Wanting to delete, but don't know how.

[BigRick]

roflmao Ia m trunk rigth now hahelh

 

[Jammer]

Then you would agree with the statement, People who are drunk do things that they wouldn't do when they are sober?

I'm confused. This is pretty obvious.

What exactly are we arguing about? To me, an outsider to the Wikipedia/Eor discussion, it seems you guys have practically the same views.

 

[Mike87]

I hope this is true =]

I doubt that, I do know that Red Wine can be good for your heart,now I'm niot saying go drink a bottle of red wine, its just good for your heart in small doses.

Now are drunken words sober thoughts? Yes because you lose your inhibitions and your judgment becomes clouded.

 

[Pustulio]

I wasn't attacking your religion, Duke, I was simply assuming that's where your beliefs came from. Apparently, your grandpa wasn't very nice after all .

First off I will say I have never had alcohol in any way shape or form in my body (just don't wanna' leave a bad impression).

Anyways Wiki, what you are failing to realize is that Eor is not inferring anything different besides the fact that sober there must have been some influence to get that person to consider said action. So in other words, your grandfather was angry with your mother and felt like beating her, then the action occurred when he was drunk and lost the ability to control his thoughts and emotions. Point being that it doesn't change what is wanted to be done, it only changes the exact action.

If you are drunk and kill someone you must have originally had some malice or a forethought about doing it. Unless it's drunk driving, then it's not murder it's man slaughter. Anyhow being intoxicated doesn't affect your morals or intentions, only the fear of consequence and the control of the thought.

 

[Varuna]

I don't even know why I'm trying to debate with you, you refuse to do anything but slander, as you've shown before.

Alcohol removes social boundaries, not moral ones.

Want me to break that down more, or are you just going to respond with something like "Oh so it's ok to be immoral, i"m glad to see you believe that"

In his defense it may be that he is not racist but thinks racist jokes are funny, I think a lot of them are funny too.


Before all of you start blowing your whistle at me and hoopin and hollerin, think about it.

I am not racist. Specifically what I mean when I say that I am not racist is that I do not hate any race of people (including my own), nor hold any as a favorite, I do not discriminate, or draw out differences or claim superiority of inferiority for any individual race. I do not treat any race different from the way that I would treat my own.

I'm not going to point out all of my black friends, or give examples of my actions, I don't need to.

I find alot of the racist jokes I hear funny, I find them funny because like most humor they incorporate a sense of absurdity. I don't repeat them however because I know that people of other races might have their feelings hurt from them, this is what I would call a courteous social boundary.

Though I personally would probably never tell a racist joke no matter how drunk I am this might have been the case; and the simple fact that this man went drinking with somebody who was black and a friend, and after he hurt his friend, APOLOGIZED, might suggest that this man is in fact not a total bigot.


Living in the south I have friends who were brought up racist and due to their good nature when they meet black people they befriended them. They still had imbedded in their head the racist things their parents taught them but when it came to social interaction they were just as normal as can be.


The enemy is hate, the enemy is racism, not white people.

 

[Pustulio]

I agree, Varuna, you can have a racist joke or thought but, not be entirely racist in your true belief. Just that it had to have been a thought at one point.

 

[Lightshade]

I agree, Varuna, you can have a racist joke or thought but, not be entirely racist in your true belief. Just that it had to have been a thought at one point.

Drunken words are sover thoughts. end of it. gawd.

 

[AColdFrictionySamus 2 PoopOn']

Drinking reveals what sobriety conceals...

 

[Frozenserpent]

People lose inhibitions and judgements when they drink.

Beating your wife when drunk doesn't mean you have ill intentions sober. It just means you get urges to act violently, but it's kept in check because you know that you would hurt your wife, and you love her enough not to do that. However, a drunk person might not sit back and think about this, so they lash out according to how they feel.

I sometimes get an urge to jump out and whack a person, but, then, I know there are consequences to that. I don't want to get in trouble, and I also don't want to hurt anyone. This urge doesn't come from the fact that I dislike anyone, it's just that it seems kind of fun. If i do it when drunk, it would be erroneous that jump to the conclusion that I dislike the person i whacked. In fact, i'd probably end up whacking some random guy i never seen before.

