Wario Control Theory

[Dacvak]

I debated whether or not to make a new thread, and I decided to go for it, simply because any logical discussion is very hit-and-miss in Jack-Of-All-Trades threads, and these new Wario pics can really strike up a good amount of speculation. Here are my thoughts.

Wario Theory:

"It’s rumored that this unpredictable character will give birth to a form of martial arts that other characters cannot even see."

First off, who here has played Mortal Kombat. You know Shang Tsung? He can change into any character and copy their abilities. Check these screens out:

My theory is that Wario's B moves will let him temporarily copy the character he is attacking (or closest to.)

Now, consider Wario's background. In the gameboy games, he was always changing his style, right? And WarioWare is focused around small bits of Gameplay that are there one second and gone the next. It would make perfect sense for him to temporarily copy a character's B moveset.

First, look at the top picture. Doesn't this look like it could be Fox's Up-B, only faced downward? Well, "where are the flames, then?" Remember: "It’s rumored that this unpredictable character will give birth to a form of martial arts that other characters cannot even see."

Now take a look at the second picture. Doesn't that seem like Luigi's taunt? Maybe he copies those, as well.

Finally, take a look at that last picture. Tell me that doesn't look like Kirby trying to suck someone in. I'm telling you, based on these pictures, it certainly seems plausable. It would definitely open up some crazy possibilities for Wario, as well. Your game would have to be constantly changing, that's for sure.

What are your theories?

~Dac

 

[bluebomber22]

^^^
that does look like kirby trying to suck someone up, but i thought it was Wario using some sort of "bite" attack

 

[THK]

As far as Wario is concerned, I really don't know what to make of him. Trailers, pictures, everything. I just can't wrap my head around it. But the very idea he could actually change up fighting styles, this has my interest.

 

[Kereokacola]

You're making something out of nothing, rather looking WAY into it. I think you're jumping to conclusions.

 

[jdironfist]

His strengths would then greatly depend on the characters picked by his opponents. I mean, Wario doesn't look like he's going to be lightning quick, right? So then, as his opponent (in a 1v1, say), pick the quickest character with the weakest attacks, and start peppering Wario with cheap, quick, low-lag attacks. He won't be fast enough for it to be a ditto match, and won't be able to land as many attacks as you would as his opponent because he lacks speed.

I guess this could be counteracted by making his versions of the attacks be more/less powerful depending on the character from which he "steals" them. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea, but it doesn't seem to be the most practical.

But then, has Wario ever been practical?

 

[Dacvak]

Wait one second... I'm putting something together... Seriously, this is creepy. Give me a few minutes, then I'll post.

~Dac

 

[Eternal Smasher]

It's possible. Very possible. But I think he's just a weirdo.

 

[THK]

Or maybe he just switches up on the fly. The Warioware games basically need to be able to adjust yourself fairly quickly. So maybe he is TRUELY unpredictable.

 

[jdironfist]

Or maybe he just switches up on the fly. The Warioware games basically need to be able to adjust yourself fairly quickly. So maybe he is TRUELY unpredictable.

What if your ^B changed from having a lot of vertical recovery and no horizontal recovery (Luigi) to having huge horizontal recovery, but nearly no vertical (Bowser/DK) when you were trying to recover? That doesn't seem like it's something you can react to. It's more like luck.

 

[Dither]

Hmm, wario even seems to be floating a bit in that last picture. It's very possible he will have a way to copy other player's abilities, even if not overtly, like kirby.

 

[Dacvak]

First off, you have to imagine all of these moves without their "special effects". That means, picture JUST the character motion.

Next, consider this: That first picture is definitely not a running attack. Nor is it the FSmash, or the F-Tilt. Both of those are seen in the trailers.

Finally, watch the trailers again... Notice that Wario does NO B moves whatsoever. They're all Aerials, Smashes, and Tilts (and the running attack). Of course, they couldn't show any of his B moves if they copied his opponents'. That'd give away the secret!

