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Wikipedia
Smash Lord
That's why drinking is stupid, in my opinion. It is not only harmful to you but it can especially be harmful to others, physically and emotionally. When you drink you don't have as much control over what you do, the part of the brain over self control is hindered, as you may know.
I can see how that makes sense, you may not say something offensive when you are sober but when you are drunk then you might say it. But I think this should be taken with a grain of salt, not everything a drunkard says are verbal expression for sober thoughts.
I'd suggest apologizing.
I can see how that makes sense, you may not say something offensive when you are sober but when you are drunk then you might say it. But I think this should be taken with a grain of salt, not everything a drunkard says are verbal expression for sober thoughts.
I'd suggest apologizing.
If you know what you said, and you honestly didn't mean it, then you honestly can't say it's an honest thought.
But if you honestly think what you said is true, then ****. Stop drinking in front of people that you might offend.
But if you honestly think what you said is true, then ****. Stop drinking in front of people that you might offend.
Volrec
Smash Lord
I guess that's a sign to stop drinking
pikachun00b7
Smash Lord
If you drink and shoot somebody is it considered murder? Hell yeah!
Even while you are influenced by alcohol, the decision is yours. So to answer your questions, yes your friend must have had thoughts of racism before he was drinking.
Drink responsibly.
Edit: A bit off topic, but did you know drinking a LITTLE of alcohol is good for you after you exercise. Something to do with retaining water or some **** like that.
Even while you are influenced by alcohol, the decision is yours. So to answer your questions, yes your friend must have had thoughts of racism before he was drinking.
Drink responsibly.
Edit: A bit off topic, but did you know drinking a LITTLE of alcohol is good for you after you exercise. Something to do with retaining water or some **** like that.
UMBC Super Smasher
Smash Lord
I thought drinking dehydrates the body?
I was going to say essentially the same thing as pika. I choose not to drink because I can't control myself when under the influence, and I don't want to deal with the consequences.
Konpaku
Smash Journeyman
I hope this is true =]
I disagree with what your applying, most of what you say when drunk is from the heart. That doesn't mean it's a good thing to say, of course, nor that you can't lie, but generally your much more open about things. Really, when you here people say "I was drunk, it's not my fault i molested her" or things like that, it's all crap. They probably wouldn't have if they weren't drunk, but that's just because they would have been afraid of getting caught, not that alcohol impeded their morals.
So if you got drunk and called your friend a "******" or said "Kill all jews", then you probably should stop drinking with him or stop being such a bigot.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
But that's exactly it, you don't know anymore when things need to be said or when things are unacceptable. Does the guy really think that all jews must die? Maybe. But it is likely that he was joking and the alcohol was impairing his judgment to know this is not an acceptable joke.
The way the guy posted, it seemed more like he was saying it's ok for him to say racist things while drunk because it's not what he believes. Jokes are a different matter entirely, and you're right on that, though the guy never mentioned it as being a joke.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
It has nothing to do with what the original poster's situation is. It has to do with what you said about most of what drunk people say is from the heart.
A joke is a joke. It might be an insensitive joke, but if someone says a racist joke while intoxicated, then they themselves are obviously not offended by it. It might offend other people, but if you're not an ******* then you just didn't know that you'd offend other people, as it didn't offend yourself. That is what I meant by "From the heart", you don't make all moral choices by any means, you make the choices you want to make.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
So it's from the heart when you don't know any better? Got it.
Am I correct in saying that alcohol does something to your brain that removes inhibitions? So normally our thread creator would be able to check himself before he says something racist. But when he drinks, he is unable to stop himself, and says it.
I think that means he's racist. I guess everyone is, at least a little bit, but he must have said some pretty bad stuff to make his friend so mad at him.
It's a fact, widely exploited in the movies, that people are more honest when drunk, because, one, they have diminished mental capacity (are unable to come up with a good lie) and, two, they have less inhibitions about telling the truth. They may not be as coherent and intelligible, but they'll say things that they would normally not want other people to know.
Just a single drink of alcohol will reduce your inhibitions, while it takes a few drinks before you start losing motor control. Scary, huh?
I think that means he's racist. I guess everyone is, at least a little bit, but he must have said some pretty bad stuff to make his friend so mad at him.
It's a fact, widely exploited in the movies, that people are more honest when drunk, because, one, they have diminished mental capacity (are unable to come up with a good lie) and, two, they have less inhibitions about telling the truth. They may not be as coherent and intelligible, but they'll say things that they would normally not want other people to know.
Just a single drink of alcohol will reduce your inhibitions, while it takes a few drinks before you start losing motor control. Scary, huh?
I don't even know why I'm trying to debate with you, you refuse to do anything but slander, as you've shown before.
Alcohol removes social boundaries, not moral ones.
Want me to break that down more, or are you just going to respond with something like "Oh so it's ok to be immoral, i"m glad to see you believe that"
Alcohol removes social boundaries, not moral ones.
