Utrick'd3 Mafia! Light at the end of the tunnel!

[Orboknown]

..swords/mfw reads?

 

[Vinylic.]

Swords is freaking aggro, telling bardull to cop him sounds like he's really pushy for one.
It's up to bardull to cop him, but I'm sure he's not interested in that. I'm not gonna say town, but I'm gonna go with a simple null until further notice.


And mfw is already here, so I'd like to see what he has to say for himself with his lurking.

 

[Orboknown]

>mfw can't see whos online wih mobile skin

 

[Vinylic.]

Oh, he's on mobile?

Okayyy, bardull copped him and gave out guilty, and then bardull said it wasn't exactly a guilty.
I'm just gonna go out and say that mfw's a wildcard.

 

[Orboknown]

I'm viewing mobile lol. Cant see whos online
Bardulls a flavor cop. He doesn't get alignment results, he sees what character they are

 

[>mfw this hydra]

Lynch Vinyl....

 

[Jdietz43]

Not since larger post.

Explain Rake hate. Then Soup.

You really want me to explain why the slot who faked a restriction letting him not speak at all for an entire day phase, had strange interactions with Soup, replaced out, did a 180 on Soup's alignment at the same time Soup did a 180 on him, and are now pushing me for bringing it up might be suspicious?

 

[Jdietz43]

And people: read the thread some. I'm really saddened by how many people are coming in here going "oh it was a fake restriction?" like they couldn't figure it out from the 4 pages devoted to me ferreting out that information, and then Rake speaking normally.

 

[Jdietz43]

Soup/Rake scum, Vinyl scum, Bardull Indy(?)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Great analysis on me defending my partner JDietz

 

[Vinylic.]

JD, self-reasoning for me as scum?

 

[Vinylic.]

To add in, why soup/rake?

Because that sounds pretty dumb.

 

[Jdietz43]

Right. The guy who made a shoddy case on Red Ryu and then did nothing D1 at all? JDietz, your paragraph on why Rake is scum is pretty bad considering it's a stretch and doesn't really have a tell as I explained, I don't know why Zen decided to fake something like that but it could've purely been for fun and there honestly isn't anything telling in a restriction; we don't lynch people because of them. Give actual reasoning or step it up, because that one paragraph already makes me dislike you.

That sounds exactly like what I would expect scum to dismiss it as, I'm not playing the Wifom game with Zen's intentions to keep Rake's slot around till lylo.

I might just skim the rest because it's honestly trivial and seemed like a long winded talk about Rake and his restriction, I didn't see anything worth delving into besides a couple of posts and that response >mfw just made.

"Let me just skim the most important part of the game so far, I'm sure it won't matter at all as long as I pretend it didn't exist"

 

[Jdietz43]

@Vinyl: Honestly because you don't seem to see the importance of Soup/Rake. You call Bardull and Orbo town when there isn't really much reason to (especially for Bardull imo). It just reads like bad scum fake-reads to me. You also aren't a slot I'd mind losing if wrong on, just like Soup/Rake.

 

[BarDulL]

That sounds exactly like what I would expect scum to dismiss it as, I'm not playing the Wifom game with Zen's intentions to keep Rake's slot around till lylo.




"Let me just skim the most important part of the game so far, I'm sure it won't matter at all as long as I pretend it didn't exist"

this is literally the dumbest thing ever.

 

[BarDulL]

pretty sure JD is just being fake and trying to put out a confident persona, but it's literally the most black and white bull**** i've ever read and completely narrow minded

 

[BarDulL]

mfw@indy read, how do you even have an indy read on me? how does that even begin to make sense?

why doesn't your logic for soup/rake scum apply to me?

ugh can we just blow up JD's computer or something

 

[Jdietz43]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZSXnrbs_k


It's what makes sense to me. You claim some kind of cop when you come back from nearly being ousted, don't get why Zen's fake restriction is important, and now have turned it against me. On the other hand you don't appear to be working with either Soup or Rake, therefore an Indy questionmark. It's possible you're just you, but I'm taking none of the chances this game so instead I have a hitlist of people I'd like dead and we can work from there.

 

[Swiss]

mfw@indy read, how do you even have an indy read on me? how does that even begin to make sense?

why doesn't your logic for soup/rake scum apply to me?

ugh can we just blow up JD's computer or something

I called you town you ****in ******.

 

[Vinylic.]

@Vinyl: Honestly because you don't seem to see the importance of Soup/Rake. You call Bardull and Orbo town when there isn't really much reason to (especially for Bardull imo). It just reads like bad scum fake-reads to me. You also aren't a slot I'd mind losing if wrong on, just like Soup/Rake.

