Video Game Mafia 2 - End of Line

[Dooplissity]

Because we want to have a weenie waving contest about who can be more coy instead of doing anything useful.

Does anyone have any actual scumreads? If Tom and Kevinm show up and seem town, where do we go?

 

[Pythag]

Because we want to have a weenie waving contest about who can be more coy instead of doing anything useful.

Does anyone have any actual scumreads? If Tom and Kevinm show up and seem town, where do we go?

Do you really think you can have actual reads?

I'm not asking to be annoying, I'm just wondering, it appears we can't trust our role pms, we can't trust what team we're even on.

Tom and KevinM are fine for me because they're not posting.

Maven seems fine to me.

Raxxel and Z25's response to Maven is striking me as odd.

I have NO idea what TK is doing. He's the mod, but he isn't. but he definitely sent everyone's pms. But he didn't.

I believe voting undecided will result in a Random lynch.

 

[Pythag]

EBWOP

When I said tom and kevin are fine with me, they're fine as lynch targets.

 

[Z25]

Why would that prohibit you from guessing?

It doesn’t but why guess when maven is being cryptic as hell and just saying kill Tom.

If he won’t give answers why should I put ideas out there?

 

[Z25]

i want to add that by saying he doesn’t know if he can answer or not, makes me feel like he’s fishing for information without giving any himself.

Which i don’t think looks good for a town player

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Utopian - ? (Z25, ?)

It appears that the “?” vote has moved to me. So it went Tom, to Z25, to me? Very curious.

i want to add that by saying he doesn’t know if he can answer or not, makes me feel like he’s fishing for information without giving any himself.

Which i don’t think looks good for a town player

Dude, how is Maven fishing for answers? He obviously knows something that we don’t. He probably unlocks something in his role by lynching Tom or something.

 

[Dooplissity]

Do you really think you can have actual reads?

I'm not asking to be annoying, I'm just wondering, it appears we can't trust our role pms, we can't trust what team we're even on.

Tom and KevinM are fine for me because they're not posting.

Maven seems fine to me.

Raxxel and Z25's response to Maven is striking me as odd.

I have NO idea what TK is doing. He's the mod, but he isn't. but he definitely sent everyone's pms. But he didn't.

I believe voting undecided will result in a Random lynch.

Uhh, my PM is pretty clear I'm town..

vote pythag

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not a fan of not being able to look at my phone at work.

Reading up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I actually would really like everyones' opinion on lynching TK. Good idea? Bad idea?

Not interested at this time.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Please kill Tom now

Are you a lyncher or we going for activity reasons?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That'd be boring. Plus, I'm not the master.

Also, whoever it is, you all should lynch soon~

Work for me and serve me.

I’ll save you from the evil king of the castle my princess. Or Mario, since I main Peach.

Lynch time?

 

[Z25]

It appears that the “?” vote has moved to me. So it went Tom, to Z25, to me? Very curious.




Dude, how is Maven fishing for answers? He obviously knows something that we don’t. He probably unlocks something in his role by lynching Tom or something.

Because he said maybe he could answer my questions but he had to check and yet we’ve heard nothing. He essentially wanted me to give him info I had and then I’d bet he would go “oh I can’t answer your question”

But fine I’ll give out some information because I don’t think it’s too big.

At the start of the game I received a pm from TK that said I should lynch Utopian today.

They said I would get something for it, but couldn’t clarify if it would help or hurt me.

They also asked me a strange question but I’d rather save that for later when I have more info on its purpose

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Theory, TK is someone’s Double vote similar to the “?” Vote.

This is my guess on this and I agree with earlier sentiments stated on this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Deku Palace started the game.

Tetris - Grandmaster started the day.

Doopliss Battle, Animal Crossing GCN, and Golden Sun were all during the day.

While it could be characters or hints, this seems pretty random on an overview.

Tbh I feel like music picks and the mod rarely mean something.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Did you like bingo Tom or something?

I mean sure, I can lend you my vote if you’re so confident, but I mean...

Unvote

Vote: Tom

Request Votecount

Why are you so deadset on this? Like I’m actually curious?

Why did you join here?

 

[Pythag]

Uhh, my PM is pretty clear I'm town..

vote pythag

Dang it, I was all set to smack you with a quote from the rules post...only to find that it says “I will NOT lie to you in your role PM” I am wrong then.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

We're on the same page, and I get that you're gently advocating rather than commanding, but I also think Scum have an incentive to get anyone but them cop checked.

