Gheb being on both wagons doesn't have a tell because of the way that he joined the wagons. I explained the J wagon thing above, and he joined the Rake wagon D1 when it looked like there was going to be no other alternative lynch to Rake.
Regarding Sang:
Did you ever show these results, Sang?
I was looking for a quote and came upon this. How is this a good basis to read Ryu by? What is your actual read on Ryu this entire game, talk to me about his actions.
I wonder why there has been no follow up with this.
To the first, I did. It's what I found with JD in my 1119. The reason I was waiting was because, as I explained, I didn't have enough to go off of at that point because we hadn't seen a flip on J and because I wanted more from JD. I actually wanted to wait until more into toDay but I realized that it's basically impossible to put off any longer. The manner in which he joined both wagons was scummy, IMO, but I wanted to read more from him and what was happening around it before I made a statement.
It was, at the time, a good basis to read Ryu by because he had done nothing but focus your slot D1 into D2. Like, a hard tunnel, which was really scummy. It was still something I was uncomfortable with but when he started posting more I liked him because he was posting more and not just hard focusing your slot. Regarding the rest, look above at my response to Gheb.
As for my 671, there was a follow-up, to which you even commented on. It was my 703. Since then, my read on Gheb has changed as that was early D2 and he was not my main focus then.
I'm also not feeling good about the fact that Sang's reasoning to dislike me boils down to "He was on the wrong wagons" and is a direct piggyback on Kary's post.
This post is hollow. Why is me being on every wagon (which for the record is a lame thing to harp on since literally every wagon in the game has been incorrect) bad, but at the end of the post in turn Gheb being on both wagons means nothing?
Where was this suspicion yesterday while we were playing? I have trouble believing that this post isn't filler entirely based on echoing what Kary said when he tipped his hand a bit into thread as to what his background thoughts were.
Is the fact that Kary agrees with the stance telling considering you're currently pushing Kary/Dietz?
It doesn't boil down to that, at least not from where I'm standing, but it did lead me to look more into your slot. Maybe I didn't explain fully, but it's not just that you were wrong on the wagons or 'on the wrong wagons'. You've been wrong about almost every read that you have posted (besides Soup/ran suspicion, which I think you've already dropped if the end of your post is any indication?) which, if we're being honest, you haven't really posted reads. Like, I do not recall you ever making a solid standpoint about your reads that you stuck by except the wagons. And, it's not really that you were on the wrong wagons. It's how you joined them. I would still find it suspicious if, say, J were to flip scum, honestly. You gave hardly any suspicion to Rake D1 until your vote, and you did the same with J D2. It all looks pretty suspicious to me.
I explained above why, from my perspective, Gheb being on both wagons is not a bad thing. And, again, it's not that you were on both but how you joined both. My suspicion didn't really start until near the end of D2 when I re-read because, honestly, I didn't remember much if any of your play throughout the Day. I wanted to keep it vague until I looked through it again because I wanted to have a full understanding if I was right. It was not based on echoing what Kary said. I actually don't see how my post was echoing what Kary said beyond it being suspicious, so I would appreciate if you could explain that bit to me.
It's not all that telling, honestly, as it could be a case of distancing. I read you two as scum separately, but if I'm right on you I may look at Kary a bit better.
