Weekend Tournament 1: Tourney Type Nominations

[ss118]

As the title states, use this thread to post ideas for this week's tournament. It would be nice to have substance in your post, so that when the poll comes out tomorrow people will vote for yours.

Example:

"I would like to nominate that this weekend's tournament type be the Arceus tourney. Standard clauses are in place(other than Species), but the only pokemon allowed is, of course, Arceus. Extended Clause will also have to be in place.

This would be interesting because it will be impossible to prepare for 100%, but there are certain sets and types that will likely stand out more than others. It would force players to predict common sets and to create sets that would aid them in helping to keep those in check, as well as making sets that help to further a player's goal, whether that be Heavy Offense with a bunch of SDers or stalling by spamming toxic will a bunch of rest talkers. And balance teams also can be used with a combination of the two."

You get the picture. Anyway, let's get this going!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I would like an RNG'd Tourney where each round each participant's team is randomly generated through an RNG.
This allows that no player knows what they'll be working with at all times, and have to read up on Pokemon they have never used before. At the same time the fact that the opponent's team is also RNG'd keeps both players guessing.

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

The biggest issue is that requires people to make teams on the spot for every round, while what we want to do is let people have a time period(3-5 days) to make teams so that the weekend tournament can be finished within the day.

And when I say "within the day", I mean everyone is online so that matches can be done asap and new rounds will start. If you've ever done a smogon tour you know what I mean.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

The biggest issue is that requires people to make teams on the spot for every round, while what we want to do is let people have a time period(3-5 days) to make teams so that the weekend tournament can be finished within the day.

Or then have the RNG'd team be the set team for the tourney.

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

Or then have the RNG'd team be the set team for the tourney.

-Terywj

The problem with that is the tournament suddenly becomes a lot more luck-based than reliant on your team-building skills. The only true way for you to win with minimal luck is to change your team around after each round begins to possibly counter your opponent's team. And at that point, you might as well just keep making new teams.

I propose an OUbers tournament.

Original concept here:
http://forums.officialnintendomagaz...=2293947&sid=f6217d9edcfd907b3c80176c9d6ac507

Basically, you make a team of 5 OU Pokemon and 1 Ubers Pokemon. The inclusion of the lone Uber into OU (or the forced inclusion of many OU Pokemon into Ubers) allows for a completely different metagame, as you now have to deal with a good portion of OU, all of Ubers, and the random assortments of Pokemon that now become entirely viable with the inclusion of even the single Ubers Pokemon (such as the weather abusers). The fact that this is basically an entirely uncharted metagame means everyone will be on the same playing field, and each game will be all the more interesting.

There's mine. Again.

 

[Fuelbi]

I would like an RNG'd Tourney where each round each participant's team is randomly generated through an RNG.
This allows that no player knows what they'll be working with at all times, and have to read up on Pokemon they have never used before. At the same time the fact that the opponent's team is also RNG'd keeps both players guessing.

-Terywj

I want this

 

[Wave⁂]

Proposal: Random Tournament

Each entrant is given 6-7 randomly chosen Pokémon and must create a team with them.

 

[ss118]

I have an idea.

For people who want the random tournament, we have two choices:

1) Random Clause, Extended Clause, Freeze Clause, Level Balance, and Sleep Clause only. No *****ing about hax. This way we get a new team each round, but in this case the player gets no say in what pokemon they use.

2) I use a RNG to pick ~30 pokemon: anyone can use any pokemon out of that ~30. This way everyone gets random pokemon and it relies more on skill without causing too much hassle, but if we get a bad pool of pokemon the metagame it creates might be incredibly stale....

 

[kirbyraeg]

choice 1 seems like a winner if we can do it smogon-tour style.

 

[Gates]

I second OUbers but I'll play whatever.

 

[Charmander]

I nominate crystal cup
pokemon #s 1-251
Only moves available during gen 2
you are allowed 1 uber pokemon, the rest can be whatever (as long as they fit the bolded terms)

 

[Gates]

Can we set EVs in Crystal Cup?

 

[ss118]

I would like to nominate the Second+Fourth Gen Congregation as our first Weekend Tourney type.

Standard Rules
Evasion, Extended, Freeze, OHKO, Sleep, and Soul Dew Clause must be in play.

None of following pokemon are allowed:
Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys[-A/D/S]
Dialga
Garchomp
Giratina[-O]
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Kyogre
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Shaymin-S
Wobbuffet
Wynaut
​

Extra Rule

Maximum amount of EVs in HP: 248.
Maximum amount of EVs in any other stat: 52
Only NEUTRAL natures allowed.

​

​

Who else thinks 2nd gen was the best? Who likes the more offensive options available to 4th gen? What if we mix them together! That's what this tourney is about.

This, in my opinion, does a number of things that makes the game more interesting. We have removed what has probably been one of the more intricate parts of team-building: EV spreads. Now building a team is as simple as picking the pokemon, giving it an item, and giving it four moves. This was exactly as GSC was, and what we try to replicate. Of course, we have the physical/ special split, Choice items, Life Orb, abilities, and MANY new pokemon, so don't think your usual team of Skarm/Blissey/Snorlax will save you here.