I half way see this but I think players are thinking very outside of the box to think about shinanigans.

B game and all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll help you out some.

Whenever I'm using this color, I'm acting as Theo. This may help.

The previous VGM had Shifty (Happy Tree Friends). He ended up escaping this realm.

I need to catch up on this.

But are you giving or taking orders? Seems you let others do the dirty work?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Tbh I feel like music picks and the mod rarely mean something.

That was just reference for Z25.

Why did you join here?

Maven said lynch Tom because of reasons, so I'm trusting Maven enough to lend my vote to his push to see what it brings up. Once again, it's pretty clear that Maven knows something that we can't know about right now, because the Mafia could and would use the information that Maven has. Because of this, I am fine with him keeping his privacy for now. I don't really see a problem with following Maven for toDay, and see what kinds of fruit it will bring us toMorrow.



If you think back to Fire and Lighting 3 where Kary and I were the Comp Cop, we kept telling you all to kill Pokechu because of reasons. Those being that we were very important to the game. I feel as if Maven is in the same position here (?) which is why I'm down to go along with whatever plan he's trying to pull off.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: KevinM

I feel lyncher vibes with a hint of #HBC face from maven.

Z25 and UP give me better vibes but I feel this has a lot of information overload and why my reads feel weak.

I don’t trust Maven so gonna go for the other lunch.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I need to catch up on this.

But are you giving or taking orders? Seems you let others do the dirty work?

We're thinking that they are operating as two different entities, but this is an interesting theory as well. Thirdkoopa ?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Are you a lyncher

#HBC | Red Ryu , I figured that Maven must have had some type of information bingo on Tom, which is why it was so important for Maven to get Tom out. However, a lyncher? I hadn't yet considered this possibility (mostly because I completely forgot about indies).

Personally, I don't find lyncherMaven to be likely. Lynchers are anti-town, right? You'd think that Maven would find a better way of getting a Tom lynch across without blatantly yelling "Lynch Tom". I mean, wouldn't there be? I personally haven't played with a lyncher present, but I have read about them on mafiascumwiki.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

At the start of the game I received a pm from TK that said I should lynch Utopian today.

Excuse me, but what? Could you clarify? Let it be made clear that there is no reason to lynch me, so I'm not sure why the mod of all people would tell you that.

Unless I'm missing something, which is fine.

 

[Z25]

Excuse me, but what? Could you clarify? Let it be made clear that there is no reason to lynch me, so I'm not sure why the mod of all people would tell you that.

Unless I'm missing something, which is fine.

Not sure that was all I was told, that I’d get something out of it if town lynched you.

Which based on mavens cryptidness i would be he has something similar, because the only other person that would tell him to do something would be scummates.
Right now I’m betting maven received something like I did because as scum that would be a stupid move to just repeatedly request someone die because some mysterious force said too

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

because the only other person that would tell him to do something would be scummates.

Could you elaborate? Do you think that Maven is scum and his scummates told him to wagon Tom? Or did I misunderstand your point?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not sure that was all I was told, that I’d get something out of it if town lynched you.

Which based on mavens cryptidness i would be he has something similar, because the only other person that would tell him to do something would be scummates.
Right now I’m betting maven received something like I did because as scum that would be a stupid move to just repeatedly request someone die because some mysterious force said too

Vote: Z25

Bolded is a scum slip.

 

[Z25]

Could you elaborate? Do you think that Maven is scum and his scummates told him to wagon Tom? Or did I misunderstand your point?

I don’t think he’s scum.

I think he’s been given a similar or same request by TK(or one of TKs personalities) but to lynch Tom instead.

Like me he was probably promised something in return which is why he’s been pushing this so hard.

Scum wouldn’t do that as that’s too much attention on one of their teammates as no one is going to like someone saying to kill a person over and over

 

[Z25]

An idea I have actually.

Thirdkoopa is it true you reached out to me with a request?

 

[Dooplissity]

Vote: KevinM

I feel lyncher vibes with a hint of #HBC face from maven.

Z25 and UP give me better vibes but I feel this has a lot of information overload and why my reads feel weak.

I don’t trust Maven so gonna go for the other lunch.

I like this. vote kevinm

 

[Z25]

Also if I may ask you all something.

We’ve been seeing the orange text used and white text to differentiate third. But do any of your role pms use these colors.