I'm gonna ask you once more.

Why soup/rake?

 

[BarDulL]

I called you town you ****in ******.

you're still null, what of it?

 

[BarDulL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZSXnrbs_k


It's what makes sense to me. You claim some kind of cop when you come back from nearly being ousted, don't get why Zen's fake restriction is important, and now have turned it against me. On the other hand you don't appear to be working with either Soup or Rake, therefore an Indy questionmark. It's possible you're just you, but I'm taking none of the chances this game so instead I have a hitlist of people I'd like dead and we can work from there.

uh, dude, it's really simple. you're like trying not to look into rake's actions. you want to policy lynch rake on the presumption that rake is the biggest ****** on the planet.

 

[Orboknown]

I called you town you ****in ******.

He was talking to dietz swissai

Swiss in shining force you had two scum nailed d1. What happened differently here?

 

[Orboknown]

rake is the biggest ****** on the planet.

which he isn't.

 

[Orboknown]

Jd why you haring on zens 'restruction' so much? He does randomass **** all the time as town(see ryker mafia)


Mfw can't type the word mafia ror like a min on ipod

 

[Orboknown]

Restriction*for*

 

[BarDulL]

^lol, i knew something was off. i was like "wtf is swiss talking about." 5 points taken away from slytherin for not being more careful.

anyway like, jd, think for a second, if i was scum as rake, why the **** would i out that my restriction is fake? it's just...oh my goodness. the pm zen sent sounds exactly like something zen would do.

p.s. rake post ONLY the part zen wrote for your role pm since technically that isn't going against mod guidelines i think.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

YEP. Dietz rolled scum again. Someone give me a gun and i'll be putting you out of your damn misery.

That sounds exactly like what I would expect scum to dismiss it as, I'm not playing the Wifom game with Zen's intentions to keep Rake's slot around till lylo.

You didn't explain what he scum intentions were in detail and only went on about how somehow him faking a role restriction was a tell that he was scum, you said something along the lines of "he faked not being able to talk D1 so that makes him scum because scum doesn't want to talk D1!" There's nothing telling there at all, and if you really want me to believe that a faked restriction can make someone scum then you're out of your mind. You're doing that bravado thing i'm reminded in Epic Rap Battles, at least in the other games you were willing to work with me instead of just jumping to conclusions and then not even willing to answer why you did in the first place.

"Let me just skim the most important part of the game so far, I'm sure it won't matter at all as long as I pretend it didn't exist"

Line and ****ing sinker here. Attacking my statements lightly to where it fits into his agenda but not fully delving into because he knows he doesn't have ****, do I have to play strawman with you again? I explained that the rest of the pages were fodder, why is it sudden issue with me and how is me skimming make me a nonfactor when I said what I was doing and my purpose behind not reading it at all? ****ing please.

 

[Jdietz43]

Jd why you haring on zens 'restruction' so much? He does randomass **** all the time as town(see ryker mafia)


Mfw can't type the word mafia ror like a min on ipod

Because imo Zen always does "random" things for non-random reasons. There's always an overarching goal buried not to far beneath the strange means to and end. He chooses to be random instead of natural yes, but he uses that 'random' to reach non-random goals. In this case I can't shake the feeling this was Zen saying "What if I could get away with literally saying NOTHING D1, and maybe longer if people don't seem to care." There's no motivation as town for him to silence himself, but there is motivation for him as scum to see if he can get away scot free with being a total non-factor. Think about it: "it is a U'tricked after all". Thus why it was so important the restriction was fake: it means Zen decided to do it consciously and wasn't just assigned a role that happened to be that way.

I'm gonna ask you once more.

Why soup/rake?

Because Soup is inexorably intertwined with Zen. They fought each other through fake restrictions and all, and now that Rake is here they're turning it around to work together which to me is majorly suspicious after Soup went hardbody against Zen and vice versa. If one of them isn't scum I'd bet the rest of the donuts the other is. Similarly I can't rule out the possibility this was a terrible joint gambit gone wrong and now they're bailing out since it didn't work correctly, thus the sudden switch to being on good terms.

He was talking to dietz swissai

Swiss in shining force you had two scum nailed d1. What happened differently here?

Spoiler

I wasn't in D1 and Dark Horse is hydra'ing with him

 

[Orboknown]

Lol@spoiler text.
Alright, why isn' t it possible that rake has different reads then zen and soup likes rakes posts more? Is this svs or svt in your opinion( purty sure you wouldnt say tvt.)
Who's the third scum?

 

[Jdietz43]

YEP. Dietz rolled scum again. Someone give me a gun and i'll be putting you out of your damn misery.