Speaking of things being removed, now you don't have to second-guess yourself as to if that Lucario is running a +Speed nature or regular Nature to beat your Jolly Mamoswine: everything is stuck with a very specific speed stat. Salamence will always beat Roserade, Scizor always beats Tyranitar, and Swampert always beats Blissey. No more guessing: you know that Zapdos will always beat your Gyarados, so no more tricky Jolly nature with a LO to KO it!

In terms of attacking, you would see that using the stats from GSC compared to the ones given by the 248/52/52/52/52/52, there is very little difference in damage done. Like, 2 damage differences. It's almost playing GSC in DPPHGSS!

Of course, there are now many new ways to break stall that wasn't available, such as Life Orb and the new choice items. The physical/special split didn't help it either: it doesn't mean that stall is out, though! With more entry hazards than ever, not to mention a plethora of mixed walls, stall hasn't been more fun!

How is this insanely different from DP? Do the set stats make THAT much of a difference to how we play?
-Actually, it DOES make a difference! Everything is, in a way, maxed out. For example, Skarmory retains his usual physical defensive prowess while also gaining boosts in terms of speed(especially when you consider 70 is pretty good when it now beats Tyranitar 100% of the time[without scarf]), Sp. defense, and attacking power. While Infernape keeps his usual high-paced speed and attacking stats, he has a lot more staying power than he ever did. Pokemon such as Snorlax, who's biggest issue was a lack of way to invest with EVs and do as much as he did, now is back to his former glory as a pokemon-slaughtering Special tank. If you don't believe me, try it out with a friend and see for yourself!

Standard: Max Atk Lucario hitting Max +def Nature Bronzong with LO Close Combat.
350 Atk vs 364 Def & 338 HP (120 Base Power): 160 - 190 (47.34% - 56.21%)

Tournament: 52 Atk Lucario hitting 248 HP, 52 Defense Bronzong with LO Close Combat.
269 Atk vs 281 Def & 337 HP (120 Base Power): 160 - 190 (47.48% - 56.38%)

So you can tell that both offensive and defensive stats are maxed out in this manner(offense does a bit better because of the one lost HP but meh) as compared to the regular metagame. Now that we've seen the Offense play offensively and the defense play defensively, let's see the reverse: Tyranitar getting hit by it's "counter", Swampert.

Standard: neutral Nature Swampert(no EVs) hitting 4 Hp Tyranitar with Earthquake.
256 Atk vs 256 Def & 342 HP (100 Base Power): 218 - 258 (63.74% - 75.44%)

Tournament: 52 Atk Swampert hitting 248 HP, 52 Defense Tyranitar with Earthquake.
269 Atk vs 269 Def & 403 HP (100 Base Power): 218 - 258 (54.09% - 64.02%)

As you can tell the same amount of damage is done, but the amount of % stripped off of Tyranitar is considerably less because of the HP increase. Damage fluctuates depending on how a pokemon is used in the standard metagame: if they are used for attacking they have the same attacking power, if they are used for defensing they take the same damage when maxed in standard as they do with these rules.

Now that you've seen offense vs defense and defense vs offense, how about some offense vs offense: CB Scizor hitting Salamence with Bullet Punch(no intimidate).

Standard: Max Attack Scizor hitting 4 defense Salamence with CB Tech Bullet Punch
591 Atk vs 197 Def & 331 HP (60 Base Power): 195 - 229 (58.91% - 69.18%)

Tournament: 52 Attack Scizor hitting 248 HP, 52 Defense Salamence with CB Tech Bullet Punch
463 Atk vs 209 Def & 393 HP (60 Base Power): 144 - 169 (36.64% - 43.00%)

The good news is that it nerfs the power of offensive teams versus..... well, itself. You have to out-play your opponent consistently instead of forcing through a single opening: long term-thinking for a short match, basically. Now let's take a look at defense vs defense, where something like Skarmory roosting and getting EQed by Swampert.

Standard: Neutral Nature Swampert(no EVs) hitting Max +Defense Skarmory with EQ.
256 Atk vs 416 Def & 334 HP (100 Base Power): 134 - 158 (40.12% - 47.31%)

Tournament: 52 Attack Swampert hitting 248 HP, 52 Defense Skarmory with EQ.
269 Atk vs 329 Def & 333 HP (100 Base Power): 176 - 210 (52.85% - 63.06%)

And what if they don't roost? Let's try Hydro Pump:

Standard: Neutral Nature Swampert(no EVs) hitting Max +Defense Skarmory with Hydro Pump.
206 Atk vs 176 Def & 334 HP (120 Base Power): 151 - 178 (45.21% - 53.29%)

Tournament: 52 Sp. Attack Swampert hitting 248 HP, 52 Sp. Defense Skarmory with Hydro Pump
219 Atk vs 189 Def & 333 HP (120 Base Power): 150 - 177 (45.05% - 53.15%)

Vote 2+4: the best way to come up with 6!

 

[Charmander]

Can we set EVs in Crystal Cup?

yes, only the type of pokemon and its moveset are restricted by the crystal cup

so yes, they can

 

[Circa]

Giant wall of awesome text.

I ****ing approve.

 

[0RLY]

I like random. :D It's the weekend now, can something happen soon?

 

[CRASHiC]

xDDD We did it last night 0Rly.
Check out the new subforum Battle Tower.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Also, this is no longer the thread to check for types and times. The thread is in the Battle Tower.