

Hao

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Meteor dair sends them at exactly 180degrees which pops them directly upwards, as opposed to the spike which sends them kinda askew and more away from you, so much so that f-smash afterwards is tricky to land.
 
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