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Trying to Enjoy Competitive PM More

Cantus

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Hi all,

I'm fairly new to the Smash scene (this is my 11th month) and I am pretty much only a Melee player. I play PM with friends and all but when it comes to tournaments, the roster is so full of viable characters that I've never played before. This really frustrates me and results in not entering PM tournaments. What steps can I take to familiarize myself with character play styles aside from just entering more tournaments?

Thanks,
Cantus
 

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having many characters being viable shouldnt be a concern... at all. it is by far what makes PM better than melee(aside many other things).

now if it is a problem for you i would suggest that you start playing with the whole cast, take your time per character and familiarize with it, that way you shouldnt have a problem with it in my opinion. if you still have one, you should check yourself because there couldnt be any other reason that it will still frustrate you.
 

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it is by far what makes PM better than melee(aside many other things)
Melee > PM


And as for trying to familiarize myself with the entire cast by playing the entire cast:
I have this thing called a job, school, and a social life. I don't have the time to invest into 30+ characters only to actually play 1 or 2
 
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play pong if you want less matchups.

Matchups take time. we all have jobs / time that is needed to do other things.
If you dont want to invest time, then you're not going to understand the matchups.

What do you want, a direct download of information to your memory?
 

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Melee > PM


And as for trying to familiarize myself with the entire cast by playing the entire cast:
I have this thing called a job, school, and a social life. I don't have the time to invest into 30+ characters only to actually play 1 or 2
That's a bit of a rude way of taking perfectly viable advice. All he's saying is play a few matches with every character and see which one manages to leave a good impression with you or seems interesting to play.
 

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Pick your main and watch VODs of them playing against commonly picked characters in your region, then just learn the rest over time. Get solid enough with the fundamentals of your character so you can learn match-ups on the fly when you need to.

While there is no shortcut to extensive match-up knowledge among the whole cast, the game is relatively new — few people have great match-up knowledge past a few specific characters, and you aren't as far behind the ballgame as you think you are. Since Melee's metagame is 13 years in development and relatively fewer characters are used, I'd argue that more match-up knowledge is necessary to achieve the same level of success in Melee compared to PM. You might not know your opponent's characters fully, but it's likely that they don't know your character fully either.
 

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That's a bit of a rude way of taking perfectly viable advice. All he's saying is play a few matches with every character and see which one manages to leave a good impression with you or seems interesting to play.
But I already know who I want to play. And I was trying to explain (yes, not in the most formal of ways) that I don't legitimately have the time to learn how 30+ characters work and how to do all that. Like Melee for example, there's Fox, Falco, Falcon, Peach, Puff, ICs, Sheik, Marth, Mid-tiers, and the really bad characters. I can learn rather well how all these characters function and not lose simply because I've never really played vs. one of them while my opponent has extensive knowledge of who I play. I almost feel like around my Skill Level that it comes to the luck of the draw whether I win or lose rather than skill, if that makes any sense.

Play more characters
No thanks

play pong if you want less matchups.

Matchups take time. we all have jobs / time that is needed to do other things.
If you dont want to invest time, then you're not going to understand the matchups.

What do you want, a direct download of information to your memory?
At least Pong truly declares who is better than the other :p

Yes! That would be lovely! Think you can get me the hookup? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
 

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Coming into our forums and referring to aspects of the game that many find to be what sets it apart from other games in a positive way as negative aspects that make your tournament experience worse is a poor way to try to get advice. There's no way around it, you need to learn a lot of matchups in order to succeed in this game. There's no "top tier-ing your way through strange matchups" in this game, which are viable strategies in other Smash games. If you're frustrated by this, it probably means you're being challenged in a way you've never been challenged before. This is a positive trait in a competitive fighting game. Research VODs of well-known players of characters you struggle against, figure out how they work, learn their weaknesses, and go into the lab to try to exploit those weaknesses. Regardless of what you may think, literally every character in this game has at least a couple abuseable weaknesses. At the end of the day attending tournaments is going to be the best way for you to improve against matchups you're unfamiliar with. Mew2King doesn't just sit around waiting for a genie to show up and grant him the magical ability to defeat new characters in this game, he attends tournaments and is often found playing more PM friendlies than any other game combined in order to learn new matchups. You'd benefit from doing the same.
 
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Tournament experience is better than friendlies so just join tournaments to improve faster. (with your job's cash lol) You'll just have to hone your adapting skills.

l actually don't own PM because my wii died so l just stick to melee characters that barely changed. (CF, Fox, Falco, Marth)
 

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I can learn rather well how all these characters function and not lose simply because I've never really played vs. one of them while my opponent has extensive knowledge of who I play.
First off, you'd best avoid thinking to yourself that you're losing for this particular reason. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, it is strictly detrimental to waste time explaining your loss to yourself in such a vague fashion.

