Ultimate Super Smash Bros. 64 Hack/ GS Hack/ Mod

[felipe_9595]

We have different ideals. To merge them that means that we would have Falcons Knee, sidestepping, and we don'tw want that. We just want to balance low tiers.

Except Maafia, who wants more content which i am sort of in-favor of.

... you literally named the 2 things that makes the hack "different". Also, Falcon knee is just a visual effect, it has the same knockback than his nair (with an electric hit to make it look like in Melee). Sidestepping is not much of a change too because it's triggered by the taunt input (which means it doesn't work OOS). Also, Falcon is the only changed high tier, aside from the Nair/Knee thing, it has a buffed Hspeed for Up B and more vertical speed for Falcon punch. Pikachu and Kirby are untouched (Fox has a better up b, more close to Melee's Fox but it's esentially the same)

And even if people's opinion differs, we don't see major tournaments hosting P:M 3.0 instead of 3.5. If something is standarized, most of people will go for the "latest" patch.

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

... you literally named the 2 things that makes the hack "different". Also, Falcon knee is just a visual effect, it has the same knockback than his nair (with an electric hit to make it look like in Melee). Sidestepping is not much of a change too because it's triggered by the taunt input (which means it doesn't work OOS). Also, Falcon is the only changed high tier, aside from the Nair/Knee thing, it has a buffed Hspeed for Up B and more vertical speed for Falcon punch. Pikachu and Kirby are untouched (Fox has a better up b, more close to Melee's Fox but it's esentially the same)

And even if people's opinion differs, we don't see major tournaments hosting P:M 3.0 instead of 3.5. If something is standarized, most of people will go for the "latest" patch.

I think working together is a good idea, madao told me the more people working on the game the more knowledge we get (I think thats sorta what he said)
I'll try to help you, but in the end we'll have 2 Separate Rom hacks :3

 

[Kahnu]

I think working together is a good idea, madao told me the more people working on the game the more knowledge we get (I think thats sorta what he said)
I'll try to help you, but in the end we'll have 2 Separate Rom hacks :3

3.

 

[Madao]

... you literally named the 2 things that makes the hack "different". Also, Falcon knee is just a visual effect, it has the same knockback than his nair (with an electric hit to make it look like in Melee). Sidestepping is not much of a change too because it's triggered by the taunt input (which means it doesn't work OOS). Also, Falcon is the only changed high tier, aside from the Nair/Knee thing, it has a buffed Hspeed for Up B and more vertical speed for Falcon punch. Pikachu and Kirby are untouched (Fox has a better up b, more close to Melee's Fox but it's esentially the same)

And even if people's opinion differs, we don't see major tournaments hosting P:M 3.0 instead of 3.5. If something is standarized, most of people will go for the "latest" patch.

I don't know who you have in mind that is interested in modifying this game, but I think most players in this community are not that interested in an actual game mod. Some minor changes like adding stages, quickmatch, etc are fine and could become popular, but I have my doubts about editing characters. All I'm really saying is that I don't think it will be that popular, but it's still worth doing for fun. To me, it doesn't matter if nobody else likes my changes. I play with my own hacks for the lols .

Project M is a different community. What you say may be true that they host 3.5 (idek lol), but this community hasn't even upgraded emulators!

Only thing im worried about is switching between games, since I go to Smash 64 tournaments,

This is an example of a common concern among smash 64 players.

3.

More like 4 .

 

[Kahnu]

I don't know who you have in mind that is interested in modifying this game, but I think most players in this community are not that interested in an actual game mod. Some minor changes like adding stages, quickmatch, etc are fine and could become popular, but I have my doubts about editing characters. All I'm really saying is that I don't think it will be that popular, but it's still worth doing for fun. To me, it doesn't matter if nobody else likes my changes. I play with my own hacks for the lols .

Project M is a different community. What you say may be true that they host 3.5 (idek lol), but this community hasn't even upgraded emulators!
This is an example of a common concern among smash 64 players.
More like 4 .

I'm with you Madao.

Balance Hack
felipe
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[THE_MAAFIA]

DID YOU GUYS SEE WHAT PROJECT M DID?! SNAKE WAS IN HIS MGS 1 COSTUME AS IF IT WAS N64 OMG IM DYING

 

[Kahnu]

DID YOU GUYS SEE WHAT PROJECT M DID?! SNAKE WAS IN HIS MGS 1 COSTUME AS IF IT WAS N64 OMG IM DYING

thats pm mod...