Want me to break that down more, or are you just going to respond with something like "Oh so it's ok to be immoral, i"m glad to see you believe that"
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
This isn't a debate, I thought we were just discussing this. I can't even say I know much about alcohol, I have never drunk alcohol, my parents haven't and I don't really know anyone that has. But I do know that people do things, morally, that they wouldn't if they were sober.
Honest question. The dad that comes home from drinking and beats his wife and kids is demonstrating a lack of social boundaries when he wouldn't otherwise do this?
I resent that you think I'm being condescending. I haven't said anything along the lines of, "Oh so it's ok to be immoral, i"m glad to see you believe that" I'd say this is quite the slander to put such words in my mouth. Don't degrade me like that, I haven't done anything wrong within the boundaries of discussion.
EDIT for Xsyven: I'm not debating this, I have no personal experience with alcohol. I maybe said a few satirical things but that does not indicate that I'm debating.
Honest question. The dad that comes home from drinking and beats his wife and kids is demonstrating a lack of social boundaries when he wouldn't otherwise do this?
I resent that you think I'm being condescending. I haven't said anything along the lines of, "Oh so it's ok to be immoral, i"m glad to see you believe that" I'd say this is quite the slander to put such words in my mouth. Don't degrade me like that, I haven't done anything wrong within the boundaries of discussion.
EDIT for Xsyven: I'm not debating this, I have no personal experience with alcohol. I maybe said a few satirical things but that does not indicate that I'm debating.
Wikipedia, when you're drunk, you still have a surprising amount of self control. You just ... don't care.
Odds are, the dad verbally abuses his children and wife when he's sober, and probably regrets his marriage and having children. The alcohol just breaks down the walls, and bam.
You'll never see a happy husband/father abuse his family. Even when he's drunk.
Odds are, the dad verbally abuses his children and wife when he's sober, and probably regrets his marriage and having children. The alcohol just breaks down the walls, and bam.
You'll never see a happy husband/father abuse his family. Even when he's drunk.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
I don't see where the disagreement is. We all seem to agree that people who are drunk do things that they wouldn't do when they are sober. Whether they had thought these thoughts when they were sober or not is irrelevant, there's a difference between thinking of beating your wife and actually doing it.
pikachun00b7
Smash Lord
Do not try it. I do not know the credibility of the claim. I heard from a local radio
broadcast after all. But it says to drink AFTER before or during exercise is really bad.
I was just trying to share random trivial fact I heard, not have someone potentially be hurt.
Edit: On the Eor v. Wikipedia argument: Alcohol may make you careless and say inappropriate jokes that are out of your character. And do risky things(risky as in you want to see how long you can hang off a 10 story building with one hand). However when a person says a belief while drunk, it means he must have believed it before he was drunk. Alcohol does not make you racist.
Edit2: No Wikipedia; it is a difference of hating your wife so much that you would beat but could not because of consequences with law, and beating her.
Likewise, in the example, it is a difference of hating black people, and telling them you hate them.
The difference is in whether or not you're capable of beating your wife. If I have a wife and I get drunk, I'm not going to just start punching her. However, if I'm drunk and I come in on her banging the mailman, then I might because I'm not thinking about the consequences. However, if I was sober and I came in, and I would have beaten her up if drunk, then I'd be seriously considering it.
When I say "From the heart" I don't mean it in the general meaning of it, but instead in that it's what you instinctively or secretly want to do. I think our problem came from what we where both saying. I took it as you saying that alcohol could turn a good person bad, while I'm saying "No, it can turn a bad person pretending to be good bad, with shades of gray in there". I'm not trying to say that drunkenness is moral, or that it's better to be drunk then sober. Just that if someone gets drunk and murders a kid, or yells at Jews (Mel Gibson), then they're not good people turned bad, they're pretenders being ousted (nor am I saying that that's a good thing).
notftomearth7
Smash Lord
Um...I mean people are usually brutally honest when intoxicated, but sometimes it's just useless blabbering.
Rex+
Smash Ace
Alcohol really screws up the way you see the world; there are basically no limits to what you can do (speaking from experience). I remember when I was intoxicated (and that was the only time I ever was in my life), and I let out some words that I still regret saying to one of my closest friends. I believed that I could say anything I wanted to.
Between your mouth and the real world, there is this little wall I like to call "common sense." Alcohol breaks down that wall completely.
Between your mouth and the real world, there is this little wall I like to call "common sense." Alcohol breaks down that wall completely.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
That is something I think we can agree on, Eor. Although I would have worded better, instead of "bad people pretending to be good" I would say "people trying to control their anger being denied that control."
What I don't get is if the person is already capable of beating his wife while sober then why doesn't he do it?
What I don't get is if the person is already capable of beating his wife while sober then why doesn't he do it?
