Trying to make my friends better.

[JLoc]

I'm having a hard time trying to get one of my friend to change his tactics a bit. Not to the point of being tournament player like but at least be able to hold our own.

After going through the first tourney MLG I gotten a wake up call. So many techs I never knew they exist, It was amazing to see that the level of Smash could go even further. after losing badly in the tournament, I went to train more and more. I picked up a few skill that I consider tournament like but only a little.

I brought my new style of playing to show them how the people are playing now. Heres the problem.. My friend refuses to learn anything that is remotely like they play in MLG cause he consider it a cheap way of winning. Which I agree most of what he said but I still wanted to Learn it so I would be able to know to deal with it later.

I beat him good amount time and he start complaining about my playing style is cheap, Which isn't compare to other people who played. I'm just trying to him help break those bad habits like rolling and dash attacking cause Pro Tourney, they will serverly punish you for it. But he is sooo stubborn that he said that he stop having fun with the game and become a tournament player(which he thinks I want him to be one).

Now I'm asking you Smash players.. Should I hold back on the gaming tactic so I won't here him complain , or should I just don't hold back until he gives in to get better?

 

[cowboyardee]

I've seen this situation before, and it rarely works out well. Honestly, friend, you're usually S.O.L..

Only two options i've ever seen work before you give up and throw in the towel:

A (works once in a while) -- find the coolest flashiest videos possible of pro play and show him how much fun high level play can look like. Edgehogging doesn't seem so cheap anymore when both players are pulling off 0-death combos.

B (works more often but hard to pull off) -- find a really cute girl who plays good technical competitive smash and start bringing her around often. Watch him change his tune.


Other than that, you're pretty much screwed. He calls your new tactics cheap not because they're cheap but because he wants to win but doesn't want to practice or get better. Unless you find a way to make him want to get better besides beating him (see A and B), he'll most likely just quit playing after a while. Sorry.

 

[CWolf20]

You may be SOL on this one. My only real suggestion is to try and find some other players who play like you do in the area. I'm going through something similar as well. I'm finally reaching the point where I can use advanced techniques effectively, and my friends just don't care to learn. The reality is that if he finds your play "cheap" or "unfair", it's going to be really hard to convince him otherwise, and eventually he's going to either realize that this is how the competitive game goes, or he's going to stop playing with you. Sometimes you just have to move on. You might have to just either stop playing with this guy, and find some other people, or start playing the way he wants just to play socially.

EDIT: I was typing this as cowboyardee posted, so I'm just gonna leave it. I will also say that I thoroughly agree with his post.

 

[Jumpfreak]

*sigh*

I'm so tired of people calling other players "cheap".

There is no such thing. Your friend sounds like he just cant handle being competitive.

I have entered several tournament in an extremely competitive area. If you guys saw us play, you'd probably think we were the "cheapest" players you've ever met.

If he can't handle it or doesn't want to put the time forth, thats just the way it is. I have a blast with smash no matter who I play. Criticizing (or complaining about) another player for the way that they play is just asinine.

If you want to get better, play however you want - regardless of what he says. If he doesn't want to play you based on the way you play, then you should find other people to play against. Haha, this sounds brutal, but I stand by what I've said.

 

[Reese]

i had the same problem with my friend. He played sheik and i played fox. Everytime we would get together for 6 months he would waste my fox with his sheik. I was building tech skill but he still owned me anyway.He figured if he could beat me without any tech skill, there was no reason for him to build it. As soon as i started getting proficient with fox (waveshining, shfflc, shl, etc., etc.,). He stopped playing against me. He thinks i am uber cheap with fox...so now when we smash all we do is fight a pair of lvl. 9 bowsers on FD..... *sigh*

 

[1o11oo1o11]

Have you ever thought that they might... not want to be better? Sorry pal, but if they don't want to be better than they will only play for amateur( past time/fun) reasons. Try and locate the nearest 'user friendly' player near you.

 

[Chitose]

I would suggest that you read this article and get your "arrogant" friend to read it.

Playing to win.

