What is the worst 2v2 team?

[3mmanu3lrc]

And so KoRoBeNiKi has spoken.

Kirby: Gimp potential but slightly worse than Kirby

You probably meant Pikachu there, But I agree with the 98% of that, with this:

Ness and Jigglypuff are possibly equally the worst

Being the 2% left, because of Jigglypuff being slightly better than Ness imo.

 

[King Funk]

Puff is not that bad. I need to upload vids of Craig ****** everyone with Puff in teams. xDDDDDD

 

[NixxxoN]

Puff is not that bad. I need to upload vids of Craig ****** everyone with Puff in teams. xDDDDDD

I wanna see it. But I dont think it will prove much honestly

Also, I agree that Mario is top tier in teams

 

[The Star King]

"saving" is a bit of a bold move anyways imo thats pretty situational. In most teams situation there will be at least 1 active foe who could punish the both of yous if you jump off the stage to "save" someone

I disagree completely. In my experience, people usually fail at edgeguarding you when you go to save somebody. I guess it's hard to focus on edgeguarding two people at once or something.

Also, PUFF IS NOT THAT BAD IN TEAMS. She gets a super-strong kill move/the best combo finisher in the game that is much harder to punish in teams if your partner isn't slacking. Her edgeguarding/gimping is pretty good, she is REALLY good at saving your partner, her utilt/fthrow setup for easy team combos. Her main issue in singles is approach, which teams solve since you can find more opportunities to approach in the chaos.

WTF @ Koro putting Ness and Puff below Link, LOL.

 

[asianaussie]

Ok, everyone is good at gimping tbh, so how is Jiggs' gimping good? Most of the cast is better than her at it, because N-Air and smashes are hella predictable, and anything else is broken by basically everything...if she goes off edge and expends even one puff-up, she can be edgeguarded with impunity.

Aside from that, I agreed with those points in advance (I swear I posted basically that earlier).

 

[King Funk]

I disagree completely. In my experience, people usually fail at edgeguarding you when you go to save somebody. I guess it's hard to focus on edgeguarding two people at once or something.

Also, PUFF IS NOT THAT BAD IN TEAMS. She gets a super-strong kill move/the best combo finisher in the game that is much harder to punish in teams if your partner isn't slacking. Her edgeguarding/gimping is pretty good, she is REALLY good at saving your partner, her utilt/fthrow setup for easy team combos. Her main issue in singles is approach, which teams solve since you can find more opportunities to approach in the chaos.

WTF @ Koro putting Ness and Puff below Link, LOL.

I totally agree. First of all, "saving" does not necessarily mean going offstage and assisting your partner in recovering (Puff pound). It can also (and usually) be about annoying your two opponents as much as possible in order to prevent them from edgeguarding your team mate. By doing that you make your opponents focus the attention on you and less on your partner. And this is how you "save" fragile characters like Falcon and Fox from being mediocre at teams. With proper team support, those two characters are amazing.

Example: whenever I team with a german player called Mad-Fighter (fantastic at 1v2 but little to no teamplay) I lose my stocks a lot faster than when I play with players like Craiigg or Mahie (who are much more helpful team mates).

Puff is also another one of those characters that is easily good in teams if well assisted.

And whenever she does a rest, you don't ALWAYS need to jab her. From my experience teaming with Puff as Falcon. I usually find myself doing many different attacks to get her out of rest, such as jab/dair/dash attack/usmash/etc., depending entirely on the situation, where our opponents are, Puff's %. If you have time, jab is the best option, but sometimes you don't and you'll probably have to be more creative in that aspect.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

if I find jab to be too slow, i either dash attack or short hop f-air (and only hit the first hit)

I also never said Falcon or Fox are bad in teams, I just consider them worse than Pikachu, Kirby, and Mario.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

to koro

what keeps falcon that low in the top teir list?

i thought he would be right up there with pikachu.

 

[King Funk]

Survivability is never a big issue at high level play because good team players know how to minimize their opponents' gimps and kills and maximize their own.

How long you survive mostly depends on the skill of the player (unless you are Link or Ness).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You've just basically argued my statement towards why falcon shouldn't be (and i know it's not very low) that low in the list.

Falcon has wonderful combo setups and is a great gimper, also, he does well as a partner too, his attacks all have nice (broken) hitboxes..however..i see his other points though, falcon is comboed fairly easily and whatnot and fox is probably better by a couple of margins but it's also about chemistry, i think falcon can make alot of good chemistry with most characters (personally falconXfox is terrifying if put into the right hands) so that's another thing to look at.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Every team would be terrifying if put into the right hands, you should think of this as the same way the tier list, players with the same level competing against them.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

to koro

what keeps falcon that low in the top tier list?

i thought he would be right up there with pikachu.

I blame matchups, Falcon has a weakness to Kirby, Mario, and Pikachu. Regardless of reducing each other's gimps, Falcon is very easy to combo and still has a bad recover regardless. If recoveries were that much better in teams, Link wouldn't be nearly as bad.

Yes, Falcon can keep up the pressure, which is why he is as high up as he is, but the other characters are better at the same thing.

also, I do think that Falcon and Fox are possibly equally as good in teams, it does depend on teammates. (like Fox + Link is terrible).

 

[The Star King]

Koro.

Respond to my stuff about Puff.

I really want to know why you think Link is better than Ness and Puff. That's a pretty ****ing bizarre opinion.

 

[Battlecow]

You've just basically argued my statement towards why falcon shouldn't be (and i know it's not very low) that low in the list.

Falcon has wonderful combo setups and is a great gimper, also, he does well as a partner too, his attacks all have nice (broken) hitboxes..however..i see his other points though, falcon is comboed fairly easily and whatnot and fox is probably better by a couple of margins but it's also about chemistry, i think falcon can make alot of good chemistry with most characters (personally falconXfox is terrifying if put into the right hands) so that's another thing to look at.

Just discussed this in the "best" 2v2 team thread. Falcon gets the **** gimped out of him and stuff. Go look it up.

 

[King Funk]

Just discussed this in the "best" 2v2 team thread. Falcon gets the **** gimped out of him and stuff. Go look it up.

That's too weak an argument to stand alone, sorry.

 

[The Star King]

Duh? That's why he said to check it out in the "best team" thread where he talked about it a lot more, he didn't want to say the same stuff again.

 

[King Funk]

Duh? That's why he said to check it out in the "best team" thread where he talked about it a lot more, he didn't want to say the same stuff again.

I know but even in that thread there weren't many valid arguments.

Whatever, I don't want to start another discussion, everyone is entitled to their opinions.