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

thats pm mod...

lol I know that, but still, it looked amazing

 

[Kahnu]

lol I know that, but still, it looked amazing

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64 master race, why do you want brawl chars in 64?

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

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64 master race, why do you want brawl chars in 64?

Because I LOVE metal gear solid ^-^ lol

 

[Madao]

@ THE_MAAFIA I just started testing out zoinkity's file inserter and it works great. I'm going to try devoting more time to this stuff. Let me know when you're free to start working on it. I helped out Danny too, so I think we will see some interesting stuff in the near future.

 

[Kahnu]

@ THE_MAAFIA I just started testing out zoinkity's file inserter and it works great. I'm going to try devoting more time to this stuff. Let me know when you're free to start working on it. I helped out Danny too, so I think we will see some interesting stuff in the near future.

DOES NOT MENTION KAHNU BECAUSE KAHNU IS BAD

 

[Madao]

Does not mention Kahnu because Kahnu is bad

Sorry forgot to mention you . Yes @ Kahnu wants to get started as well! Hopefully @ Tcll can join in too .

 

[Kahnu]

Sorry forgot to mention you . Yes @ Kahnu wants to get started as well! Hopefully @ Tcll can join in too .

Model data hype. Pls.

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

@ THE_MAAFIA I just started testing out zoinkity's file inserter and it works great. I'm going to try devoting more time to this stuff. Let me know when you're free to start working on it. I helped out Danny too, so I think we will see some interesting stuff in the near future.

Honestly I dont know what that means but it sounds awesome! I gotta do a whole bunch of crap today (Projects, SAT registration, celebrate sisters birth day (She's turning 22 yay)) But if you want we could do some stuff asap tomorrow

 

[Kahnu]

Honestly I dont know what that means but it sounds awesome! I gotta do a whole bunch of crap today (Projects, SAT registration, celebrate sisters birth day (She's turning 22 yay)) But if you want we could do some stuff asap tomorrow

madao finally decided he would be finishing the GUI to put files freely in the game like resource files from decompressed rom, with automatic compressor

something like that i'm stupid right now

right now madao found yoshi resource file easy fast and im like lol wow kid wtf and hes like swag boiizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Madao]

Ok finished the basic GUI. All you do is put all the files in the same folder, then open gui, type in the file names and click the button .

Honestly I dont know what that means but it sounds awesome! I gotta do a whole bunch of crap today (Projects, SAT registration, celebrate sisters birth day (She's turning 22 yay)) But if you want we could do some stuff asap tomorrow

Alright, tomorrow sounds good. Can you that of small and easy things you want to change in the game? Some of your goals are hard, so it's best to start easy and work your way through it. Like for me, I edit hitbox data and character physics. I made Luigi better . I understand you're more about adding content rather than modifying, but there may still be something you can do soon.

madao finally decided he would be finishing the GUI to put files freely in the game like resource files from decompressed rom, with automatic compressor

All the GUI really does is automate the compression process. So that you don't have to enter cmd commands. Anyway try exploring data, or at the very least, motivate @ Tcll to get started xD.

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

Ok finished the basic GUI. All you do is put all the files in the same folder, then open gui, type in the file names and click the button .

Alright, tomorrow sounds good. Can you that of small and easy things you want to change in the game? Some of your goals are hard, so it's best to start easy and work your way through it. Like for me, I edit hitbox data and character physics. I made Luigi better . I understand you're more about adding content rather than modifying, but there may still be something you can do soon.
All the GUI really does is automate the compression process. So that you don't have to enter cmd commands. Anyway try exploring data, or at the very least, motivate @ Tcll to get started xD.

Sure, hit box physics sounds cool! So can you create whole new hit boxes or swapping around existing ones? :3 and I'm unsure on what to change first X3 if you want you can make the first call and I'll follow along! Btw Id love to test out that new luigi you created
Gnight guys

 

[Kahnu]

God I hated the CMD commands.

 

[Tcll]

or at the very least, motivate @ Tcll to get started xD.

riiiiiiight... good luck with that

rmbr what I told you on skype, that's exactly what I have to do next before I can get any further... heh
I can't hit that up until after I update (after releasing) 3.0a, where I can work on 3.0 with ease

 

[William5000000]

If it is possible, that would actually be very cool.