For example, any pms I’ve received are in white written forms, which should be non mod TK. Has anyone received any in orange from Leo(that was their name right?)?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The wording if town lynched you versus if you were lynched.

Let wording implies z25 is not town.

 

[Z25]

The wording if town lynched you versus if you were lynched.

Let wording implies z25 is not town.

Who else would be lynching someone except town?

That’s why I used town. I don’t really get your point there.

My vote is only staying because I’m curious to see what would happen if I voted but the user wasn’t lynched.

I wanted to ask that but wasn’t getting clarification so I figured I’d try out my theory here. The more we know on the setup the better.


Also why would scum get rewards for lynches? Op game or not, that wouldn’t make any sense when scum could in theory do anything already based on TK’s pre game thread

 

[Raxxel]

Thirdkoopa Vote count? Specifically wanna see KevinM vs. Tom in terms of vote count. Both are inactives, but if I can avoid feeding into Maven, who has offered no real explanation for wanting Tom dead, while still offing an inactive, that would be great.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Scum wouldn’t do that as that’s too much attention on one of their teammates as no one is going to like someone saying to kill a person over and over

I'm sorry, I don't follow.

Vote: Z25

Bolded is a scum slip.

Hmm, I see where you're coming from.

If he's scum, then what do you make of his claim of "TK told me to lynch Utopian"?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Hmm, I see where you're coming from.

If he's scum, then what do you make of his claim of "TK told me to lynch Utopian"?

EBWOP

Hmm, I can see where you're coming from.

If he's indy/scum, then what do you make of his claim of "TK told me to lynch Utopian"?

(I keep on forgetting that indies are also possible. Hasn't been the case since my first game with Nabe)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Who else would be lynching someone except town?

That’s why I used town. I don’t really get your point there.

My vote is only staying because I’m curious to see what would happen if I voted but the user wasn’t lynched.

I wanted to ask that but wasn’t getting clarification so I figured I’d try out my theory here. The more we know on the setup the better.


Also why would scum get rewards for lynches? Op game or not, that wouldn’t make any sense when scum could in theory do anything already based on TK’s pre game thread

Scum is voting as well.

Getting everyone to vote is key here, but your specific wording is was to get Town to lynch Utopian.

Not for Utopian to be lynched but for Town to do it.

Town would not phrase a response like that. Scum only would when it is to convince the majority to do it when paraphrasing from a role pm.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm sorry, I don't follow.



Hmm, I see where you're coming from.

If he's scum, then what do you make of his claim of "TK told me to lynch Utopian"?

TK telling him to is less telling than how he worded his response to you.

 

[Z25]

I'm sorry, I don't follow.



Hmm, I see where you're coming from.

If he's scum, then what do you make of his claim of "TK told me to lynch Utopian"?

Look at this way,

Let’s say in theory maven was scum, all he has said this game is kill Tom, kill Tom, kill Tom.

As you see people like rax and any townies isn’t going to like that type of mentality when there is no reason, just an expressed angry that he wanted Tom dead. Which is caused maven to be focused up as the participants here(myself included) are wonder why he’s so ill thirsty.
That type of heat isn’t what a scum team would want. Just demanding lynches is how one would ultimately be lynched.

EBWOP

Hmm, I can see where you're coming from.

If he's indy/scum, then what do you make of his claim of "TK told me to lynch Utopian"?

(I keep on forgetting that indies are also possible. Hasn't been the case since my first game with Nabe)

You know I forgot indies too. I wouldn’t count out there being one but I hope there isn’t as thats a lot of chaos at play. Although maybe the Leo personality counts as this?

I really hope there’s no cult like third said there could be. Those are the worse to deal with

 

[Z25]

Scum is voting as well.

Getting everyone to vote is key here, but your specific wording is was to get Town to lynch Utopian.

Not for Utopian to be lynched but for Town to do it.

Town would not phrase a response like that. Scum only would when it is to convince the majority to do it when paraphrasing from a role pm.

I see your point there. I speak that way because I’ve always a townie, so I speak from the perspective that we as town would have to lynch.

Yes scum votes too, but scum still count as part of the town pool technically when voting. It’s not that scum get a separate from town, the town and scum all share the same vote under the guise of town.

I hope that’s clear enough of an explanation. I used town in that statement because scum or not it’s the whole town that’s voting

 

[Z25]

While we wait for vote results if we even get them, I want to test something:

Unvote

Vote: Theo