we should keep the talk of new techniques to a minimum

[Gonadsonfire]

I have seen how people here are analyzing this game demo like crazy, looking to see which techniques are gone, and what new techniques they can discover, and I think this truly isn't going to end up benefiting them.

My reasoning for this is that the majority of advanced techniques are glitches and exploits of the game mechanics. and with the amount of work that Sakurai and his team is putting into this game, they will want to eliminate as many glitches as physically possible before release. and what better way to do this than to release a playable demo of brawl a good 3 months before release.

the hardcore smash players who play the demo will find these techniques, and they will get posted up onto popular smash bros forums, with details of how to do them. All that has to be done to get rid of them is for one of the people who is making brawl to document all of these found glitches, find out why they work, and fix the ones they frown upon within the 3 month period they currently have.

So, if you are someone who wants these advanced techniques to be safe, it would be in your best interest to keep as quiet as possible about them until brawl is released, because with all the new found techniques documented and placed in a sticky, don't be too shocked if you're unable to do an ink drop in the final release.

 

[Red Exodus]

The game has been delayed and we are hungry for any new info. I don't think this will stop anytime soon.

 

[Tobi-]

the hardcore smash players who play the demo will find these techniques, and they will get posted up onto popular smash bros forums, with details of how to do them. All that has to be done to get rid of them is for one of the people who is making brawl to document all of these found glitches, find out why they work, and fix the ones they frown upon within the 3 month period they currently have.

I highly doubt they will remove any of the advance techniques, unless it happens to cause cheapness, unbalance. He could actually like these moves. There'd be no point to minimize techniques if they aren't disturbing the gameplay.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Sakurai doesn't come to Smashboards.

 

[Gonadsonfire]

I highly doubt they will remove any of the advance techniques, unless it happens to cause cheapness, unbalance. He could actually like these moves. There'd be no point to minimize techniques if they aren't disturbing the gameplay.

Yea, I agree with you.the dash break technique looks smooth enough to actually have been put in on purpose, but the ink drop seems to be the kind of glitch they would either want to remove or edit to make it work better.

also, the people who are making the game were avid players of melee, so all we know they could be sneaking in some cool new advanced techniques that fit the gameplay better than the melee ones did.

 

[Gonadsonfire]

Sakurai doesn't come to Smashboards.

Sakurai doesn't come here, but since this is supposedly the largest smash brothers forum in the world, they aren't going to just overlook it.

edit: whoops, double posted. srry

 

[Zeela12]

We are Americans, No one gives a crap about us.

 

[Zek]

I was about to come in to agree with you, but then I read your post. Jesus.

I think we should stop talking about new techniques because the game is not out yet and the amount of information we have on them is pathetically small. We don't even know what will be in the final release, so what's the point in arguing about what to call them and all that now?

 

[Gonadsonfire]

I was about to come in to agree with you, but then I read your post. Jesus.

I think we should stop talking about new techniques because the game is not out yet and the amount of information we have on them is pathetically small. We don't even know what will be in the final release, so what's the point in arguing about what to call them and all that now?

What? I wasn't saying we should stop talking about them because it is too early to know what to call them, I was saying we should stop talking about them because it could alert Sakurai's team of their existence and they could remove them.

 

[Zauron]

Yea, I agree with you.the dash break technique looks smooth enough to actually have been put in on purpose, but the ink drop seems to be the kind of glitch they would either want to remove or edit to make it work better.

also, the people who are making the game were avid players of melee, so all we know they could be sneaking in some cool new advanced techniques that fit the gameplay better than the melee ones did.

Actually the Dash Brake was seen in a trailer made by Nintendo themselves. So its highly unlikely its an exploit, or they wouldn't have let it show up in an official trailer.

Here's the clip of it. It was taken from the trailer showing off the Supspace Emissary mode:

Also the base Trip move was seen in that same trailer as well as done by CPU characters, and has a unique animation. Obviously its intended and not an exploit. If it actually can be cancelled, then that may be an exploit, and in that case, it may be removed if word gets up to a dev that it can be cancelled if it wasn't supposed to be.

 

[LavisFiend]

Conspiracy theories are for the buzzards...