Now, once again, remember what Sakurai said: "It’s rumored that this unpredictable character will give birth to a form of martial arts that other characters cannot even see." (And no one bring up any "translation" bull crap. The Smashbros site is handled by professionals, and I doubt anything is ever really lost in translation. Sakurai's not the only guy working on the game, you know. I'm sure there are Americans who can make sure he's not wording anything oddly).

So finally, we get to the pictures. Take all of that into consideration. I really think that Wario will change up his B attacks (and apparently taunts?) on the fly to reflect his opponents.

When you consider that, these animations are too similar and too perfect for something not to be up. There's no way this is just a coincidence.

~Dac

 

[King Axel]

Very interesting theory. The Luigi taunt seems a little farfetched, but the rest looks plausible.

 

[Dacvak]

I thought the Luigi taunt was pretty solid. I mean, look... He's doing the exact windup motion as Luigi does. Hands behind his back, one foot leaning backwards, ready to kick. His face is even slightly leaning to the right, like Luigi.

Maybe there's a different way to "choose" who you copy. Maybe he'll be sort of like Kirby, or something. But with classic WarioWare style, you DO need to be constantly changing your game, and that requires crazy fast thinking/analyzing, which is exactly what you would need if his B buttons constantly changed due to where you were positioned relative to your opponents.

~Dac

 

[Kereokacola]

Oh please. Don't you remember the Nintendo World trailer at all? Wario is NOT using a fireball, he is running! Watch the trailer again, and compare his movements with that screenshot. You'll find they are exactly the same.

They are not going to add another copycat character. Wario is not known for copying abilities, he is known for his disguises, there IS a DIFFERENCE.

 

[h2ownage]

Your theory's all well and good, but what about the lack of fire in the upside down pic or the air getting sucked in for the Kirby pic. I'm not condemning your theory to hell, it's an interesting (albeit a little farfetched) theory; but still things remain a bit mysterious.

 

[Lemon Drop]

Wow talk about a huge leap. THough very interesting idea about mimicing moves.

 

[Dacvak]

Oh please. Don't you remember the Nintendo World trailer at all? Wario is NOT using a fireball, he is running! Watch the trailer again, and compare his movements with that screenshot. You'll find they are exactly the same.

They are not going to add another copycat character. Wario is not known for copying abilities, he is known for his disguises, there IS a DIFFERENCE.

Fine, that's all well and good. That screenshot was a bit off, anyway. (Running + Fireball? That's a lot to ask for). So it's actually better for this theory that the first picture is thrown out.

But I just booted up Melee to double-check everything for myself. If you still don't believe me, do it yourself. First, take a look at the second picture. Now go pick Fox and perform his Up-B downward. It's literally EXACTLY the same. The only difference is one of Fox's legs is bent. Natually, Wario has incredibly short legs, so this wouldn't make much sense.

Now pick luigi. Initiate his taunt and pause. Now rotate to the right a bit. Exactly the same as Wario. The only difference is that Luigi is looking to the left, and Wario is looking to the right.

Finally, get kirby. Hold in B and pause. Let's compare with Wario.
Huge mouth: Check
Arms back and upward: Check
Standing on tippy-toes: Check

The only difference with any of these pics is the fact that there are no special effects, and Sakurai's comment clearly explains that.

You say I'm reading too much into it? I say no way. Sakurai KNOWS that Hardcore Smashers are following his every move, and he's using this blog in a very viral way to uncover key aspects of the game. I guaranty we've already missed things. He's not making this blog for complete noobs.

And really, can one read too much into Smash Bros? Before Melee came out, if someone would have stated that they thought Mr. Game and Watch would be a character, everyone would have just laughed. Sakurai is FULL of surprises, and I really think he's going to change things up for Brawl. Wario is no exception, and I really think he's going to do something crazy like this.

