Waveshine Jab reset help?

[ethan1341]

1.This may just be a waste of a post. Ive been trying to do the thunder combo. Does any1 have any tips. I either wave dash too slow, my jab does not come out, or whenever shine i jump(instead of wave dashing I guess im hitting jump to fast). I was wondering if people could tell me if they let their control stick reset to the center or just drag the control stick to wavedash.


2.I tried to find the thread sometimes when i wavedash backwards(try to) my fox just turns around in his shine. HALP!

3.Is there a thread on how to ledge tech off the ledge on final D without using a jump? Many time ive shined Then up+b to the ledge and teched off it automatically?

 

[TresChikon]

1.
For waveshining:
- You're pressing R/L too quickly, you have to wait 4 frames before you air dodge

As for landing the jab, pay attention to the:
- Time it takes you to JC the shine
- The angle of your control stick, it should be nearly horizontal
- Possibility off walking a bit before jabbing

For the method of waveshining, there's a few things to consider:
- "Dragging" the control stick from shine to wavedash is easier to pick up
- However, in doing so, will make waveshining backwards awkward, as sliding it will make you do a laggy shine-turn around which eats up 3 frames of your time
- Resetting the control stick to the neutral position is a bit harder, but will not present any complications with waveshining backwards

2. Read above. You have to RESET the control stick to it's neutral position before wavedashing.

3. Ledge tech? Do you mean wall jump?

You must be thinking about the Doraki Wall Jump where you WALL JUMP (ledge tech is not the same as wall jumping) off of the ledge without using your double jump.

Basically you have to sweetspot the ledge with a double jump, illusion, or firefox. And you have to sweetspot it, you can't press up against the ledge at all. Then just press away from the ledge and you just did a Doraki.

 

[ethan1341]

ooo thanks. 2. I think i do and hes still just turning around i may be wrong. If I do shine WD jab reset. Is there like a combo I should do. Ive seen the shuffled up air up smash up tilt grab. But I don't think many people do this in a match often? Obviosly percents matter, should i just go for a grab after the reset

 

[TresChikon]

After the jab, you can do basically anything, Fox is just that fast.

You basically have your whole arsenal available. Grab-> U-air if it's Marth or something, or utilt/usmash combo out of FFers, it's pretty common sense.

The only catch is that most okay/decent players will DI the jab up or away so thunders doesnt work anymore.

2. Do it slowly, it's your inconsistency of being able to do it right, forget speed and just focus on learning the motions again. There's really no other way