 

[Kamaka]

What? I wasn't saying we should stop talking about them because it is too early to know what to call them, I was saying we should stop talking about them because it could alert Sakurai's team of their existence and they could remove them.

and he was saying he didn't agree with you

 

[The Hypnotist]

You know I've thought what the TC is saying and it's possible. If they were reading this I would tell them that trying to soften the blow by removing wavedashing is dumb, and its just going to make me crush the newbs harder and its not fair to take the fun out of the game for newbs. Anyways, I think we need new stuff to talk about and it's impossible for Nintendo to take all the advanced stuff out of the game. The joke is really on Nintendo for making DI even more important. Can't wait to hear newbs online saying...

How is this cheater living past the 200's!!!

DI is cheating!!!

 

[LavisFiend]

You know I've thought what the TC is saying and it's possible. If they were reading this I would tell them that trying to soften the blow by removing wavedashing is dumb, and its just going to make me crush the newbs harder and its not fair to take the fun out of the game for newbs. Anyways, I think we need new stuff to talk about and it's impossible for Nintendo to take all the advanced stuff out of the game. The joke is really on Nintendo for making DI even more important. Can't wait to hear newbs online saying...

How is this cheater living past the 200's!!!

DI is cheating!!!

Excepy DI is absolutely not a glitch, nor is it an exploit. XD

It is just simple parallel pressure of two joysticks.

XDD It will happen though, you are right.

 

[.Yoshi]

DI was on the Japanese Melee website.....it was officially recognized.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Of course DI is not a glitch, but newbs won't be able to DI properly so we'll have a huge advantage. I can already see it now.

My main in melee is Peach now, and she's supposedly good now. She's heavier, plus she has better DI and her recovery is god. And her bair is better... I smell float canceled fairs, nairs and bairs. Seriously, I'm mad at Nintendo. It seems like they are trying to remove the metagame, they should have left wavedashing aone, they are disrespecting us. So just to piss them off I will be owning some newbs so hard, it won't even be a game for them. And I don't need anything but spacing, mindgames and DI to do it. Hopefully nintendo will drop the bomb somewhere in our favor.

 

[LavisFiend]

Of course DI is not a glitch, but newbs won't be able to DI properly so we'll have a huge advantage. I can already see it now.

My main in melee is Peach now, and she's supposedly good now. She's heavier, plus she has better DI and her recovery is god. And her bair is better... I smell float canceled fairs, nairs and bairs. Seriously, I'm mad at Nintendo. It seems like they are trying to remove the metagame, they should have left wavedashing aone, they are disrespecting us. So just to piss them off I will be owning some newbs so hard, it won't even be a game for them. And I don't need anything but spacing, mindgames and DI to do it. Hopefully nintendo will drop the bomb somewhere in our favor.

Disrespecting you?

Fool please.

You are the one griping about a move. XD

 

[Red Exodus]

Lol Hypnotist, oddly enough my main, Mario, got a little better too seeing as he can still combo out of grabs and chainthrow while others lost this ability.

I'll be there owning newbs on their terms just to rub it in. Nothing beats owning newbs with no johns to save them.

 

[Zek]

What? I wasn't saying we should stop talking about them because it is too early to know what to call them, I was saying we should stop talking about them because it could alert Sakurai's team of their existence and they could remove them.

And I'm saying that's stupid, but there's still a perfectly good reason we should stop talking about it anyway.

 

[LavisFiend]

Lol Hypnotist, oddly enough my main, Mario, got a little better too seeing as he can still combo out of grabs and chainthrow while others lost this ability.

I'll be there owning newbs on their terms just to rub it in. Nothing beats owning newbs with no johns to save them.

They always have the "I wasn't really trying" john.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Disrespecting you?

Fool please.

You are the one griping about a move. XD

Kind of a rant but here goes anyways...

They removed something that they knew we loved, them removing wavedashing didn't accomplish anything. They don't want the game to be seriously competitive and they seriously think we, the .08% of the smash audience will make an impact online. Seriously, not cool. I was going to be nice and respect the newbs. But no, because your trying to make the game less pleasing for me I'm going online to destroy newbs. (Yeah I know I'm venting but I'm really upset about this) Seriously those newbs are going to get Chain Throwed, Comboed, it's not even going to be a game. I'm going to teach Nintendo a lesson, not to take away our **** because we're better then the casuals (at the game) and that's something they (Nintendo) just has to accept. Seriously! Trying to make the game eaiser... Auto sweet spot ledge, easier to catch items, characters only playable with items, no wavedashing, possibly no L-Canceling. You guys can't catch everything! You guys won't catch the wobble!