You didn't explain what he scum intentions were in detail and only went on about how somehow him faking a role restriction was a tell that he was scum, you said something along the lines of "he faked not being able to talk D1 so that makes him scum because scum doesn't want to talk D1!" There's nothing telling there at all, and if you really want me to believe that a faked restriction can make someone scum then you're out of your mind. You're doing that bravado thing i'm reminded in Epic Rap Battles, at least in the other games you were willing to work with me instead of just jumping to conclusions and then not even willing to answer why you did in the first place.




Line and ****ing sinker here. Attacking my statements lightly to where it fits into his agenda but not fully delving into because he knows he doesn't have ****, do I have to play strawman with you again? I explained that the rest of the pages were fodder, why is it sudden issue with me and how is me skimming make me a nonfactor when I said what I was doing and my purpose behind not reading it at all? ****ing please.

I actually laughed just a little when I realized you were calling me out for something I just did. I honestly didn't think I had to explain out to everybody why Zen faking that restriction would be a benefit for Zenscum, I though it would be obvious to everyone immediately.

How would faking a restriction not be a scum-tell? I honestly don't get how you wouldn't raise red flags at that. That's a lie with no overt town purpose, it wasn't a gambit to help, it should have raised a "lynch all liars" flag immediately in every player.

And no, I've basically written you personally off as scum and needing death so I haven't been working with you at all.

 

[Vinylic.]

Soup, how many times were you being suspected as scum having someone else as a scumbuddy?

2?

 

[Orboknown]

Why does that matter?

 

[Jdietz43]

Lol@spoiler text.
Alright, why isn' t it possible that rake has different reads then zen and soup likes rakes posts more? Is this svs or svt in your opinion( purty sure you wouldnt say tvt.)
Who's the third scum?

It's possible, but I find it unlikely since I didn't personally see any real substance in Rake's play between the time he joined and the time Soup said he was ok with Rake now to warrent such a quick switch. I'll look at it and see.

As for whether it's SvS or SvT it's in the air. Considering they argued with each other there's a good chance of SvT off the bat, but the way things are I'd really like to kill them both just to be sure this wasn't any funny business.

Spoiler

I won't pretend I can't be wrong about both of them either, but I'm not about to back down from this stance until I see at least one of them flip or I'm out of the running.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: JDietz43

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I actually laughed just a little when I realized you were calling me out for something I just did. I honestly didn't think I had to explain out to everybody why Zen faking that restriction would be a benefit for Zenscum, I though it would be obvious to everyone immediately.

How would faking a restriction not be a scum-tell? I honestly don't get how you wouldn't raise red flags at that. That's a lie with no overt town purpose, it wasn't a gambit to help, it should have raised a "lynch all liars" flag immediately in every player.

And no, I've basically written you personally off as scum and needing death so I haven't been working with you at all.

1) Making excuses for his own play
2) Backing up statements without logic
3) OMGUSing same feelings after player gives them chase

bag and gag.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

^lol, i knew something was off. i was like "wtf is swiss talking about." 5 points taken away from slytherin for not being more careful.

anyway like, jd, think for a second, if i was scum as rake, why the **** would i out that my restriction is fake? it's just...oh my goodness. the pm zen sent sounds exactly like something zen would do.

p.s. rake post ONLY the part zen wrote for your role pm since technically that isn't going against mod guidelines i think.

Glyph said i had to paraphrase even Zen's pm, so that idea has been shot down.
I also do not understand why it would be against the rules since Zens contains no role info at all.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Once again,if i was scum with a buddy of Soup, and seeing how he and Zen were fighting, I would have kept it up and done anything but 180 on him because it would look suspicious.

I would have also not switched as many reads and likely would have just hopped on Zen's reads so i could coast off them for a while.

I switched cuz I didn't agree with his reads.
That simple.

 

[BarDulL]

technically glyph can't prove that zen sent you that pm, so it's a gray area. for all we know, this could just be a giant gambit of yours, so something smells funky here.

 

[Jdietz43]

1) Making excuses for his own play
2) Backing up statements without logic
3) OMGUSing same feelings after player gives them chase

bag and gag.

I noticed you chose to do what you claim I like to do as scum to me instead of answering the questions. There was not a statement without logic, you're blatantly ignoring it. It's not an excuse it's a fact that I assumed people would understand basic mafia logic and scum motivation to essentially give themselves a free pass to be inactive.


Do you really want to do this Soup? Because this game I'm not using scum bravado, I'm just using regular bravado. And I decided when I replaced in either you or Zen's slot was going belly up by tomorrow.