Quil
Smash Apprentice
Whenever I play as Jiggs, I often find myself using fair and bair over nair almost always. are there any advantages to the nair? What strategies are there?
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Usefullness of the nair?
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Wilhelmsan
Smash Lord
If your enemy breaks through your wall of pain, nair can lead into bairs and fairs. You might want to use this against Foxes.
A viable sex kick with so-so priority but awesome speed and a good hitbox. If anything you should be throwing nairs along with all your other aerials just to keep them guessing.
EDIT: but Fair is still better.
A viable sex kick with so-so priority but awesome speed and a good hitbox. If anything you should be throwing nairs along with all your other aerials just to keep them guessing.
EDIT: but Fair is still better.
doyoung2win
Smash Ace
comes out fast, stays out long, weird knockback that sets up for other attacks, autocancels.
your red one is missing a bow
your red one is missing a bow
im2emo4myshrt
Smash Apprentice
it is also quite useful when edge guarding a fox or a falco. Because it stays out there so long and has better priority.
Pointman Rob
Smash Journeyman
Jumping out of shield with the nair is definitely one of its most practical uses. I like to fall on recovering space animals with it too.
Let's not forget its best use though. King Combo, nair to rest. Money every time. >: 3
Let's not forget its best use though. King Combo, nair to rest. Money every time. >: 3
Quil
Smash Apprentice
extending this further, what about the utilt? How often should that be used, and what are good ways to get someone caught in it?
Kaizer
Smash Journeyman
- Utilt -> rest on fastfallers.
- Utilt can also be a nice combo starter. I.E. utilt -> WoP.
CC -> utilt is very nice. You could also WD -> utilt, or utilt from shield. And sidestep -> utilt. Many oppertunities!
- Utilt can also be a nice combo starter. I.E. utilt -> WoP.
CC -> utilt is very nice. You could also WD -> utilt, or utilt from shield. And sidestep -> utilt. Many oppertunities!
Dr. Hyde
Smash Ace
Nair = sexiness
Up tilt= less sexy
I think that the nair can be a little more useful but over using it means you ain/t WoPing and if you aren't you are either in trouble or comboing them to death with Uair and REst.
Up tilt= less sexy
I think that the nair can be a little more useful but over using it means you ain/t WoPing and if you aren't you are either in trouble or comboing them to death with Uair and REst.
HyugaRicdeau
Baller/Shot-caller
Nair isn't part of your wall of pain generally, but it has many uses.
Often as Jigglypuff you'll find yourself above an opponent while you're trying to get down onto the ground. I find that sudden fastfall nairs are a good way to get down safely. Jiggly doesn't fall very fast, but if you fastfall from the peak of a jump, it looks a lot faster (since you accelerate to fastfall immediately instead of gradually floating down).
Now, you could just as well dair, it's true, however it has more lag when you land, and also doesn't autocancel after the last frame of hitbox like nair does. There is a time and a place for each.
The nair has 2 hitboxes. One is right under Jiggly, and the other is kind of centered around her little flipper. The flipper hitbox has a LOT more priority. Use this knowledge to your advantage. One way this helps is with ledgehop nairs as a safe way to get back on the stage. If you do it right, you can move quite far in with it.
I notice that few people can tech the weak nair hits reliably, this sets them up for fsmash or dash attack (Jiggly's dash attack is very underused IMO).
Often as Jigglypuff you'll find yourself above an opponent while you're trying to get down onto the ground. I find that sudden fastfall nairs are a good way to get down safely. Jiggly doesn't fall very fast, but if you fastfall from the peak of a jump, it looks a lot faster (since you accelerate to fastfall immediately instead of gradually floating down).
Now, you could just as well dair, it's true, however it has more lag when you land, and also doesn't autocancel after the last frame of hitbox like nair does. There is a time and a place for each.
The nair has 2 hitboxes. One is right under Jiggly, and the other is kind of centered around her little flipper. The flipper hitbox has a LOT more priority. Use this knowledge to your advantage. One way this helps is with ledgehop nairs as a safe way to get back on the stage. If you do it right, you can move quite far in with it.
I notice that few people can tech the weak nair hits reliably, this sets them up for fsmash or dash attack (Jiggly's dash attack is very underused IMO).
TheLegend
Smash Ace
Flipper Hits Ftw
im2emo4myshrt
Smash Apprentice
What is so special about auto-canceling for the nair? I don't understand how it is any different than an l-cancel. Sorry if thats a stupid question, but I am confused, and i couldn't find nething with a search.
HyugaRicdeau
Baller/Shot-caller
Auto-cancel means you only have landing lag (aka 4 frames). This is less than the normal L-cancel lag of 10 frames for nair.
Even though nair actually lasts 49 frames, it auto-cancels on the 29th, which is the frame right after the hitbox disappears. So, if you land on the 29th or later frame you have the least amount of lag possible, less than if you Lcancel (which you don't need to do if you auto cancel). Most aerials have some window where they can be autocancelled (generally it is after the hitbox goes away but before the end of the actual duration of the move).
Try this: Do a short hop nair, but nair RIGHT as soon as you jump. You'll still be in the nair animation as you land, but when you land there won't be any lag because it will have autocancelled. This is what makes the Nair-rest combo possible.
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/Jigglypuff_frames_11.6.05.txt
Even though nair actually lasts 49 frames, it auto-cancels on the 29th, which is the frame right after the hitbox disappears. So, if you land on the 29th or later frame you have the least amount of lag possible, less than if you Lcancel (which you don't need to do if you auto cancel). Most aerials have some window where they can be autocancelled (generally it is after the hitbox goes away but before the end of the actual duration of the move).
Try this: Do a short hop nair, but nair RIGHT as soon as you jump. You'll still be in the nair animation as you land, but when you land there won't be any lag because it will have autocancelled. This is what makes the Nair-rest combo possible.
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/Jigglypuff_frames_11.6.05.txt
im2emo4myshrt
Smash Apprentice
^^
Okay, that makes more sense. Thanks.
Okay, that makes more sense. Thanks.
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Um the nair is definitely useful when u want to hit them while DI\'ing behind them. I agree with kind combo which works rly well and is unexpected. The u-tilt is prolly better though because it works against almost every1 at low damages to combo. My favorite combo involving u-tilt is definitely bair u-tilt then either rest or WoP. Bair >> u-tilt is definitely an easy way to rest the majority of characters from 0%. BTW just so every knows samus can be rest combo\'ed at above 50% with insane follow up.
TheLegend
Smash Ace
Bob Money is a sexy man
RPK
Smash Lord
w00t Bob Money!! YOU BETTER COME TO FANIME!!! xD :3
btw how would you DI Doc's Downsmash anyways?
btw how would you DI Doc's Downsmash anyways?
doyoung2win
Smash Ace
quarter circle di up and towards the stage.
thesage
Smash Hero
If people still don't understand autocancel then shff dair with Ness. This is also known as foot cancelling.
ChronoSquare
Smash Ace
At lower percentages, I've found that Utilt can lead to rest on pretty much any character. I don't recall how I did it, but when my friend tried to go Marth on me in a tournament match I got three Utilt > Rests on him so fast, he forfeited his last stock.