What stages would be legal if not for one feature?

[Guybrush20X6]

There's not many legal stages but what one do you think would be legal, maybe even neutral if one thing changed?

Maybe Shizku Castle not having walk off ledges on the right or Yellow Devil being disabled on Wily's Castle?

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

Disable Ridley on Pyrosphere and remove the walk-off ledges in Wii Fit Studio and they could be possible counterpicks.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Yellow Devil on Wily Castle.

That could've been a great stage with all the platforms and stuff.

 

[-crump-]

If the bumper and the sloping floaty blocks on Peach's Castle 64 were gone it'd be CP, no doubt.

If Wily's castle didn't have friggin Yellow Devil, it would be glorious

 

[Wintermelon43]

Mario Circuit Brawl with no Cars.

 

[_gold_]

I'd like to see Peach's Castle 64 become legal. I've always liked that stage, cause it seems like crazy stuff happens everytime you play on it. The only thing I think preventing it is the shield in the middle of the stage. The barriers on both sides would be fine, I think, but that shield does some wonky things at times.

 

[Quarium]

Hyrule castle without tornados or Wily Castle without Yellow Devil.

(I still secretly hope hyrule castle becomes counter pick regardless)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Maybe Palutena's Temple would be legal if it was three or four different stages.

 

[Kenith]

Wily Castle is the only stage that comes to mind that would be completely legal without one thing (Yellow Devil).
Everything else is counter-pick/debatable.

- Luigi's Mansion would be viable without the solid platforms. (unless I'm missing something)
- Skyloft would be completely viable if you removed a couple destinations (waterfall especially)
- Jungle Hijinxs could be viable with if it was only the foreground section.

Any other stages would require a lot of other changes to be legal.

 

[Axel311]

Wuhu Island, if not for the gaps in the volcano and bridge transitions. I really like that stage.

 

[Kingbuu]

Pokemon Stadium 2 and Kalos Pokemon league if not for the transformations.

 

[Champ Gold]

Wily Castle and Pyroshepere would be easily without their stage bosses.

Pokemon Stadium 2 would be if the Electric and Ice Stages didn't exist

Mushroom Kingdom U might have been a counter pick of it was similar to Delfino Plaza

Kongo Jungle 64 easily without the barrel

Skyloft has a lot BS and camping mechanics of its stages to where it wouldn't be good.

Skyworld if the damaging platforms didn't exist

And lastly WuHu Island

 

[Infinite901]

Skyworld if it wasn't super wonky.

Wily Castle would be my favorite stage ever if the Yellow Devil didn't exist.

Mushroom Kingdom U without hazards would also be really nice, akin to Castle Siege without any walkoffs.

 

[LancerStaff]

Thing is that, for the most part, these stages wouldn't exist if not for the "one thing." Namely Phyrosphere and Willy Castle.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Maybe Palutena's Temple would be legal if it was three or four different stages.

But then everyone would call Sakurai the bias lord giving them 4 or 5 different stages/forms.

 

[Buffoon]

Mushroom Kingdom U: Nabbit, random hazards, and stage transitions

Coliseum: Walk-offs

Gamer: The mum that stalks everyone

Skyworld: Destructible/Unreliable terrain

Windy Hill Zone: Awkward terrain, bumper on left side of stage, and windmill on the right

IMHO, most stages would benefit immensely if there were a hazard/transition toggle.

 

[ChaikaBestGirl]

If Magicant was on Wii U and didn't have Flying Man it could be

Maybe Norfair if it didn't have the lava shenanigans

If find Mii was on Wii U and din't have the weird buff thing and the giant green thing

I still don't see why Pilotwings isn't allowed

 

[Infinite901]

I still don't see why Pilotwings isn't allowed

It's the ridiculous camping positions on the bottom of the pllanes, especially the yellow one. Speaking of which, if it weren't for the bottom levels, Pilotwings would actually be really good too. Pretty much an FD that tilts.

 

[blazegoat]

Yoshi's Island if it was on the Wii U version, as well as Arena Ferox and Prism Tower.
I think Port Town Aero Drive without the Racers could be a counter pick, and possibly Mario Galaxy if it wasn't a walk off

 

[Raijinken]

Basically Terrible with their issues:
Wario Ware without microgames
Mute City without the permafloor
Magicant without Flying Man
Find Mii without the Dark Emperor or Cage
Wily's Castle without Yellow Devil
Luigi's Mansion with fallthrough floors
Mushroom Kingdom U without hazards
Jungle Hijinxs without the back level
Pilotwings without the red plane or the Yellow plane's pontoons, and the cliff impact
Coliseum without walkoffs and smaller
Aero Dive if smaller and without cars
Garden of Hope if smaller and no crab
Skyworld with fallthrough non-breakable surfaces
Gamer without Mom and Caves of Life
Wii Fit Studio without walkoffs


Manageable with their issues:
Stadium 2 without transformations
Ferox with fewer solid walls
Smashville/T&C without the Balloon
Yoshi's Island Brawl without the Shy Guys
Mario Circuit 8 without the ceiling stop
Norfair without the giant lava wave
Skyloft without the cliff impact
Halberd without Main Cannon
Kalos without Steel form

 

[Ryuki of Spiral Rhapsody]

I can appreciate Omega versions of stages, but perhaps for the next installment of Smash we can have something similar but simply a "legal" version of the given stage. As people said, Wily's Castle but without the Yellow Devil is something that without a doubt would be legal.

