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Vidya's to Rate! Blackshadow vs Combo Turtle, please critique!

Blackshadow

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ComboTurtle (Ness) vs Blackshadow (Falcon) Round 1
ComboTurtle (Ness) vs Blackshadow (Falcon) Round 2
ComboTurtle (Ness) vs Blackshadow (Fox)
ComboTurtle (Ness) vs Blackshadow (DK)

Well me and ComboTurtle were playing on Kaillera the other day, and he suggested we record some vids of us playing. Using the Kaillera playback feature, ComboTurtle recorded these matches himself afterwards, and here you go! Thanks man XD

Please critique both of us, Turtle hasn't been playing for too long (I think he told me 3 days, or something?) and I've been playing on Kaillera for 3 months.

Bytheway, more vids to come of me using Luigi vsing his Ness.
 
Surri-Sama

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Hmm that ness needs DJT and fox...tactics hah not bad other then everything i suppose <_<>_>


but seriously i would have to play you to really help you in any major way...i dont notice thigns from vids much but game play...thats diffrent..im on kaillera alot

Pps Surri-Sama
 
ComboTurtle

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Sirhc said:
Hmm that ness needs DJT and fox...tactics hah not bad other then everything i suppose <_<>_>


but seriously i would have to play you to really help you in any major way...i dont notice thigns from vids much but game play...thats diffrent..im on kaillera alot

Pps Surri-Sama
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whats DJT i literally just started ssb4
 
Wenbobular

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He probably meant DJC, which stands for double jump cancel. Ness can cancel his 2nd jump with an aerial attack, so quickly jumping twice and hitting an aerial can produce a chain of very low aerials that can combo and break shields.
Like this!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kidpxgzP6fc
Falcon needs to learn to back throw.
 
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onegoal...heaven

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Ok gonna go critical on the falcon.
Falcon needs to learn how to...
*Dash pivot
*Read and tech chase opponents better but you learn that by more experience and I can tell you my theory of tech chase, which is actually true, but I don't want anyone to know :p.
*Don't get readed and don't keep on grabbin when u guys are in that crazy grabbing game, find another way out like get out of the situation or dair
*Learn how to combo better by watching combo videos and then copying them and training them. I recommend watchin KSO and Megavolt's combo vids since the combos are at your tech level, once you get them down, start watchin my friend Alan's combo video part 1 and practice those like I am right now.
*Learn ALL of falcon's matchups and know how to use him effectively against diff opponents such as...you missed a fair to ness when he was at 40 something percent when you could've used your grab to do the falcon punch finisher.
*Be unpredictable and learn how to move faster with less mistakes. I recommend using falcon kick to chase opponent when he's off the stage and coming back on, then attack him. Boom showed me a cool move, which is useful, when person is coming back on stage and you want to catch up to them and surprise them, falcon kick off a platform or preferably a high plane so that you will catch up to the opponent and do a surprise dair, etc.
*Learn how to survive edgeguards. You could have uair when doing a dbl jump to protect your self when tryin to grab the ledge, but you just did a jump and grabbed the ledge almost before ness daired you.
*Learn how to think fast when edgeguardin such as, don't rely on edgeguardin with ur backside. The fair is useful when u need to quickly control the situation and have no time to do other moves. NEVER DAIR a ness when he's chargin his up b. Do an up b instead or fair/bair.
*Lastly, learn how to DI

Other than that....

*Good tech skill to improve upon
*You can tech chase
*Nice taunt cancel, now try doing it on the gazebo-ish structure at hyrule like I do XD
*Variety of approaches were nice
*You used a shorthop outta shield, which barely anyone uses online and that's a fact, mostly cause they use keys and it feels weird to do it on that. But I use keys too XD.

That's all, hope that was helpful and too bad we can't play together :(.
 
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onegoal...heaven

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Because you don't want ruin a chance. Also, the hitbox for the dair is small and so that's why people turn around and do a backwards dair, mainly because I think that it has a bigger hitbox or is less away from your defensive hitobox, the one where u get hurt. Another thing, you have to get close enough to them to hit them with the dair and so you don't want to ruin that chance. You saw in the video that he got hurt multiple times when he did a dair against the recovering ness, luckily he survived them. It's also better to use fair because it has a better range and will hit Ness earlier. Well, it's just that anything can happen and you might expect not gettin hit by the up b, but you'll end up gettin hurt, or there's a higher chance of gettin hurt. If this was a tournament, I wouldn't use it because you don't want to ruin that chance. It's better to do a move that gives better range even though it doesn't mean certain death. Only do a dair if ness is doing the up b below you and is going up. Also, it's good to use a utilt for edgeguard. It has a big hitbox.
 
Surri-Sama

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Heaven is replying as if the ness player is incredably good and understands all the hitbox ratios like most of us on kaillera ...actually i cant say that..like some of us on kaillera do
 
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