 

[felipe_9595]

@ Madao @ Kahnu Woul be, in theory, possible to expand a rom, insert, for example, a new texture to the rom, then redirect the load of a certain texture to the new one?? I know if i make a new texture with the same exact filesize and format it would load that one but inserting new stuff would be more useful for the future.

Btw expect a release of USB in the near future, the file replacer is a incredible speed up (We will not need to create stage, character, port specific codes for every single character in the game LOL)

 

[Madao]

@ Madao @ Kahnu Woul be, in theory, possible to expand a rom, insert, for example, a new texture to the rom, then redirect the load of a certain texture to the new one?? I know if i make a new texture with the same exact filesize and format it would load that one but inserting new stuff would be more useful for the future.

Btw expect a release of USB in the near future, the file replacer is a incredible speed up (We will not need to create stage, character, port specific codes for every single character in the game LOL)

Yes it's possible to expand a rom and insert a new texture, as long as the n64 hardware would normally be able to work with it. So I don't think HD textures would work. Just so you know, the PAL version is 32mb while NTSC is 16mb. So expanding to 32 should be feasible.

I would like for you guys to start documenting information (if you haven't already). I have been pretty sloppy throughout my time, so my documentation is not good. It's a hassle for me to make rom hacks because I did not keep track of offsets good enough. I may try getting help from certain people. I myself will try finding out what some of the files do.

 

[felipe_9595]

Yes it's possible to expand a rom and insert a new texture, as long as the n64 hardware would normally be able to work with it. So I don't think HD textures would work. Just so you know, the PAL version is 32mb while NTSC is 16mb. So expanding to 32 should be feasible.

I would like for you guys to start documenting information (if you haven't already). I have been pretty sloppy throughout my time, so my documentation is not good. It's a hassle for me to make rom hacks because I did not keep track of offsets good enough. I may try getting help from certain people. I myself will try finding out what some of the files do.

Danny has all the documentation you need regarding stage blastzones, ledges, and character's hitboxes/properties. we made sure to take care of that.

EDIT: Also, yeah i know HD textures would flop, i just need to insert a small logo to the title screen. I am not fluent in assembly or how 64 code works (i have seen some of your work regarding creating override functions and then turning them into gameshark, would be possible to load and display, in this same way, an extra texture in the title screen?)

 

[Kahnu]

Danny has all the documentation you need regarding stage blastzones, ledges, and character's hitboxes/properties. we made sure to take care of that.

EDIT: Also, yeah i know HD textures would flop, i just need to insert a small logo to the title screen. I am not fluent in assembly or how 64 code works (i have seen some of your work regarding creating override functions and then turning them into gameshark, would be possible to load and display, in this same way, an extra texture in the title screen?)

I remember that there was a universal tool for any 64 game to automatically embed a bmp into it as long as you knew where the location of the texture was in the rom

ill look for it tommorow

 

[Tcll]

it's a shame the only linux emu is Mupen64

everything else is for filthy windows >3<

meaning the only option I have is direct ROM editing when it comes to hacking

anyone else here who can program want to port an emulator to Linux??
you'll have to throw away DirectX support... not sure why developers like that better when OpenGL is far superior >_>

 

[tehz]

@ Madao do you think we could get something for 64 coding/documentation like what dan got just for Melee? I'd be more than happy to share what I've documented so far (although none of my documentation has to deal with the rom), and help make tutorials (like my unfinished how to use gameshark)

@ Tcll maybe just pray that cen64 gets finished (lol)? http://forums.cen64.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=162

 

[Madao]

Danny has all the documentation you need regarding stage blastzones, ledges, and character's hitboxes/properties. we made sure to take care of that.

EDIT: Also, yeah i know HD textures would flop, i just need to insert a small logo to the title screen. I am not fluent in assembly or how 64 code works (i have seen some of your work regarding creating override functions and then turning them into gameshark, would be possible to load and display, in this same way, an extra texture in the title screen?)

Now we need to start documenting the individual files.

Unfortunately, I'm not that good at hacking. I've never modified textures in an N64 game before. I'll have to learn a lot. It should be possible to do what you're trying to do though. I mean someone made SM64 Multiplayer hack! Pretty impressive imo.

it's a shame the only linux emu is Mupen64

everything else is for filthy windows >3<

meaning the only option I have is direct ROM editing when it comes to hacking

anyone else here who can program want to port an emulator to Linux??
you'll have to throw away DirectX support... not sure why developers like that better when OpenGL is far superior >_>

There are other emu's like MAME. I hear it has a debugger too. Only problem is that the emulator is slow, due to the fact that it prioritizes accuracy. No one here codes for emulators though. Maybe you could try m64p. Imo it's better than the original one (when you're using linux). Not sure how good their debugger is though.