Because he's afraid of getting arrested. cF=) actually stated it more clearly then I did, though I wanted to clarify that most people don't act moral out of fear of getting punished but because that is what they believe they should do.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
Then you would agree with the statement, People who are drunk do things that they wouldn't do when they are sober?
Eh just because you are drunk, does not mean that what you say is TRULY how you feel. People often confuse mean things that a person says when they are drunk to be the truth.
Alcohol does lower inhibitions, but also impairs judgement and thoughts. I'm not excusing someone from their responsibility as a person when they drink, I'm just arguing that just because somebody says something when they are drunk, does not necessarily mean that they believe what they said to be true.
As others suggested, I would definitely apologize. But apologize in a way that you do NOT use the alcohol as a scapegoat.
Alcohol does lower inhibitions, but also impairs judgement and thoughts. I'm not excusing someone from their responsibility as a person when they drink, I'm just arguing that just because somebody says something when they are drunk, does not necessarily mean that they believe what they said to be true.
As others suggested, I would definitely apologize. But apologize in a way that you do NOT use the alcohol as a scapegoat.
Eight Sage
Smash Lord
If you're drunk you are Uninhibited, so your words are free from conscious. Sometimes, what you say drunk it's true, others depends in your thoughts (that can be or not your will)
Xanthyr
Smash Journeyman
From my experience, I've never lost control over my mouth, thoughts, or my actions. I've also been commended of being very strong willed and have an insane amount of concentration. I don't know if that would prevent insults and secrets from pouring out of me.
Anyways, if it has happened on multiple accounts, then I believe it has some seat within you and you don't usually feel its presence unless you're drinking. Do you discuss a topic often that is relevant to the slurs that you've said to your friend?
THIS IS NOT IN CORRELATION TO A PREVIOUS POST:
I personally believe that some people should take some sort of psych. test before they're allowed to drink. Some people just lose it when they start consuming alcohol. There needs to be a certain level of maturity, or at least a mindset that you are still you when you drink. Too many times have I ran into people giving excuses for their behavior while intoxicated on drinking itself.
Anyways, if it has happened on multiple accounts, then I believe it has some seat within you and you don't usually feel its presence unless you're drinking. Do you discuss a topic often that is relevant to the slurs that you've said to your friend?
THIS IS NOT IN CORRELATION TO A PREVIOUS POST:
I personally believe that some people should take some sort of psych. test before they're allowed to drink. Some people just lose it when they start consuming alcohol. There needs to be a certain level of maturity, or at least a mindset that you are still you when you drink. Too many times have I ran into people giving excuses for their behavior while intoxicated on drinking itself.
Rx-
A.K.A. Disafter
I think that friends who take everything to heart are not friends at all. They are responsibilities.
MASAHIROx
Smash Lord
agree with Rx-
I say racial **** to my friends all of the time especially "*****." its another way of saying "friend" and no one takes offense to it in our circle. If someone did take offense to it then i would stop.
iIalso say some pretty hurtful **** to my friends but it is always in context.
I hope someone can see where im coming from.
I say racial **** to my friends all of the time especially "*****." its another way of saying "friend" and no one takes offense to it in our circle. If someone did take offense to it then i would stop.
iIalso say some pretty hurtful **** to my friends but it is always in context.
I hope someone can see where im coming from.
Well, yeah, of course. But as I have constantly said, over and over again, that alcohol doesn't turn you into a murderer or a racists. If you don't have murder in your heart, then drinking alcohol won't make you murder anyone. I'm not saying Alcohol is moral, which I think you're trying to debate about because of your religion, but that you can't use alcohol as an excuse for your drunken behavior.
Those are people who have an addictive personality. People with that have an inability to abstain if they allow the habit to develop. These people often have low harm avoidance as well as tend to blame others for their own misfortunes.
Most people can handle a drink or two, or more if the situation permits, but then they can STOP. Those people with the addictive personality disorder are pretty much screwed.
What sucks about personality disorders is that therapy cannot really do much to change it. If it was an Axis 1, or mental disorder therapy + medication could do something about it.
I really wish there was a way to test people to see if they would get a addicted to alcohol or drugs, and find a way to prevent them from accessing those drugs. That would be wonderful.
Most people can handle a drink or two, or more if the situation permits, but then they can STOP. Those people with the addictive personality disorder are pretty much screwed.
What sucks about personality disorders is that therapy cannot really do much to change it. If it was an Axis 1, or mental disorder therapy + medication could do something about it.
I really wish there was a way to test people to see if they would get a addicted to alcohol or drugs, and find a way to prevent them from accessing those drugs. That would be wonderful.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
This has nothing with my religion and everything to do with my curiousity of why my amazing, nice, loving grandpa would abuse my mom when he was drunk. I'd appreciate if you'd stop your assumptions and cutting remarks, Eor.
Lightshade
Smash Ace
It's true. Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong in every way possible.
I wasn't attacking your religion, Duke, I was simply assuming that's where your beliefs came from. Apparently, your grandpa wasn't very nice after all .