vs. Dedede

[KBM]

I know Olimar has the advantage, but this DDD at the local tournies keeps beating me in the finals. Once he gets me off the side, it's bair all day until I air dodge through him to the stage, only to be grabbed and thrown back off.

Any really useful advice on beating Dedede's?

By "really useful" I mean, something that's not "camp mo' bettah" or "don't get grabbed"

 

[Lompta]

Sure! I got something. Sing him Leonard Cohen songs. When he starts to cry, eat his controller.

 

[XienZo]

Try whistling through the bairs if you can predict it.

In general, if you're getting thrown often, you should play a bit more defensively too.

 

[Zori]

Sure! I got something. Sing him Leonard Cohen songs. When he starts to cry, eat his controller.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool <3 visit the oli boards more often.



and yeah back to ddd abuse his weight and start long chains wac stuff when you off stage and when you see some waddle dees start chucking some pikmin .

 

[KBM]

can a Nair beat Dedede's Bair? it seems like a good idea...

and what do you mean "wac stuff when you're off the stage"? like Fair?

 

[Fino]

can a Nair beat Dedede's Bair? it seems like a good idea...

and what do you mean "wac stuff when you're off the stage"? like Fair?

WAC - whistle armor cancel. your whistle has super armor, meaning if you get hit, you still take damage but you receive no knock back. In some cases it's better to WAC instead of aerial dodging.


~Fino

 

[cycon365]

also, Olimar's NAir is really annoying and adds up the damage if you can't time the whistle

 

[KBM]

oh ok, I've never seen it abbreviated that way, but I gotcha now. Yeah i'll work on the timing. About how long does the armor last? Like, what's an acceptable margin of error on the whistle timing?

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Here you go. Forward B, if he's approaching, GRAB then throw him off the stage. Yes, waste your bthrows and fthrows.
Do it.

 

[KBM]

so I crushed that Dedede player at the tournament thursday. 2 stocked him 3 times in the finals. the whistle armor only worked out a couple times, but I figured out where my real problem was. Tech chasing is so OP with dedede because his grab range is so long, so no matter if I rolled to either side after his down throw, did a get up attack, or simply stood up, he could grab me again.

However, I figured out thursday that if you roll to the side and immediately do an up tilt, you'll get him before he can grab you every time. unless he just shields. the point is though, he wont be able to grab you.

 

[Cook]

so I crushed that Dedede player at the tournament thursday. 2 stocked him 3 times in the finals. the whistle armor only worked out a couple times, but I figured out where my real problem was. Tech chasing is so OP with dedede because his grab range is so long, so no matter if I rolled to either side after his down throw, did a get up attack, or simply stood up, he could grab me again.

However, I figured out thursday that if you roll to the side and immediately do an up tilt, you'll get him before he can grab you every time. unless he just shields. the point is though, he wont be able to grab you.

Do you mean roll after teching or roll after hitting the ground?

 

[KBM]

either works, just up tilt out of it

 

[DanGR]

so I crushed that Dedede player at the tournament thursday. 2 stocked him 3 times in the finals. the whistle armor only worked out a couple times, but I figured out where my real problem was. Tech chasing is so OP with dedede because his grab range is so long, so no matter if I rolled to either side after his down throw, did a get up attack, or simply stood up, he could grab me again.

However, I figured out thursday that if you roll to the side and immediately do an up tilt, you'll get him before he can grab you every time. unless he just shields. the point is though, he wont be able to grab you.

woa, didn't know that. so you roll away and uptilt?

Yah know, you can just tech the dthrow.

 

[NintenJoe]

Olimar's grab has farther range and equal lag to that of King DeDeDe, so use that to your advantage. Olimar's projectiles also outclass those of the penguin King unless he gets lucky and throws a gordo. As for off the stage game, WACing, just as everyone else has been saying.

 

[KBM]

arite guys, i gotta tell you. the big money tournament was today, and i played that DDD guy 1st round. I 2 stocked him twice. then I played him again in the losers bracket (i ended up getting 3rd place) and WAC'd his Fair at 150% on the far side of lylat. it was incredible. i won that match too, btw.

this thread was a success. Im never losing to that DDD again.

/end

 

[Awex]

Very nice. Never forget Dedede vs Olimar is a 50/50 matchup and play it SMART guys. =)

 

[Rocann]

i didn't post at all but on behalf of the olimar boards: you're welcome! and enjoy your stay!

also rofl shrink peaces and we get like 10 people in 2 days

 

[RichBrown]

****, im gonna have to try the roll/uptilt thing. I got ***** by teba when he followed my roll at a tournament a few weeks ago.