There is nothing wrong with advanced play. How can it be cheap when it takes skill to master such techniques? If your friend can L-cancel, shffl, edgehog etc first time and everytime, then its either:

A) he is a gaming prodigy (unlikely)
B) it's cheap (we already know this one isn't true)

Although you think it is cheap, you have still decided to learn and because of that, you are not entirely trapped within "scrubdom" (read article for reference)

btw, what does SOL stand for?

 

[Lixivium]

Problem: Your friend is a scrub
Solution: Get some new friends

 

[cowboyardee]

btw, what does SOL stand for?

Shi+ Outta Luck

 

[JLoc]

thank you all for your comment. I do agree on most of everyone comments however I will not just up leave him over something like him complaining about my playing style, I mean it gets irritating but I'll deal with it. I need to have my other friends from downtown to come his a lot more cause I feel I am around their level of play.

 

[Flamestar666]

Get better friends instead of trying to get your friends to be better... lol, jk

But you should think about looking for more players to play with if they don't wanna learn.

 

[Razed]

His problem, not yours. Don't hold back cause he's being a 3-year-old about it. Nothing is cheap in SSBM. If he complains, just A) Ignore him B) Make him realize that nothing is cheap C) Tell him to use it too

 

[tarheeljks]

you should use the advanced techs to beat his @$$ until he decides to learn them. however, he may just quit the game if you do this . . .

 

[Chitose]

If he quits the game over this, then its his loss. Giving up SSBM is a shame as its such a deep game, but if he's not prepared to improve himself despite knowing the deeper game exists, then its wasted on him.

 

[ehjay111]

It is a shame. ssbm is incredibly. Try to convince him its not cheap is how i would start. L cancelling? and teching and what not? im not sure if you guys already preform those of he thinks those are cheap. But there built into the game and some people knowabout it and others dont. Also try and make the matchs closer. Maybe have you win by just a littttle bit at the end. Hell start to get mad how its always 'close' but you just win by a hair. Then he might want to alter his game on his own.

 

[ToRn_PaTh]

yay to ehjay111. first sneaky method!

also make sure to not start beating him like crazy the second he gets a LITTLE bit better

slow tactics.. >

 

[Ryuker Reo]

Hmm, sounds like it's really hard to change your friend's mind. Players with that kind of attitude never get better.

 

[Chitose]

But if you only win by just a little bit each time, then he'll think that he's good enough to beat advanced techniques without using them and thus prove his point for not needing to have them. I say smash him completely and if he figures it out then, he can either get better or quit, the latter being his own loss.

 

[Peaches]

He's a total scrub. If you actually do beat him down pretty badly then he'll either stop playing you or complain immensely when you play. I've had this happen and I just didn't want to play with them anymore because it wasn't about winning or even playing the game; they were just playing some sort of made up kindergarten game.

Now, just because he doesn't want to play competitively doesn't mean he should stop playing; it's not for everyone. However, that doesn't mean he can complain about your playstyle. (and don't complain about his if he really doesn't want to get any better.)

 

[swift]

Play with game and watch

 

[UFO Hawk]

I also have a friend with bad tactics. A better skilled friend of mine and me tried to change his style but failed. Stupid Up-B scrubs!!!

 

[Razed]

He's a total scrub. If you actually do beat him down pretty badly then he'll either stop playing you or complain immensely when you play. I've had this happen and I just didn't want to play with them anymore because it wasn't about winning or even playing the game; they were just playing some sort of made up kindergarten game.

Now, just because he doesn't want to play competitively doesn't mean he should stop playing; it's not for everyone. However, that doesn't mean he can complain about your playstyle. (and don't complain about his if he really doesn't want to get any better.)

Vouch this ^^

The guy just won't learn. He won't get better, and you can't really change that. Maybe he's just not meant for smash. Just tell him not to complain 'cause every thing's legit. Nothing is cheap in ssbm because almost all the best tactics (which are normally referred to as cheap) all take lots of skill to preform and maintain.

He's a scrub, either get him to clue in to the ssbm world or give up on him. Let him know that it's his problem. There are tens of thousands of players who play the game and have fun at any given level of play, and they don't complain about advanced techs. Just learn them..