Uber List - Should it be Changed? "Possible SmashBoards Uber List"

[Sariku]

We all know what an Uber is, atleast if your into Competative Battling. An Uber is a Pokemon who's Stats are too high, or has too great a movepool to battle against the average Pokemon. The Pokemon in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl that are Uber are just below:

Some Pokemon that are considered, or argued to be Uber are :

There may be more, but I'll run out of room if I just post pictures. I guess what I'm trying to say is, Should there be a SmashBoards ONLY Uber List? I mean, we did create the Tier List for Super Smash Bros. While we can't make the Official Pokemon one, do you think WE should make one? It could only be for people who play on SmashBoards, and others who decide to play by our rules, but you see where I'm coming from.

So, should we do it? Why or Why not?

 

[MysticKenji]

I think we should stick with the normal Uber list.

Also, Celebi is not not Uber due to bad typing (Grass/Psychic???) and Slaking is not uber due to Truant. IDK about Wynaut and Jirachi.

 

[9Kplus1]

Celebi,Jirachi OR Manaphy aern't Uber, Slaking sholudn't be Uber and Giratina shouldn't be Uber either. Shaymin is only Uber until available outside of the glitch or hacking.

 

[Icon_of_Sin]

I think we should ignore any kind of list. Of course, I'm the only one who thinks this... Seriously though a list might be helpful, seeing as to how there are a few pokemon sitting on the borderline between uber and um, not uber. We'll have to see what the "pokemon gifted" members think.

edit: no offence with the "pokemon gifted" bit, thought i would be first to post...just in case that does offend you...

 

[9Kplus1]

I think we should ignore any kind of list. Of course, I'm the only one who thinks this... Seriously though a list might be helpful, seeing as to how there are a few pokemon sitting on the borderline between uber and um, not uber. We'll have to see what the "pokemon gifted" members think.

Every site that has a competitive battling needs a Tier List-

Uber

OU

BL

UU

NU

 

[mood4food77]

manaphy is uber, shaymin is not uber, jirachi isn't uber either, and celebi has way too many weaknesses to be considered uber

wynat is uber though cause of it's ability and attakcs

 

[Sariku]

Most of us KNOW why their not Uber, or are Uber, but should anything be changed?

 

[mood4food77]

no, it's about right

the uber pokes are pokes that pretty much absolutely **** the rest of the pokes

 

[Sariku]

no, it's about right

the uber pokes are pokes that pretty much absolutely **** the rest of the pokes

But other Pokemon that aren't Uber should stay that way? I personally think that Wynaut should be Uber due to the fact that he can almost always take down one or two Pokemon, no matter their level. Then like Latias and Latios SHOUDLN'T be Uber as long as they don't have Soul Jew.

 

[victra♥]

huh. I didn't know Slaking is uber... Mentioned above, why would he be? He has the ability Truant which is so lame.

 

[mood4food77]

uhh, you can't counter latios or latias in standard metagame with the exception of blissey

pretty much, blissey is the only poke that cna handle uber metagame, that be the only poke i'd consider on the uber list and it isn't going to be on it anytime soon

 

[Kirby knight]

Could someone link me to a page listing facts as to why Manaphy is on the ubers list? It seems like it barely has been tested before being sent off into ubers. On Wifi I haven't had much trouble with the Manaphy's I've encounters. They ether Tail Glow Sweep, Rain Rest, Or try Rain rest sweeping with Surf as an attacking move.

The Tail Glow Sweeper is stopped simply by attacking it, Sure Manaphy is going to sweep your team if you let it set up, but really who lets a pokemon set up on purpose?

The Rain Rest set is fairly durable and annoying to kill, but that's about it. It provides almost no offensive cabablites (unless for some reason your foe doesn't have a special wall), It reminds me of Blissey, annoying but beatable without having the capablites to sweep half your team like other ubers like Mewtwo.

The Rainrest sweeper set is the only Manaphy set that could be considered a real threat by combining both aspects of the previous set. Rain Dance/Rest/ Tail Glow/ Surf at set like this is walled by almost all water type pokemon, roar/phazed out, depending on the ev's given to Manaphy it may not be fast enough to sweep a team or defensive enough to withstand attacks while resting/setting up to sweep. CM Blissey gives it a run for it's money, as does Spirtomb with or without CM because it's eats Manaphy's Surf pp up so quickly. ( Vaporeon walls it)

With the Rainrest sweeper set Manaphy has to mulitask a bit to much, Either being to slow or too defensive, not to mention the fear of running out of PP because it only has one move.