 

[Xengri]

Wow.....

Yes cause pwning noobs that already bought the game is a serious smack to the face for Nintendo.

Nice logic there.

I'm all up for no mercy, but declaring that noobs shall fell thy wrath just cause Nintendo pissed you off and you want to get back at them?

Conceded much....

 

[Red Exodus]

If ICs still have the freeze glitch online is going to be ****.

Owning newbs is fun, if only we have headsets to hear their screams...

 

[LavisFiend]

Kind of a rant but here goes anyways...

They removed something that they knew we loved, them removing wavedashing didn't accomplish anything. They don't want the game to be seriously competitive and they seriously think we, the .08% of the smash audience will make an impact online. Seriously, not cool. I was going to be nice and respect the newbs. But no, because your trying to make the game less pleasing for me I'm going online to destroy newbs. (Yeah I know I'm venting but I'm really upset about this) Seriously those newbs are going to get Chain Throwed, Comboed, it's not even going to be a game. I'm going to teach Nintendo a lesson, not to take away our **** because we're better then the casuals (at the game) and that's something they (Nintendo) just has to accept. Seriously! Trying to make the game eaiser... Auto sweet spot ledge, easier to catch items, characters only playable with items, no wavedashing, possibly no L-Canceling. You guys can't catch everything! You guys won't catch the wobble!

Again....

Who is disrespecting who?

Sakurai didn't have to make Brawl you know, you get what you get....

Also, he most likely removed it because it was a very ugly animation, and he didn't see fit for it to stay.

Get over it, and move on.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Wow.....

Yes cause pwning noobs that already bought the game is a serious smack to the face for Nintendo.

Nice logic there.

I'm all up for no mercy, but declaring that noobs shall fell thy wrath just cause Nintendo pissed you off and you want to get back at them?

Conceded much....

Not really (and remember I'm not normally like this, its just late and I'm in a b!tchy mood)

Nintendo will learn when they make Smash DS2 or Brawl 2 or whatever not to mess with us. That is if they are reading this. If they were reading this they'd know why the newbs got it bad. The newbs are the reason we don't have the wavedashing, and they are going to pay for it.

I can't wait until I own newbs online so hard that they complain to Nintendo. " We need a ranking system because it's not fun for us." Nintendo's response will be "No, we can't acknowledge the fact that anyone is any better than anyone in the game"

Nintendo, you have to help us or hurt them, the choice is yours!

And I mean wobbling not the freeze glitch which I see being in considering desynching was confirmed and grabs aren't much different. I highly doubt Nintendo even knows what Wobbling is.

 

[Zauron]

Yeah, being a jerk is definitely the way to get Nintendo to cater to you next time. That's some great logic there pal.

 

[The Hypnotist]

You know it...

They have to help us or hurt them. Think logically, if the newbs complain about us online, Nintendo will hear 1000s of complatints, or implement a ranking system (which we want). Seriously why can't Nintendo seriously acknowledge gaming talent.

 

[LavisFiend]

You know it...

They have to help us or hurt them. Think logically, if the newbs complain about us online, Nintendo will hear 1000s of complatints, or implement a ranking system (which we want). Seriously why can't Nintendo seriously acknowledge gaming talent.

because it is not about who is BEST, but about having FUN...

Seriously dude... get over yourself...

With a ranking ladder comes the hoardes of noobs who will try their ****dest to "maintain" their precious e-rank....

and floods of disconnects and hacking attempts will follow to score the highest rank...

 

[Red Exodus]

"Silly Hypnotist! Games are for casuals!"

~I am whoever the head of Nintendo is and I approve this message.

Watch and see, Brawls name will change to Super Smash Bros WiiBrawl.

 

[Xengri]

Not really (and remember I'm not normally like this, its just late and I'm in a b!tchy mood)

Nintendo will learn when they make Smash DS2 or Brawl 2 or whatever not to mess with us. That is if they are reading this. If they were reading this they'd know why the newbs got it bad. The newbs are the reason we don't have the wavedashing, and they are going to pay for it.

