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What Would Happen To The Smash 4 MetaGame If Ice Climbers Were In

adamlon1

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First Off I am going to say this thread does not involve fps just the metagame. Honestly in my opinion if the Ice Climbers were in they would demolish this metagame since they can be used for both zoning and full rush down so they can adapt to anything similar to Rosalina and Luma even though Rosalina is more on the zoning side and the Ice Climbers are more rush down. The Ice Climbers would have been a major threat if they were in smash 4 and they would've been the premiere and essential character for smash 4 due to their potential zoning capabilities and rush down capabilities so basically they would have been the pocket knife of smash 4 and that would be one sharp pocket knife. But one gigantic flaw in the Ice Climbers take over is that they rely on the fact that they are a team and thus when one gets knocked off the other is severely weakened and is way too weak as a stand alone character and I think that would be why it would fall short just beneath Rosalina since she can spawn a new Luma in 7 seconds if the previous 1 gets bopped. But still they would be the 2nd best as they would've been a counter to essentially everything and would pose a threat to just about anything. So it would change the way every smash 4 player would practice and approach smash 4 since puppet characters would be such a strong presence people would have to find out how to deal with 2 characters at the same time and to figure out weak points and would encourage better planning and more practice which is good. But what do you think would happen if Ice Climbers were in the smash 4 metagame would it encourage bad sportsmanship or more dedication.
 

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I don't think they would change much if their infamous grabs where taken out and even so I think rosalina is a better choice because she isn't weakened by having her luma unlike the ice climbers, and with rosalina having more control over luma then we ever did with the ice climbers and it just generally being easier to split them up
 

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Everyone's built from the ground up. I think if they know there's something broken with Ice Climber's, they won't let that happen. Those chain grabs, along with Diddy's bananas from Brawl were just overlooked things. I refuse to believe they were intentional as they are very broken. At any rate, Sakurai seems to be cleaning up everything that was wrong with Brawl.
 

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They would probably be completely different to accommodate the new engine, they wouldn't have their chain grabs for one thing.

Also, you should look into text formatting sometime, that's a mighty wall of text you've got there.
 

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I don't think they would change much if their infamous grabs where taken out and even so I think rosalina is a better choice because she isn't weakened by having her luma unlike the ice climbers, and with rosalina having more control over luma then we ever did with the ice climbers and it just generally being easier to split them up
I agree with you on that note the fact that Rosalina has so much control over luma gives us a new look at puppet characters and how they could be in the future while the ice climbers seem to be glued together
 

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Everyone's built from the ground up. I think if they know there's something broken with Ice Climber's, they won't let that happen. Those chain grabs, along with Diddy's bananas from Brawl were just overlooked things. I refuse to believe they were intentional as they are very broken. At any rate, Sakurai seems to be cleaning up everything that was wrong with Brawl.
Ye their chain grabs were something I overlooked during my post but ye they would definitely change those grabs most likely by removing control of the other ice climber when grabbing but there could be a trade to this like for olimar's reduced pikmin but better recovery so maybe they would add better spacing capabilities or just keep it plain and just say better recovery or improved specials
 

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Someone would discover an infinite chaingrab, and they would once again be broken under that exact condition.
 

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Someone would discover an infinite chaingrab, and they would once again be broken under that exact condition.
Sakurai would most likely fix the grabbing scenario since it was so broken back in brawl but there would most likely be a buff since the infinite grabs would die out I would think better specials for better spacing and combos or they would most likely buff they're recovery so they're on par with smash 4 link or having them be slightly better than smash 4 samus
 

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Sakurai would most likely fix the grabbing scenario since it was so broken back in brawl but there would most likely be a buff since the infinite grabs would die out I would think better specials for better spacing and combos or they would most likely buff they're recovery so they're on par with smash 4 link or having them be slightly better than smash 4 samus
I'd love for things like that to change, but quite honestly, I think the most reasonable way to balance them is to split them and make one a clone of the other. Having a double character, as Rosaluma shows pretty clearly, is a nightmare from a balancing stance, due to how polar the characters have to be (ice pun not intended) by design, and thus trying to average the poles out to "useable but not broken" is hard. The ICs had chaingrabs in Melee and Brawl and were thus good (if you got the chain off), but in Project M, where such infinites are removed by design and intent (and for the better, really), they're considered one of the weakest characters, as their neutral game just doesn't (relatively speaking) transition into anything noteworthy.
 

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Hard to say, depends on how they balance them now that chain-grabbing is impossible. I doubt they'd affect the metagame too much honestly, chain-grabbing has always been why they have been as good as they are, take that away and they're suddenly not guaranteed a high placement anymore.
 

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If they returned as they were in Brawl with no chaingrabs they would be garbage. The Ice Climbers are horribly designed to begin with. AI is stupid so Nana will always die so what's the point of making them 2 characters? Why not just make 1 Climber with a good moveset than going by a dumb gimmick that makes your character bad if you separate/ lose your girlfriend. The devs ditched the Ice Climbers and they don't care. "They will not be in a new game anytime soon." Oh yeah? What about Ness, DHD, Mr. Game and Watch, R.O.B, and Captain Falcon? Why not just rework the Ice Climbers to the Ice Climber? One climber with a good moveset and no stupid gimmicks nor chaingrabs. Popo would be the main one and Nana an alt in the same fashion as Alph. It would be drastic I guess, but Bowser got drastically changed and no one complains.
 

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There will be no metagame because your 3DS would have exploded by then. :awesome:
 

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If they returned as they were in Brawl with no chaingrabs they would be garbage. The Ice Climbers are horribly designed to begin with. AI is stupid so Nana will always die so what's the point of making them 2 characters? Why not just make 1 Climber with a good moveset than going by a dumb gimmick that makes your character bad if you separate/ lose your girlfriend. The devs ditched the Ice Climbers and they don't care. "They will not be in a new game anytime soon." Oh yeah? What about Ness, DHD, Mr. Game and Watch, R.O.B, and Captain Falcon? Why not just rework the Ice Climbers to the Ice Climber? One climber with a good moveset and no stupid gimmicks nor chaingrabs. Popo would be the main one and Nana an alt in the same fashion as Alph. It would be drastic I guess, but Bowser got drastically changed and no one complains.
I would honestly love if there was just one ice climber with a really good moveset but if they do return that's probably not going to be the case otherwise they would've done it in brawl but they didn't and it sucks that you have to carry Nana around all the time like a curse you hate but you try to deal with it. Also I doubt that if they return they would be the same as their brawl counterpart since every character is built from the ground up and sakurai would notice problems such as nana's AI and their chaingrabs so ye.
 
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