What a coincidence

[SwastikaPyle]

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Most of the Arabs all see an Arab as their prophet...and all of the whites tend to see a white as the son of God?

Fortunately, Jesus chose to reveal himself to a group of illiterate desert dwellers, later recorded more than a hundred years after his death through a few eyewitness accounts.

So we have an Arab god, and a White god, but no big Asian religion to compete with these two. Hindu is high tier but can't quite compete with those two. Sup with that?

I assume it's because the Chinese were a little ahead of the curve back in the day and could already read and write a lot better than their Western counterparts.

I guess the idea of God doesn't work so well if he's not in our own image, eh?

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

The Jews were God's chosen group of people until the coming of Christ when He spread commanded that the gospel be spread all over the world. I never saw Jesus as white. It says in the second of the ten commandments not to make any graven images ie: Pictures, statues, paintings, whatever to phyiscally depict God anyway. And of course if his mother was from Israel, His body is going to look like someone from that area of the world. Very few people seem to pay attention to any of this however <_<;

I realise this is a joke thread. I take my religion stuffs seriously though.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

Actually the second commandment says, "Do not put any gods before me."

And when all of America (and I assume most of Europe) thinks of Jesus, they picture the standard white bearded fellow with his long brown hair, right? That's what I see on every plastic crucifixion inside every church, at least.

 

[Teran]

Okay, this had better be civil.

If this thread degenerates, I will seriously consider outlawing religious themed blogs, which is a shame because the freedom of blogs is what I love most about this place.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

Actually the second commandment says, "Do not put any gods before me."

And when all of America (and I assume most of Europe) thinks of Jesus, they picture the standard white bearded fellow with his long brown hair, right? That's what I see on every plastic crucifixion inside every church, at least.

No that's the first commandment. .______.;

Exodus 20:4-6

Thou shalt not make unto me any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or is in the water under the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the childeren unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Relevent to the arguement parts are in italics.

And yes as in most things, the general population/following are idiots. Also listing every church you have seen as every church there is, is a hyperbole. .__.;

Though..I will accept that in general...this is the norm ;>_>

EDIT: I honestly don't see where this thread is going to go Teran. I don't have much for hope for it really.

Most active intelligent members here are on the non-religious side that I've seen. And on top of that many of the religious posters which are active don't know enough about the subject to actually back their own statements, and yet are often abrasive and overly vocal... basically in the end making fools of themselves and futher putting christianity, the non-religious' usual religion of choice to bash, further in the dust. lol..

 

[§witch]

You haven't done a lot of research on this have you? Mohammed was Arab, it's not the Muslims changing the image of their prophet.

Anyone who knows anything about history knows that Jesus was a Jew and was from the middle east.

You could also do well to look up the word coincidence in some sort of dictionary.

 

[Apollo$]

Inb4 offended but anyway this blog really makes me think, It does say in religious scripture that Muhammad has no image.

Ex Muslim

 

[john!]

Okay, this had better be civil.

If this thread degenerates, I will seriously consider outlawing religious themed blogs, which is a shame because the freedom of blogs is what I love most about this place.

Do it!

Nah but seriously, people will try to find the divine and, because they are searching for something familiar, that is what they will find. They will also try to make their religious teachings conform with the social norms already in place, because it's what they know (or think they know).

People have done this to Jesus. He almost certainly was an actual historical figure, but to portray him as a white, clean-shaven man who thinks Democrats are immoral/Republicans are greedy is probably stretching it a bit.

This is not evidence against the idea of God, it's evidence that people are selfish. Nice try though.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

Actually no you're not. lol

This thread is a blatent mockery of my religion

Ignorant morons the majority of us may be. <_<;

 

[§witch]

Religion is a rationalization of what we cannot yet explain.

 

[Apollo$]

Religion is a rationalization of what we cannot yet explain.

This is how I feel on the subject

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

People who state opinions as fact annoy me to no end.

 

[john!]

People who state opinions as fact annoy me to no end.

They don't bother to rationalize their beliefs, because they believe that their beliefs aren't beliefs.

 

[§witch]

I have to agree with you here:

People who state opinions as fact annoy me to no end.

Wait, what's this here?

This thread is a blatent mockery of my religion

 

[SwastikaPyle]

No that's the first commandment. .______.;

Exodus 20:4-6

Thou shalt not make unto me any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or is in the water under the earth:

That is not the first commandment. The first commandment is 'I am the lord your God.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Division_of_the_commandments_as_listed_in_Exodus_20

Apparently your 2nd commandment depends on which denomination you choose.

You haven't done a lot of research on this have you? Mohammed was Arab, it's not the Muslims changing the image of their prophet.