But anyway, try that out for yourself on Melee. If you don't see the absolutely blatant similarities, you're blind.

~Dac

Edit: This is from another thread:
"Is it just me or does Wario's down headbutt in the air thing look like it has a disjointed hitbox?"

This supports the "invisible" effects idea.

 

[Quintalian]

Regarding the pic with Kirby, I saw that and thought "bite attack" instead. That the screencapper chose Kirby as his target was surely for the sake of irony.

I'm more and more inclined to believe that Wario is meant to be the replacement for Mr. Game & Watch. His jerky, low-frame-count animations and somewhat random attacks seem to support the idea. Also, I'm almost certain that one of Wario's specials will involve the Bucket. (It had its own trophy in Melee.) I'm guessing Wario would use the Bucket in the same manner as Mr. Game & Watch. And since where Wario is, explosives are usually nearby, I wouldn't be shocked to learn he can throw bombs.

 

[The Hypnotist]

The Mario thing just is pushing it...

But he could be some kind of doppleganger, there's no denying that kirby comparsion. However these could just be his moves that just happen to be done next to characters with similar moves. But I do beilve we (you) have definatly found something worthy of taking note of.

 

[Blackadder]

I feel this is all a bit...well, I feel it IS just a coinicidence.
The luigi taunt seems the least plausable of all, and the first one is a little...iffy.
The last one could just be a neat "Mario kisses arse, I bite it" move.
But it's all plausble.
I guess.

 

[Dacvak]

I'm one of the first people to usually point out stupid ideas, and I usually don't support looking "way into things", but this is just too much to deny. Honestly, what else could the third picture be? That's Luigi's taunt. That's Kirby's sucking animation. Fox's Up B? Definitely looks like it.

I don't think he'll be a replacement for anyone, I think he's a completely new and unique character. And they're certainly stressing the WarioWare aspect of him, as opposed to the Platformer side of him. This supports the multiple personality theory.

~Dac

 

[FrozenRoy]

Yay, I was in Dacvak's theory!

Also, it's possible. But I'm not 100^ convinced on Wario's coping.

 

[Time/SpaceMage]

The third screenshot would appear to be one of his idle animations (scratching his butt) as shown facing the other way in 2:03 of the second trailer. Interesting idea, anyway. As for the second pic, my initial impression of the headbutt was more along the lines of Bowser Bomb.

 

[Dacvak]

It's just too perfect... It fits too well. Look close. Now look close-lier. Even CLOSE-LIER!!

All of you non-believers can say it's a coincidence, but typically you don't get coincidences that big in the World of Smash without it meaning something fairly significant. Especially on specificially released frames that are dedicated to a hungry audience.

And since when has Smash Bros been predictable in the first place? Is my theory really that far-fetched? Is it anymore far-fetched than a character transforming into a completely different character by pressing down and B? No one saw that sh*t coming in Melee, and if someone would have predicted it, no one would've believed them. "2 characters in one? No way."

Then here's the final thing: "...other characters cannot even see." There is NO way that Sakurai put that in there for the hell of it. He's definitely hinting at something, and it certainly seems like this theory could be it.

I don't know HOW Wario will copy moves, but based on what we have, it certainly seems plausible.

~Dac

 

[Dacvak]

"The third screenshot would appear to be one of his idle animations (scratching his butt) as shown facing the other way in 2:03 of the second trailer. Interesting idea, anyway. "

I can totally see that. It's at an odd angle, though... It certainly seems like his left leg is drawn back, but I could see how his fat-a$$ could just be covering it. =P That one is either or.

So anyway, either Wario can copy moves, or the animators got really lazy and recycled animation clips.

Lazy Developing + Brawl = Bad news for everyone.

~Dac

 

[bluethree]

"martial arts that others cannot see" = flatulence.

Sakurai is making a fart joke.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Time/SpaceMage]

"Cannot even see" could've been a mistranslation... say if he meant "other characters cannot even see coming", as in he's a wildcard. I don't suggest reading too far into his English, since there are already rather ambiguous entries like Pika's "if it gets cancelled in midair".