@ Madao do you think we could get something for 64 coding/documentation like what dan got just for Melee? I'd be more than happy to share what I've documented so far (although none of my documentation has to deal with the rom), and help make tutorials (like my unfinished how to use gameshark)

I think after we collect enough material, it may be possible to have a dedicated section. First I want to collect a lot of information though. For now, I think I may start adding more info to a wiki.
http://opensa.dantarion.com/
http://www.ssbwiki.com/

 

[felipe_9595]

@ Madao @ Kahnu Danny found something really interesting

While messing with Nemu, he found a memory adress that made characters unable to do certain attacks. He noticed all the normal character had this adress set to the same value. Except for the polygons. Changing its value to match the one the normal characters use make them able to do special attacks.

What does this means??? with a bit of work we could go the Brawl way and use the slot of the polygons to create characters

EDIT: If you wanna test yourself, for Dreamland, the memory adress is 002E0E38 , if you are polygon mario you will find this value: FFFC0000, change it to FFFFFFF0

 

[Kahnu]

@ Madao @ Kahnu Danny found something really interesting

While messing with Nemu, he found a memory adress that made characters unable to do certain attacks. He noticed all the normal character had this adress set to the same value. Except for the polygons. Changing its value to match the one the normal characters use make them able to do special attacks.

What does this means??? with a bit of work we could go the Brawl way and use the slot of the polygons to create characters

EDIT: If you wanna test yourself, for Dreamland, the memory adress is 002E0E38 , if you are polygon mario you will find this value: FFFC0000, change it to FFFFFFF0

This was an AMAZING find.
Gonna post pics l8er.

Edit: Didn't work. I went to the address and changed the value. I still couldn't use specials. Post pics pls?

 

[Madao]

@ Madao @ Kahnu Danny found something really interesting

While messing with Nemu, he found a memory adress that made characters unable to do certain attacks. He noticed all the normal character had this adress set to the same value. Except for the polygons. Changing its value to match the one the normal characters use make them able to do special attacks.

What does this means??? with a bit of work we could go the Brawl way and use the slot of the polygons to create characters

EDIT: If you wanna test yourself, for Dreamland, the memory adress is 002E0E38 , if you are polygon mario you will find this value: FFFC0000, change it to FFFFFFF0

Nice! I found an issue though. Some moves will freeze the game, unless the regular character is also loaded in the match. It's going to require a lot of code change I think, in order to make specials work. One good example of crashing, is using polygon samus. Down B and taunt crash the game, and charge special doesn't work. Yet if I do samus VS polygon samus, it all works.

That variable seems to be part of the same structure as the character physics data.

 

[felipe_9595]

Nice! I found an issue though. Some moves will freeze the game, unless the regular character is also loaded in the match. It's going to require a lot of code change I think, in order to make specials work. One good example of crashing, is using polygon samus. Down B and taunt crash the game, and charge special doesn't work. Yet if I do samus VS polygon samus, it all works.

That variable seems to be part of the same structure as the character physics data.

P.Mario fireballs also don't work unless Mario is loaded. Seems like projectiles are a shared stat

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

Oh my god this is so exciting :3

 

[Kahnu]

P.Mario fireballs also don't work unless Mario is loaded. Seems like projectiles are a shared stat

So thats why it didn't work for me.
rip polygons

 

[felipe_9595]

So thats why it didn't work for me.
rip polygons

But you could use Up nd Down b lol, it seems like is just a projectile related problem

In a non related comment, we are making a Ganondorf over P.Falcon PSA. Weak item throw forwardas jab FTW hahahaha

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

But you could use Up nd Down b lol, it seems like is just a projectile related problem

In a non related comment, we are making a Ganondorf over P.Falcon PSA. Weak item throw forwardas jab FTW hahahaha

Dude that's awesome!

 

[Kahnu]

Dude that's awesome!

If you want I'll teach you how to use PSA today if you're online. It's really not that hard.

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

If you want I'll teach you how to use PSA today if you're online. It's really not that hard.

Going to a wedding today but that sounds extremely hype!!!!
Edit: oh and does polygon jiggly's up b work?

 

[felipe_9595]

Sooooooooooo, Widescreen Smash 64 anyone?