Similarly, there are a couple reasons why you would tell a racist joke: you think it's funny, or you want to insult the person you're telling it to. It's very easy for someone to think a racist joke is funny, while at the same time not being racist. It's a huge jump to say that someone who says a racist joke is secretly a bigot (unless your definition of bigot is extremely loose).

Also, I sometimes have an urge to have sex with girls that I see. But I don't, you know why? Doing so would be ****, and i don't want to **** anyone because it would be hurt the person I ****. That is the main reason. I don't think I can ever get intoxicated to get rid of that inhibition, but the point is that I have these sexual urges. This doesn't make me a hidden rapist or should be anything to be ashamed of. These urges, I would dare say, are natural to people. Everyone have random urges, but they are kept in check with inhibitions. A person's true nature is a combination of the urges and his internal inhibitions. It would be easier to make some judgement about a person's nature if external inhibitions were removed.

 

[Cyphus]

yea, with the exceptions of about 4 of u..the rest should just shut up. If you haven't drank before, only drank a little, or only got drunk a few times, you still donnot have an experienced stand for a real opinion. (and even then, theres a good chance you don't)
I think some smart people already covered the main topic's quesiton good enough..so i'll just leave ya'll w/ some wisdom on the dangers of alcohol.

for the record, a little alcohol is GOOD for the body. jack lalanne, the father of american fitness, age 93 and fit as 40, has a glass of wine almost every night. He's uncomparibly the healthiest person over 80 in the world.
Alcohol is not bad, but some drinks that contain alcohol can be bad if you drink 'too much'. (DUH) Pretty much everything in moderation is ok for you (including weed). Scientists recently discovered that our bodies actually have this magical ability to adapt and/or build a tolerance to things (!!)
Yea if u get wasted all the time, yea..thats bad for you. Did u know too much oxygen is bad for u? Pure Oxygen is poisonous. Too much water is bad for you...too much sun is bad for you! (cancer! oh ****)

The truth is, alcohol is perfectly fine. Every substance known to man can be abused. But as long as you enjoy alcohol through moderation,(including getting drunk occasionally) its perfectly okay.

 

[Wikipedia]

But most people aren't just having a cup of wine with their nightly steak and potatoes. They're drinking beer by the twelve packs. Too much of a good thing is bad. But too much of something that potentially addicts the user and instigates criminal behavior is much worse than something that is responsible, I'm sure, for less than a billionth of the worlds deaths (over oxygenation).

I mean, I am all for a wine a day but you know that alcohol is taking so much further than that in most cases.

 

[Frozenserpent]

I know that studies have shown that drinking red wine have been beneficial health, linking the cause of this to a pigment in red grape skin. I don't know about any studies that showed that alcohol itself is beneficial to the body.

 

[GameFreaking]

did you know drinking a LITTLE of alcohol is good for you after you exercise.

what about a LOT of alcohol with no exercise involved?

But most people aren't just having a cup of wine with their nightly steak and potatoes. They're drinking beer by the twelve packs. Too much of a good thing is bad. But too much of something that potentially addicts the user and instigates criminal behavior is much worse than something that is responsible, I'm sure, for less than a billionth of the worlds deaths (over oxygenation).

I mean, I am all for a wine a day but you know that alcohol is taking so much further than that in most cases.

perhaps im misreading this but you continue to present the worst case senarios of what I would consider a person who already has criminal tendencies indulging in alcohol before acting on whatever malicious whim they have.

I really think if you ever do drink yourself drunk, you'll find that it's really quite different than what you are describing.

The enemy is hate, the enemy is racism, not white people.

Agreed. Humor can be found in some very slanderous jokes, but just because a white person can laugh at this does not make them racists.

 

[Dodongo]

In my experience talking drunk is kind of like when you think you can sneak off an innocent fart without anyone noticing, but then it turns out to be a particularly wet trouser patty than slides down your pant leg and onto the floor and you're the least likely person to notice the difference. Sure, what you say may have something to do with what you really want to say, but when you are drunk (and we're talking drunk by dongo's standards, not by the ones of 'I just had my first Zima guy') the context of what you think is funny or impressive is probably formed by signals that you aren't correctly receiving from those around you. What I spurt out in drunken conversation is highly variable to the social situation and who I am talking to. Also, it seems anything slightly unpleasant that I may have to say while intoxicated will undoubtedly come out a much more explicit version than intended.