I can't wait until I own newbs online so hard that they complain to Nintendo. " We need a ranking system because it's not fun for us." Nintendo's response will be "No, we can't acknowledge the fact that anyone is any better than anyone in the game"

Nintendo, you have to help us or hurt them, the choice is yours!

And I mean wobbling not the freeze glitch which I see being in considering desynching was confirmed and grabs aren't much different. I highly doubt Nintendo even knows what Wobbling is.

Well even though I still find your post egotistical and conceded, I'll let it go since you said you were in a bad mood. We all have those days.

If you want to vent on poor nubs go for it. I never held back on any fight anyway, so I'll be punishing the noobs too. Even if they took all the techs away from me (making the game alot less fun...) I'll still beat them.

To be on topic :

That whole keep the techs on the down low thing is ridiculous. I came to terms on why they took away wavedash since there was some controversy around it. As for L-cancel and auto ledge sweet spot, while that's just less reflects work.

I can't see why Nintendo would purposely go out of there way to record data from these boards ( I just lol'ed at that. These boards for info? Good luck with all the new members and their spam). Trust me, if it's all ready in, unless it's a huge oversight on Nintendo's part, it's going to stay in. Our two must noticeable new techs (dash brake and trip cancel) were both revealed to us on the Dojo, so they know it's there ( well trip is there, but the cancel is no big deal). Besides if Nintendo were to look at the internetz for info, it would be a japanese site don't you think?

 

[The Hypnotist]

Nintendo is evil! Hahaha but seriously. A Ranking system can work, nintendo just doesn't want to seriously acknowledge gaming talent, and it's annoying. I'm just happy because if Nintendo is reading this, when the newbs get pwned and they don't put in a ranking system there's really nothing Nintendo can do and I'll be laughing (again I'm in a kinda bad mood but I mean this so an extent)

Nintendo wants everyone to be equal and it's very annoying and unrealistic, seriously wtf?

As far as DCers Nintendo could actually find a solution like punishment for excessive disconection but no...

Seriously I'll be making some people disconnect and I'll be laughing about it.

Sweet spoting
No L-Canceling
No wavedashing
Easy to catch items
ZZS only with item

They want it to be only for casuals, they know all of these things make use mad, espically 2, 3 and 5.

 

[CHUK]

Conspiracy theories are for the buzzards...

QFT, let the game be what it is. The MAN isn't watching you lol.

 

[Tobi-]

Nintendo is evil! Hahaha but seriously. A Ranking system can work, nintendo just doesn't want to seriously acknowledge gaming talent, and it's annoying. I'm just happy because if Nintendo is reading this, when the newbs get pwned and they don't put in a ranking system there's really nothing Nintendo can do and I'll be laughing (again I'm in a kinda bad mood but I mean this so an extent)

Nintendo wants everyone to be equal and it's very annoying and unrealistic, seriously wtf?

As far as DCers Nintendo could actually find a solution like punishment for excessive disconection but no...

Seriously I'll be making some people disconnect and I'll be laughing about it.

Sweet spoting
No L-Canceling
No wavedashing
Easy to catch items
ZZS only with item

They want it to be only for casuals, they know all of these things make use mad, espically 2, 3 and 5.

You're sounding a tad elitist. I do agree with you though, I want a ranking/name system for anonymous wi-fi play. I mean there's no point in having a reputation as a good smasher because nobody is going to know who you are online anyway. I can see how Nintendo wants it to be mained for casual players though. Nintendo feels if casual players get on wi-fi, they will have hatred toward the game because of the people who spend hours at end perfecting just to beat all. Then again I can't make any assumptions as facts because I don't even know if all the advance tech's such as wavedashing and l canceling are gone, or even substituted.

Not bashing or getting angry at anything yet, except noobs who think they are good at smash bros because they can beat a CPU on lvl 9.(cough gamefaq).

 

[The Hypnotist]

I'm not an elitist, there's nothing wrong with playing casual. I play better then them though, I have more skill. The problem is Nintendo ostritcsing (**** I hate that word) us and they don't have a good reason not to have a ranking system. At least the joke is on them, it's a lose lose situation because it's inevitable that newbs will get owned. It's not fair for casuals to complain about good players, we're about .08% of the community, plus they have their crappy FCs.