I'm not saying Manaphy is at all a weak pokemon, it is very good; however uber? I have my doubts.

EDIT: It seems Manaphy is absent from this list, however my case still stands as a vast majority of players consider it to be uber.

-Knight

 

[MasterMatt]

blissey sould be considerd uber.. i hate blissey so much... its so annoying...

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Manaphy is Uber. Tail Glow and Surf, Ice Beam and Grass Knot, as well as great stats across the board, was too much for the OU metagame. Manaphy is perfect with Kyogre, too. Drizzle boosts Surf, as well as activating Hydration when Manaphy uses Rest.

Shaymin is simply not Uber. It can do pretty much everything Celebi can, and most of the time, the GSC legend does it better.

Celebi is not Uber. With 7 weaknesses, as well as many OU Pokemon getting Pursuit, it can be countered in OU.

I don't know what looks so Uber on Jirachi.

Because of Traunt, Slaking is not Uber. Besides, Slaking's Special Defense is low, and there are MANY Special Attacks in the Uber metagame.

People are good sportsman, and thus don't use Wobbuffet or Wynaut.

I'm surprised no one has said Tyranitar. It can destroy things in the Uber metagame. Sand Stream ruins Kyogre's plan. STAB Crunch hurts Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia and Giratina, while Stone Edge hurts Lugia and Rayquaza, as well as hurting Kyogre.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Double Post

 

[ss118]

I'm gonna try Tyranitar on my next Uber team.
It'll be an standard team to counter other ubers!
MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*choke*flatter*gasp*!

Also, this is pointless. Ubers are ubers for a reason: if they were allowed in standard play, they would dominate. Which is why Wobby and Manaphy are ubers, and why Tyranitar can considered to be one. he already dominates the current play: but with his weaknesses, you can easily take advantage of him, unlike someone like Kyogre, who has great defenses also.

 

[shadydentist]

The x4 fighting weakness and slow speed prevents tyranitar from being an uber. He does well in ubers, though, because with so many flying and psychic types, fighting is a less commonly used attack.

 

[Kirby knight]

Manaphy is Uber. Tail Glow and Surf, Ice Beam and Grass Knot, as well as great stats across the board, was too much for the OU metagame. Manaphy is perfect with Kyogre, too. Drizzle boosts Surf, as well as activating Hydration when Manaphy uses Rest.

That's what makes it uber? That sweeper set? Sure Tai Glow, Surf, Ice Beam and Grass Knot is great for sweeping, but what ev's would you give that Manaphy? Timid or Modest with Max speed and max special attack would be for the best would it not? Without speed that Manaphy can go down to faster attackers that beat the 299 or 328 mark. Also Manaphy 100 bases are not outstanding they're simply average.

That Manaphy set goes down by simply attacking it, anything will beat your team if you allow it to set up Tyranitar, Gyarados, Garchomp.

There hasn't even been extensive testing for it in the OU metagame. Lol surprisingly I've had trouble with a Charge Beam/Reflect/Wish/Psychic Jirachi, which can pretty much only be beaten by Heatran or Blissey/Cressey can get into a stall war with it when they have Calm Mind.

Tyranitar is such a beast, that thing alone overcentralizes the metagame so badly, With Crunch 2HKO many of his ADV counters and Stone Edge ripping apart anything else (;_; a crit hit by it will kill anything not resist and even severely damage those that are resistane). He also brings SS into play by doing nothing and taking advantage of it himself, special attacks (barring Focus Blast Aura Sphere) Hardly even work on him any more. People bring up the x4 weakness alot but, tell me what fighting pokemon can safely switch into Tyranitar repeatedly to take his attacks? Sure they may get lucky a couple times but the Tyranitar player is either going to catch on and hit them with an attack that they're weak against or they're simply going to be worn down by Tyranitar to the point where they cannot safely switch in on him. Tyranitar Powers up Rhyperior and gives and evasion boost to Garchomp Two very powerful OU pokemon on their own.

Tyranitar in my mind is pushing and pushing against the OU fence just wanting to break into ubers. His weather trait is broken, I'm sure everyone can agree with that. STAB CRUNCH AND STAB STONE EDGE are a great offensive combo. I'm really surprised he isn't uber perhaps so many people are playing favoritism they don't speak about Tyranitar's brokenness in the OU metagame. A Metagame without Tyranitar is a more varyed metagame than if he was allowed in OU.