Always remember that you have basic options to reliably punish things. Don't be that one guy who complains endlessly about a new character but refuses to take the two seconds to gauge whether or not a simple WD back, shield out of DD, or aerial OoS will shut an unfamiliar strategy down. Most of the time, when I see a Melee player losing a match out of "unfamiliarity," it's because they make frequent missteps in fundamentals, like freezing in shield constantly or carelessly going for trades.

Basically, if your time isn't enough, be more efficient with it. Being more efficient requires awareness outside of conditioned reflex so you can properly adapt and win games. Winning games, in all likeliness, will make the game more enjoyable.
 
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If you're worried about not understanding all the characters then just watch tournaments/matches. Even just playing the other characters 2-3 times to understand the way they fight is good enough to get an understanding.
 

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One thing we do a lot in my region's boards is quick guides to the characters we play. In those guides, I often see something I almost never see on Smashboards : pros/cons lists for each character.

It helps people pick a character and quickly know what the other characters are about. It doesn't replace actually doing your homework, but it's a good starting point.
 
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So you ask about ways in which you can improve at Project M that exclude the only way in which you really can improve any further at Project M past fundamentals, and then on top of that, you snidely reject it with a hoity toity spill of how oh so busy you are like as if that's any of our business or even yours to tell us.

Sorry dude, but there's no short cut here. You either put in the time, or don't. There's no magic wand technique to just getting good. You just have to play. I myself have a job, a wife, and even an incoming kid I have to take care of while still balancing time to keep my Smash senses going and that doesn't have me making excuses or trying to take shortcuts. I know what it takes, and the path I must walk.

Play the game.
 

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To be honest, I was seriously hoping there was something I was missing. Because I don't enjoy playing PM. At all. And I want to because it's a Smash game that's similar to Melee.

Oh well. I guess if the only thing that can be said is "Quit ******** and play" then there's no chance of a future for me in this game.

Thanks guys.
 

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PM has a larger useful cast (read: 41 as opposed to 8 or so), and thus the only way to the top is to learn to out-play your opponent regardless of their character. If you aren't simply better enough to beat matchups you're unfamiliar with, your options are to either strictly hone your skills and become a master of reading and adaptation, or play/study those matchups and learn about them.

And if that doesn't float your boat, whether for time reasons or interest reasons or whatever reasons, that's fine. You're entitled to have a preference for Melee, and if that's your preference, then by all means, just play Melee, it's a great game in its own right, and no one should begrudge you for preferring it. Just don't expect people to sit passive if you come to the PM threads to complain it isn't as good as Melee (for what sounds like) because it has a larger viable cast and it takes too long to learn.
 

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To be honest, I was seriously hoping there was something I was missing. Because I don't enjoy playing PM. At all. And I want to because it's a Smash game that's similar to Melee.

Oh well. I guess if the only thing that can be said is "Quit *****ing and play" then there's no chance of a future for me in this game.

Thanks guys.
Lmao this guy

"What? You mean I actually have to PLAY the game in order to get better? I didnt know that! If that's the case then this game just isn't for me, sorry guys."
 
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To be honest, I was seriously hoping there was something I was missing. Because I don't enjoy playing PM. At all. And I want to because it's a Smash game that's similar to Melee.

Oh well. I guess if the only thing that can be said is "Quit *****ing and play" then there's no chance of a future for me in this game.

Thanks guys.
I honestly doubt your potential for success in life if at any sign of an obstacle that might present a shred of difficulty or dedication makes you run away.

Hate to make this personal, but you have to admit that the question you're asking and the means by which you hope to receive an answer amounts to sheer absurdity. You're asking how you can get good at a game without having to get good at a game. Think about it. Nobody can give you the Action Replay code for skill. You just gotta play.

All you've informed us of is that you dislike PM simply because it has more viable characters, forcing you to adapt to situations you've no experience with. That is an insane thing to dislike, in fact, how can you even call yourself a competitive Smasher in any sense? A true Smasher lives for that blindside feeling of wanting to learn the match up and take a win, and improve consistency. That's the whole formula for what makes a competitive player with any drive. Otherwise just turn all the items on, grab two other players, and bump smash balls all day.

As Raiji put it (more eloquently than I wish to), no one can fault you for liking Melee more. That's fine, but at least have the decency to show that you deserve the benefit of the doubt with your words instead of looking like a fool who wants the magic secret to owning the meta game. If you aren't good enough to play Project M I can only imagine how hopeless you probably are at Melee, anyhow.
 