Omega stages are cool, but I don't think it's necessary to have an abundance of flat stages and an even bigger abundance of stages that could've, would've, should've.

 

[Game&Watcher]

If Tomodatchi Life lacked the top floor, it'd probably be legal.

 

[dav3yb]

I'd like to see Peach's Castle 64 become legal. I've always liked that stage, cause it seems like crazy stuff happens everytime you play on it. The only thing I think preventing it is the shield in the middle of the stage. The barriers on both sides would be fine, I think, but that shield does some wonky things at times.

are you talking about the floating bumper at the top of the stage?

i've got peaches legal for an upcoming event right now, as i don't feel its a bad enough issue to warrant outright banning. it just takes thinking how you smash your opponent off stage into account, seems perfectly fine for a counter-pick

 

[SpottedCerberus]

Flying Man and Yellow Devil ruined two awesome stages.

 

[eviljoeybonkers]

Yellow Devil on Wily Castle.

That could've been a great stage with all the platforms and stuff.

Came here to say exactly this.

 

[dav3yb]

i think wileys, minus yellow devil, would be the top contender for just an all around solid stage. but that fat ******* just has to get in the way.

 

[Game&Watcher]

If Jungle Hijinx was just the right part of the back ground portion, I could see it being legal.

 

[Foxus]

Most of the stages that are quote-unquote illegal could be legal simply by removing certain elements.

Removing Ridley for Pyrosphere = Legal
Removing Yellow Giant form Wily's Castle = Legal
Removing the racers from the new Mario Kart stage = Legal
Removing the cars from Onett = Legal

The legality of the competitive side could apply to pretty much every stage by removing one element.

 

[Game&Watcher]

Most of the stages that are quote-unquote illegal could be legal simply by removing certain elements.

Removing Ridley for Pyrosphere = Legal
Removing Yellow Giant form Wily's Castle = Legal
Removing the racers from the new Mario Kart stage = Legal
Removing the cars from Onett = Legal

The legality of the competitive side could apply to pretty much every stage by removing one element.

For Onett, I'm sure that removing the cars alone would make it legal, especially due to its irregular layout and permanent walk-offs.
As for Pyrosphere, just removing Ridley would make it a counterpick at best.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Are walk offs still an abomination that competitive players won't touch despite chain grabbing not being a thing anymore?

 

[Game&Watcher]

Are walk offs still an abomination that competitive players won't touch despite chain grabbing not being a thing anymore?

I personally don't mind them. However, certain stages that have permanent walk-offs are still banned in bigger tournaments.

 

[John12346]

Permanent walk-offs are still really bad because players still have full agency to attempt blastzone camping for extraordinarily low damage kills. Regardless of how effective it is or is not, it's definitely degenerate to gameplay, for sure. Not a good idea...

Anyway here's my list:

Kongo Jungle 64: If the barrel at the bottom was removed.
Pyrosphere: If Ridley was removed.
Norfair: If all damaging lava hazards were removed.
Kalos Pokémon League: If the transformations were removed.
Pokémon Stadium 2: If the transformations were removed.
Coliseum: If the walk-offs were removed.
Skyworld: If the bottom and side platforms were not destructible.
Wily Castle: If Yellow Devil was removed.
Suzaku Castle: If the walk-off was removed.

There are a few others that have potential, but they'd require two or more changes to be made acceptable so no dice there...

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Makes me wonder if in the next Smash iteration they'll make off-screen grabbing impossible. I mean it's not much fun in casual play that's for sure.

 

[BurstPanther]

Windy Kill Zone is great, i love that stage and wish it was legal, only thing i would change about it is bigger blast zones as the roof zone is sooooooooo low

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Wily Castle and Pyrosphere would've worked well if it weren't for the presence of Yellow Devil and Ridley. You'd have to play on the Omega Form stages, or play 8-Player Smash, to avoid encountering them.

 

[FairyLip]

Wily's Castle already had the daytime/nighttime difference between versions, and they could've included that in both versions, or even just the Wii U one.

 

[Venom | Infinity]

I think that the stage "Wario Ware" would be a secondary stage if it weren't for the minigames.

 

[FairyLip]

I think that the stage "Wario Ware" would be a secondary stage if it weren't for the minigames.

Yeah. The worst part is that it is a option in the 3DS version, when you unlock Wario. Oh Sakurai.

 

[Venom | Infinity]

Yes, agreed. Better nerf greninja.

 

[DeStRuCtO]

pyro sphere if no ridley and stage hazards the stage is well made and the stage is like final destination except with 4
platforms