But yeah, I was thinking of his Waft too =p

 

[Dacvak]

Hah, but you could clearly see it in the trailer. XP

Well, either way, I hope he's not a poorly-developed character. It would have been sweet if he was some sort of change-ling kinda thing.

Who knows? We'll find out when we get to play him.

All I know is it's 4:30 AM, and I need to go to work in the morning. Time for bed!

~Dac

 

[SnareRush]

Nice idea, but there's not much to back it up. Like Kereokacola said, the 'Fireball' screen shot is just his running animation. Also, I'm pretty sure the screenshot you've compared to Luigi is just Wario scratching his bum, that's in the second trailer too.

When I first read "a form of martial arts that other characters cannot even see", I thought of all his fart moves too lol, but I don't think this is it either as they seem to like representing farts as big clouds of green smoke ^^

 

[GaryCXJk]

Although this idea seems farfetched, and apparently somewhat debunked already, there are some odd things.

But first something else. Wario isn't known for stealing, rather, "borrowing" others ideas and such.

It is true that the bottom left picture on the site IS the butt scratching thing. However, draw the simmilarity with Luigi. Luigi does his kick taunt in a sort of indifferent manner. It may be he's a bit shy though, but it can also be done when getting bored. Now look at Wario's pose. Scratching your butt is always a way of showing you don't really care enough, or you don't have anything else to do at the moment.

For the rest, meh.

 

[Celsco]

The thing is, he's totally ********, but in a good way. But the problem is, IF dacvak's theory is right it would be really difficult 2 play with him. Because, imagine you're playing on a sort-like Hyrule-temple stage, got that? Okay, next you're wario on the extreme left side of the map and your enemy is on the extreme right side of the map, You'll just have no moves as playing as wario as long as you don't interact with your enemy.

 

[Chepe]

But you know, it COULD be just a down aerial in the top right screenie, and the bottom right could also just be some sort of burp B move. And then the top left is definitely running, and bottom left can just be an idle capture of him...

Not to totally rule your theory out, but I also think it might be reaching too far...

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

Being perfectly serious, the attack where Wario is flying downwards
looks a LOT more like Pikachu's D-air than Fox's up B...

 

[keko_keko]

Some nice observations there, i thought i'd look into it a bit more as well and i also noticed this. He winds up and does a donkey kong punch.

The second bit i added was slighlty irrelevant, but i added from curiousity. You see wario crawl backwards then release a sudden fist to the ground.

Also i thought if they're not copied there's got to be a limit of how many b-moves he can perform, so if exhausts this limit, perhaps there is a copy type move.

Also, yoshi's down-b?

Well that's my share of the speculation.

 

[Aki-toriko]

That looks like Warios falling Down A move to me.

That is in no way Luigi's taunt. When Luigi taunts he looks all bashful and gives a little kick like he's embarressed. Wario is rubbing his *** and cakling madly. Look in the Nintendo World Trailer, and you see him doing something similar

A forward A move more likely, or just a circumstantial shot to make people laugh (worked on me)

As for Sakurai's words "It’s rumoured that this unpredictable character will give birth to a form of martial arts that other characters cannot even see...", well that's probably haiku for "Wario was a really powerful Fart attack".

And Wario doesn't steal abilities in the same way Kirby does, he is given them through certain circumstances, for example, in Wario Land 2 (the only one worth playing I might add), he becomes a zombie when touched by a ghost, or becomes a raging fireball when set on fire. He doesn't steal abilities in any way. Besides he's in his Wario Ware costume, so he'll most likely link in with his history there rather than his platforming history.

You've put together a nice theory, I just think its a little too wild. Remember, the simplest explanation is always the correct one.

 

[Mic_128]

Glad to see we're all posting in the Wario topic, or the Daily update topic.



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