vs. Little Mac

[Whatthefluff]

So I was in a tournament yesterday and someone there told me that to beat little mac all I gotta do is sit in the corner and throw him off. The guy who told me is really good so I listened. Later in the tourney I played a little mac (in the top 16 of 74) and did exactly that. I 3-stocked him in one game and believe I 2-stocked the other. Earlier today I 2-stocked a little mac in for glory with the same tactic. Is there any solid counter to this other than mindgames or will this ruin little mac?

 

[Yoki]

As Little Mac, don't get impatient and rush in. If you have the percent lead, just wait for your opponent to come to you. If you don't. FTilt is safe on shield and outranges most characters, so a bunch of spaced FTilts is enough to force someone back towards the middle of the stage. This should also help: http://smashboards.com/threads/perfect-pivot-and-fox-trot-based-ats.371108/

 

[Solreth]

Additionally, I made a thread labeled "Dash technique" on this forum. and if you look at what it suggests (I.e. carrying your forward momentem via instant dash-interrupt-to-roll combo) you can actually swing behind the wannabe grab spammer and deliver the hurt.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

More or less that tactic is to just beat the scrubby impatient Macs. All Mac has to do is walk his way in and pressure with ftilt and just try to force an action without over committing.

 

[Whatthefluff]

Well how about if they camp with projectiles on top of it? Then you can't approach that easily and it becomes improbable that you can do so without getting grabbed.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

You can still approach just fine and it doesn't really increase the chances of you getting grabbed. The game plan is still the same. Patiently walk yourself into the corner(while dealing with projectiles through either power shielding or jabbing them) and then just apply safe pressure. It requires a good deal more patience though. I'm not saying it's easy for Mac, but it's definitely doable and if you get the better reads then Mac will do fine.

 

[Whatthefluff]

Alright I think I can see it. It's sort of whoever has more patience and better reads wins in that case.

 

[ndayday]

This is the biggest downfall for anyone going against any better-than-bad Little Mac. it seems like any easy strat but just think of friendlies on walk-off stages: people sometimes resort to camping the sides and going for an easy back throw (in this case though, unless your character has a good bthrow you'll likely follow with an aerial). Treat it as the same concept. as little mac, of course you're not going to run up there and expect good things

 

[Doroco]

as a strong independent jigglypuff i will camp ledge from 0% until you come towards me. If i have more % than you i would rather make you wait 5 minutes then deal with that low lag

Edit: also for edge guarding, if you do an upsmash for people with auto locking recoveries (basically everyone) it will hit the guy grabbing ledge from below

 

[deepseadiva]

Actually... I see the legitimacy in this haha.

At a certain distance from the edge you take away his side special tool. If he attempts to use it at this certain range he risks a suicide. What a simple thing.

 

[Whatthefluff]

Well of course. I mean it did work in the tournament. It's just if Little Mac is wiser then it becomes less of a problem for him.

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

It's an effective strategy for now because Little Macs are still new. Once they experience that kind of defeat once, they won't fall into the same trap as long as they somewhat know what they are doing. I've 2-stocked in For Glory twice because of this. And....now I know not rush the ledge anymore. In a few weeks, no Little Mac main should ever fall victim to this strategy

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Honestly unless you're going for a hard read or ranged punish you don't really need side-b anyway. It's a pretty big commitment and is punishable on shield and hit at low %s.

 

[Doroco]

if little macs learn to not go near edge like how other characters learned to camp edge it will turn into a sitting war with neither party having a reason to approach, atleast in melee puff dittos people tried to hit with attacks.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

There's no reason it should be two people standing at opposite sides of the stage doing nothing unless one of them is dumb and don't realize that they don't have the % lead. Unless we're talking about cheesing wins in For Glory or something lol. Then maybe.