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You're asking how you can get good at a game without having to get good at a game.
I was asking how to get good familiar with character matchups before going and spending my money as opposed to after. I'm in a hole monetary wise (school loans) and honestly can't afford to go and spend money on a game that I have a 0% probability of topping. While yes, as I said, I'm new to the scene and won't top often in Melee, I never get knocked out saying "I had absolutely NO idea what to do against that character." In other words, I don't want to go to tourneys unprepared.
A true Smasher lives for that blindside feeling of wanting to learn the match up and take a win, and improve consistency.
I don't think that's true. Otherwise people would not continue to play Melee, whose meta has been defined for a while. If "true" Smashers were like that, then why doesn't Mango play much PM? Why doesn't Kels?
If you aren't good enough to play Project M I can only imagine how hopeless you probably are at Melee
Alright now, let's stop firing personal shots. I get that someone coming into your territory saying that he doesn't enjoy PM is enough to make you not like me, but skill is irrelevant to desire to play PM (see above examples).
 
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If that were the case then why would I play Melee? Or Smash? Or competitive ANYTHING? Please stop being a ****.
One place to start would be playing as or against the "relatively high tier" characters - those seen most often in high skill PM play. You've probably had practice against/as the ones largely unchanged from Melee (Fox, Falco, Marth, Captain Falcon, Sheik, etc), so focus more on Mario, ZSamus, Lucas, Pit, Diddy, Mewtwo, Metaknight, and Wario. That's a fairly small slice of the roster, but depending on your region's prevalent playstyles (I don't know regional preferences aside from that Smash@Xanadu loves Diddy and my personal group likes Roy), it's fairly likely to cover some skilled play. Once you learn some of those (or whatever the top players play, you can always just go watch the tournaments without competing) matchups, branch into some slightly less common (but still popular) ones like Sonic, Roy, Kirby, Wolf, Samus, and Lucario. Once you feel like you've got the most-represented matchups learned, take your chances and play. And while I can't claim to know how the tournaments in your area are run, most places have casual matches before, in between, or after rounds, so you could perhaps use those to gauge both the group's skill and preferred characters, while learning some matchups without having to spend more than the venue fee (if even that, again, I dunno how they run it there).

At least in my experience, there's no reason to expect to get good instantly (it's taken me fifteen years to get decent, I'm still afraid to compete), but there are plenty of ways to learn and practice without having to enter the tournaments. Depending on the frequency of the tournaments, you could even enter one, take a break to practice and research (however long you feel is needed), and then try again.
 
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I was asking how to get good familiar with character matchups before going and spending my money as opposed to after. I'm in a hole monetary wise (school loans) and honestly can't afford to go and spend money on a game that I have a 0% probability of topping. While yes, as I said, I'm new to the scene and won't top often in Melee, I never get knocked out saying "I had absolutely NO idea what to do against that character." In other words, I don't want to go to tourneys unprepared.
This is fundamentally one of the reasons people play PM in the first place. The variety. If you hate that from the get-go you're already off to a pretty bad handicap.

It's like walking in to a chess club and saying you prefer checkers, and you want to know how you can win at chess without having to learn all the meanings of the pieces.

You have to learn it. Period. You still have to do it in Melee too, physically, there's just a lot of documentation out there for you to be well informed beforehand.

I don't think that's true. Otherwise people would not continue to play Melee, whose meta has been defined for a while. If "true" Smashers were like that, then why doesn't Mango play much PM? Why doesn't Kels?
Only they can say, I won't assume anything but I imagine they like it because it's fun and they are good at it.
 
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Melee > PM


And as for trying to familiarize myself with the entire cast by playing the entire cast:
I have this thing called a job, school, and a social life. I don't have the time to invest into 30+ characters only to actually play 1 or 2
While I prefer to main 1 character over maining half the cast, I'm ok with playing everything to secondary/thirdary levels though, you really come off as being an ass when you openly say, "melee > PM" "Why can't this be easy to pick up and win with"

You're framing isn't being considerate nor polite to anyone you are asking for help.

Look, I got issues with PM myself, almost everything they did to Lucario, L-canceling still being a thing, how risk-less tethers are right now. But you need to frame yourself right and be able to have a healthy discussion with people if you wanna actually talk about these things here.

You're coming off as a child who is mad he isn't getting his way, vs just trying to ask for advice and mildly saying you like melee more rather than being straight up rude like you are here.
 