Oh wow this is almost tl:dr so I'm going to take a litle break. Have a nice day everyone ^_^
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EDIT: I remember posting something about Slaking and Wynaut last night but the site crashed x_x so I'll put that up right now.

Slaking: Those stats are simply amazing without Traunt he could be pushing himself into ubers, but since he has Traunt he is not uber in any sense other than base stat total.

Wynaut: Are people crazy? This is uber? lol. This is a weaker Wobbuffet that would be lucky to survive an attack let alone counter and mirrorcoat it back. Didn't Gamefreak fix Shadow Tag, so if two pokemon that have that trait they can switch out? The main reason why Wobbuffet/Wynaut were banned in ADV was because a Wobbuffet vs Wobbuffet would never end if they had leftovers, but this isn't the case now. Stuggle is new and improve so even if for some reason the two Shadow Tag's did not cancel each other out a Wob vs Wob would end to to struggle doing more damage than leftovers recovery.

I can understand how Wobbuffet is considered uber because of his amazing defense(HP total) being able to Encore and Counter Mirrorcoat it back. But Wynaut it's just lol, It's almost unusable, as I said before It would be lucky to survive and attack let alone counter mirrorcoat it back. Wynaut should not be considered Uber. If I were to give it a placement on the tier list, It'd be UU or even NU. This is based upon my testing in ADV UU in which Wynaut had alot of trouble keeping up and taking hits from the powerful UU pokemon, and in DP the metagame has become even more offensive so Wynaut could almost be unusable in the Meta.

-Knight

 

[Chill]

KK, I completely agree with you. I made the same argument for Manaphy on smogon and a lot of people agreed but he's still on the uber list. *shrug* It's not a big deal to me except I never play ubers so I don't get to use him.

I never thought about Wynaut aside from him being similar to Wobbuffet.

Tyranitar is currently debated Uber but I have my doubts that he'll ever be moved there. He's a much bigger threat than Manaphy even in the Uber level of play.

 

[Deleted member]

of course, ttar rules everything
boltbeam
stonedge
crunch
can ruin a lot, focus blat is still not cool though

 

[mood4food77]

i think he's uber cause he ***** OU metagame in a rain dance team

he'll 6-0 teams as long as rain dance is out and has used one tail glow

 

[outofdashdwz]

Manaphy does deserve more analysis, as while it does decimate teams in the rain, so can many others. Hell, I bet an Omastar can **** an unprepared team when used correctly. But then again, Manaphy gets Tail Glow, instant Full Restore in the rain, and even a cute sounding signature move to royally f* up Baton Passers. What more could you want?

Shaymin: no. Just... no.

Wynaut: Kirby Knight is right. This thing would be lucky if it can even survive a hit to Encore, let alone a second assualt. Even if it does manage to pull off a kill, I highly doubt it's be able to take out another opponent. The main concern here is that if it Encores something like an Earthquake and sacrifices itself to bring in a BellyZard. However, that concern has been severely diminished since the dawn of Stealth Rock and the prevalence of Sand Stream. This thing is far too weak to be uber.

Tyranitar: Eh. Very pressing arguments on both sides. No matter where this monster is, he will shake up the metagame drastically. Main arguments have been presented, I don't really have more to add. My personal belief is that Tyranitar should stay in OU, not because he can't deal with the fast paced pounding of uber metagame (he can), but because that Tyranitar is not something that is neigh impossible to counter with what you have to work with in OU. Traditional counters may no longer work as well, but new ones have emerged. Utilize them, and Tyranitar will seem a lot less invincible. For a while, there was discussion about Tyranitar ascending to ubers and the mighty phoenix Ho-oh dropping to OU. Now looking at this comparatively, what would you rather take, a potentially CBed, STABed Crunch or an almost always CBed, STABed Sacred Fire off of an enormous attack, and whatever you switched in is likely to be burned?

Slaking has no place in ubers, or even OU for that matter. Prediction is Slaking's worst enemy.

Celebi? No. Its typing is simply horrendous. Ironically, the only other Pokemon that shares a typing with Celebi is used rampantly in ubers. Lmao. Or at least was in Advanced. I don't really play DP ubers so I'm not really sure how much Exeggutor is abused.

End of rant. As a sidenote, for anyone who wishes to argue that Blissey belongs in ubers, read this before posting.