Anyone who knows anything about history knows that Jesus was a Jew and was from the middle east.

You could also do well to look up the word coincidence in some sort of dictionary.

Of COURSE Jesus was a Jew from the middle east.

I said that inside my post. It's literally the 2nd sentence. "Jesus chose to reveal himself to a group of illiterate desert dwellers"

I was making fun of the fact that, on average, the white people would rather see a white person as their God. You see his pale face everywhere in our culture. I am not arguing about historical facts here, I am arguing that many of us choose only to accept our own race as the one true God.

And how have I used the word coincidence improperly?

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

I have to agree with you here:



Wait, what's this here?

I fail to see the relation.

I always considered that the preface..well whatever. The number it is, is irrelevent. It's the commandment itself that was the main point in that first post of mine.

 

[REL38]

I've personally always seen Jesus as tan or w/e (my point being, not white), because he's Middle Eastern

As it's been said here, people like to associate Jesus with something they can recognize.
For much of the Western world, he's white.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

Let me shed some light on this matter. Let me first mention that I am a Christian.

Abraham, born Abram, was considered the founder of the people of Israel by Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike. There is no debate whether this is correct or not between these religions. The very beginning of religious history, from this point, is up for you to believe or not, as the only evidence of any of the following information comes from various religious books. Quoted from wikipedia - The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." Christians interpret this as a reference to Jesus Christ.

Isaac, one of Abraham's sons, and his decendants were considered Jews. Ishmael, another one of Abraham's sons, and his decendants were considered Arabs. And so begins this split in beliefs.

I believe that this version of history has a lot of flaws, as the Book of Genesis stated that Abraham lived until he was 175 years old, which is much older than the average lifespan then, and even today. I personally believe that this was one of the many lies to found my religion. Yes, Christianity is based on lies (yet so is every other major religion, I won't go into detail about them). There is no denying it, whether it comes to the defacement of Mary Magdalene or that Abraham lived so long. However, the ideas that "Anti-Biblical Theorists" generally rave about are usually metaphorical. I do not believe the lies, actually. I believe in God, I believe that Jesus Christ is our savior, and I believe in many other Christian teachings. Just because the foundation of the religion is rampant with lies does not mean that its overall message and core teachings are lies.

Now, the Muslim God Allah and the Jewish God are the same God. They are not two different Gods, which was a common misconception. The two religions had different prophets, but not different gods. They were branches off the same tree, so to speak.

I'll stop in this here, you can believe what you want to believe. However, I suggest that you read these wikipedia articles to decide which version of history you trust:

Abraham
Noah
Ishmael
Isaac
Patriarchs
Muslim Religion
Jewish Religion

And not to mention that Christianity and Islam have a moral code that was functional nearly 2000 years ago, and is still functional now.

Now, let us focus on your theory that China was more advanced then, and now. This is not necessarily true. Philosophy is another form of religion; they are both ways to think about life.

Let's talk about another controversial idea. I don't understand how science is contrary to religion. If anything I believe that science reinforces religion. How is it even possible that this planet is so abundant with life? Miracle. How is it that we are so advanced? Miracle. How can we have such revolutionary technology that lets us do literally whatever we wanted to do? Miracle!

You may say that these happened due to luck, but the chances of any one of these miracles occurring is a trillion to one.

Thoughts?

 

[jivegamer]

^ what National Geographic thought the historical Jesus might have looked like

 

[SwastikaPyle]

"I personally believe that this was one of the many lies to found our religion, although which I believe in, is premised on many lies. Yet, all it takes is faith."

Hehe, what?

I don't understand.

You basically just admitted 'it's all based on lies,'
but then said immediately afterward, "So I believe them."

What's up with that?

 

[cookieM0Nster]

"I personally believe that this was one of the many lies to found our religion, although which I believe in, is premised on many lies. Yet, all it takes is faith."

Hehe, what?

I don't understand.

You basically just admitted 'it's all based on lies,'
but then said immediately afterward, "So I believe them."

What's up with that?

Not exactly, I should have spent more time talking about that.

Yes, Christianity is based on lies (yet so is every other major religion, I won;t go into detail about them). There is no denying it, whether it comes to the defacement of Mary Magdalene or that Abraham lived so long. However, the ideas that conspiracy theorists generally rave about are usually metaphorical. I do not believe the lies, actually. I believe in God, I believe that Jesus Christ is our savior, and I believe in many other Christian teachings. Just because the foundation of the religion is rampant with lies does not mean that its overall message and core teachings are lies.

It all comes down to faith, whether you have it or not.

And on another issue, I don't understand how science is contrary to religion. If anything I believe that science reinforces religion.