 

[GameFreaking]

yeah thats how i feel about it.

for example, i once refered to my black friend as "my *****". i didn't mean anything except that he is my friend. we were both completely hammered. just liek i hadn't notcied my folly, he didn't notice that i had said it. in fact it was another white person who brought it up, and started calling me a racist because i said the n word in front of my black friend when both he and i were too drunk too care.

im not a racist, i just didn't think about the consequences. that's all alcohol really does. it inhibits you.

 

[McCloud]

I have a friend who's a senior at my college. He's a nice guy until he gets hammered. He's a 12 year black belt in like 3 different martial arts so when he's drunk he doesn't care what he does to his friends. He's slapped friends, poured drinks on friends' heads, etc. He always ends up recognizing what he did immediately or at least as the night wears on and he'll reconcile the situation.

The point of that little anecdote was my case for alcohol releasing general inhibitions about your actions. Why? Because you really don't stop to think about it.

Hell, I might not beat up my friends when I'm drunk, but I do say things that I probably wouldn't while sober. Mostly it just gets me in trouble with girls...

 

[Varuna]

yeah thats how i feel about it.

for example, i once refered to my black friend as "my *****". i didn't mean anything except that he is my friend. we were both completely hammered. just liek i hadn't notcied my folly, he didn't notice that i had said it. in fact it was another white person who brought it up, and started calling me a racist because i said the n word in front of my black friend when both he and i were too drunk too care.

im not a racist, i just didn't think about the consequences. that's all alcohol really does. it inhibits you.

I have a black friend who preffers me to call him "my *****" or his first name He hates his last name and he hates "dude".

 

[MASAHIROx]

same with me

except its my latio friend that calls me (white) "my *****"

doesn't bother me at all. i call him that too LOL

 

[GameFreaking]

yeah so far as i can tell none of my black friends have been ok with my using the n-word. however, i do have a mexican friend who i can refer to as "the mexican." not really the same thign but kinda sorta.

 

[MASAHIROx]

smashboards is being ********

 

[JFox]

From my experience, you do say some things that you would normally hold back or filter while drunk, often because while intoxicated you feel like you can say things and than later blame it on the alcohol and not be held responsible.

However, its also true that sometimes while drunk, you say things just to be funny and get attention. You try to play off that drunken persona, and maybe someone can take what you say offensively even though you were saying it as a joke.

For example, my (sober) friend, lets call him Bob, asked my drunk friend, lets call him Joe, a question to see how he would answer. Bob asked Joe "would you ever have sex with my girlfriend" Than Joe, being drunk says "yeah, pffft if she lost a few pounds" Now its true that Joe really does think Bob's girlfriend is overweight, and was sort insulting him for even asking that question. But Bob took it as "Joe would sleep with my girl if she were attractive, regardless of my feelings"

Bob beat the **** out of Joe. Not cool. Joe said something stupid, but Bob was sorta antagonizing the response. See Bob thought of alcohol as if it were truth serum, and really its not. It might be true that at times people will say things that they really feel while drunk, but you can't always assume things.

BTW, in terms of saying the word "n-word" I feel like its gotten to the point where its not looked at as derogatory because its often used in a non-derogatory way. If someone white (and drunk) said to someone black "whats up *****" I DON'T think that person is automatically a racist, especially if he knows/is friends with the black person, and is typically not racist. SOME white people just feel like they can't say that word around black people because they don't want to offend someone. But when you are drunk, you not only care less, but you don't feel as responsible cuz u can blame it on the drunken state.

Its all context. Wanna tell us what you said?

 

[MASAHIROx]

wow bob is a complete *** hole with built up aggression.

way to take it out on a drunk person. Thats mature.

 

[Lightshade]

smashboards is ********

fix'd, and a good statement too.


Please, there's nothing really more to debate about this topic. When you go get wasted at your friends house, you say stuff that you think about when you're sober. No debate, that's what happens because you lose self-control. END OF THE STORY GAWD

 

[Hiemie]

Yes, yes they are.