 

[Mama]

Incorrect the majority of advanced techniques are not glitches. The only thing that can even be considered a glitch would be wave dashing and the reason that was removed was due to the change in the physics engine and not simply to remove an advantage to competitive play (I'm sorry dead horse forgive me)...

Advanced play is not something boosted by techniques. Advanced play is boosted by player skill. When someone is skilled they learn how to do things more efficiently. Shffling for example. Learn what you're talking about before you go and make claims. Just because the advanced techniques may seem above your head doesn't mean Sakurai would remove them in an attempt to even the playing field between advanced players and the rest.

There will always be advanced tehcniques whether they be new or old. For the most part the advanced techniques have carried over to Brawl. Thinking that Sakurai is trying to remove advanced techniques to eliminate competitive play is a scrub's pipe dream that simply isn't happening

 

[Mama]

Nintendo is evil! Hahaha but seriously. A Ranking system can work, nintendo just doesn't want to seriously acknowledge gaming talent, and it's annoying. I'm just happy because if Nintendo is reading this, when the newbs get pwned and they don't put in a ranking system there's really nothing Nintendo can do and I'll be laughing (again I'm in a kinda bad mood but I mean this so an extent)

Nintendo wants everyone to be equal and it's very annoying and unrealistic, seriously wtf?

As far as DCers Nintendo could actually find a solution like punishment for excessive disconection but no...

Seriously I'll be making some people disconnect and I'll be laughing about it.

Sweet spoting
No L-Canceling
No wavedashing
Easy to catch items
ZZS only with item

They want it to be only for casuals, they know all of these things make use mad, espically 2, 3 and 5.

You sound a tad fail seriously lol. Casey was right >.> You need to learn how to ...erm...think? I dunno but you're not to bright if you honestly believe that. Easy catch items helps the casuals yes. But something they aren't likely to utilize is the ability to catch an item and do an aerial at the exact same time (which you can now do) that qualifies as advanced play bud. You think that they're trying to make the game less competitive. I think you've got a case of the scrub mind going on.

 

[dtams]

I highly doubt they will remove any of the advance techniques, unless it happens to cause cheapness, unbalance. He could actually like these moves. There'd be no point to minimize techniques if they aren't disturbing the gameplay.

I think that in E-4-all they were watching the veteran players and seeing how easy or difficult they pulled off the moves. So it could be possible that by going to E-4-all and trying to do all of the AT's you may have inadvertantly caused the developers to take them out or make them irrelevent all together, interesting...

 

[Mama]

I think that in E-4-all they were watching the veteran players and seeing how easy or difficult they pulled off the moves. So it could be possible that by going to E-4-all and trying to do all of the AT's you may have inadvertantly caused the developers to take them out or make them irrelevent all together, interesting...

Do you even know what advanced techniques are? Do you honestly see them as a magical door that = win all the time? That they're watching out for this witch craft and want to eliminate it from the game? You need to do some research. As I've said before the only thing really eliminated was wave dashing due to a new physics engine. Sakurai did not say "Hm people are getting clever at this game. Lets make it ********." I think you may have forgotten that Brawl was developed by people who played Melee a helluva lot. Advanced play is not magic. Its skill. Respond.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

I'm not an elitist, there's nothing wrong with playing casual. I play better then them though, I have more skill. The problem is Nintendo ostritcsing (**** I hate that word) us and they don't have a good reason not to have a ranking system. At least the joke is on them, it's a lose lose situation because it's inevitable that newbs will get owned. It's not fair for casuals to complain about good players, we're about .08% of the community, plus they have their crappy FCs.

God almighty!!!! You god**** concieted *******! All I've ever read in this entire thread is you acting like the ****ing big man on campus! And then you say you're "going to pwn noobs so hard" or some **** like that because Sakurai didn't cater to you...

GROW A ****ING PAIR AND STOP WHINING LIKE A ****TARD!!! God you piss me off so badly! Every post you make is some ego boost for you about how god****ed good you are and about how everyone else sucks and blah blah blah! Hell, at least a good 90% of the adv. players on here aren't as god****ed egomaniacal as you are!

Rant done.

 

[Havokbringer]

But I like magic........lolz listen mama everybody , he knows what he is talking about and if you all like smash then definetly trust nintendo and let them do thier thing first and when the game comes out then you can complain all you want while everybody else realizes thats stupid and moves on to get better than you.Respond. (:D)