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While I prefer to main 1 character over maining half the cast, I'm ok with playing everything to secondary/thirdary levels though, you really come off as being an *** when you openly say, "melee > PM" "Why can't this be easy to pick up and win with"

You're framing isn't being considerate nor polite to anyone you are asking for help.

Look, I got issues with PM myself, almost everything they did to Lucario, L-canceling still being a thing, how risk-less tethers are right now. But you need to frame yourself right and be able to have a healthy discussion with people if you wanna actually talk about these things here.

You're coming off as a child who is mad he isn't getting his way, vs just trying to ask for advice and mildly saying you like melee more rather than being straight up rude like you are here.
I came off as a **** because, why yes, I was intending to. I come in as a Melee player asking for legitimate advice asking for how to enjoy this game more and the first thing that is said is "PM is better for so many reasons." I don't know why I'm the only wrong one for saying one is better than the other except for the fact that I chose the answer that wasn't PM.

People have been giving useful posts. And I have been reading all of them even if I don't respond to them all. The ones that come in addressing my question in a dignified manner are the ones that are actually helping. Not you, nor the 1st guy, nor anyone else who is just saying "you're coming off as a mad kid." The OP says nothing about me hating the game at all. All it says is I like to do well in tournaments I enter. It was then decided by others that I was upset over a recent loss (I haven't entered a PM tournament in like 6 months).

As I said before, I want to enjoy this game. I truly, legitimately do. And I'm honestly excited for 3.5. That being said, I don't have the time (Midwest problems) nor the money to actively attend tournaments and learn the game in that manner. I know VODs are an option but those are last resort for me (as I get kinda bored of videos after so long, but that is irrelevant).
 
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I came off as a **** because, why yes, I was intending to. I come in as a Melee player asking for legitimate advice asking for how to enjoy this game more and the first thing that is said is "PM is better for so many reasons." I don't know why I'm the only wrong one for saying one is better than the other except for the fact that I chose the answer that wasn't PM.

People have been giving useful posts. And I have been reading all of them even if I don't respond to them all. The ones that come in addressing my question in a dignified manner are the ones that are actually helping. Not you, nor the 1st guy, nor anyone else who is just saying "you're coming off as a mad kid." The OP says nothing about me hating the game at all. All it says is I like to do well in tournaments I enter. It was then decided by others that I was upset over a recent loss (I haven't entered a PM tournament in like 6 months).

As I said before, I want to enjoy this game. I truly, legitimately do. And I'm honestly excited for 3.5. That being said, I don't have the time (Midwest problems) nor the money to actively attend tournaments and learn the game in that manner. I know VODs are an option but those are last resort for me (as I get kinda bored of videos after so long, but that is irrelevant).
He wasn't being malicious with it though, it was just his opinion of one of the positives of PM to him. I'm not hating on you for saying you prefer melee to PM, more so how you framed yourself and made it more about that.

If you want to get more and better advice, being hostile back to anyone you think is being that way isn't the way to go. It's not that you said PM, it's that you acted hostile first to something that for all purposes wasn't really an insult

Still overall I'd agree with their advice and say I can relate to your situation. Playing the cast a bit can familarize yourself a bit, if not everyone just play a few on the side to learn just on a base level what they can do.
 

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Breaking news: Name-calling and getting angry just because you don't like being called out for bad form is how to NOT get better in anything.

I don't understand why people do that; you've gotta be either comically immature, mentally unbalanced, or both to do that when prior examples of why that never works have been set.
 
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Okay, so here are all the things that have been mentioned so far as possibilities for improving:
• Playing more characters yourself.
• Watching videos of the characters you play vs characters you need to learn the matchups for.
• Playing more people who play the characters you want to learn the matchups for.
• Getting better in general by playing more intelligently (not auto piloting and getting frustrated because it doesn't work).

There is also:
• Reading the threads here on Smashboards.
• Theorycrafting.
• Practicing on your own in various ways.

Which ones are you capable of and willing to do?
What's stopping you from attending tournaments?
Approximately how much time do you have (how many hours per week, for example)?

How long did it take you to become familiar with all the relevant matchups in Melee? Can you not do that for Project M also? If you've already learned the Melee top-tier matchups, that makes 8 characters that you don't need to learn again in PM; that leaves the most common PM characters (Diddy, Mario, Mewtwo, etc.), and then the rarer characters that happen to be used in your region (Squirtle, for example). That's not too many more matchups to learn. It certainly won't be a permanent problem if you go to tournaments, since you'll learn the matchups just by playing. What about when you play someone using a rare character in Melee? Is that any different than when the same thing happens in PM?
 
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Which ones are you capable of and willing to do?
Capable of 1, 2, and 4
Willing to 3 and 4. Not so much 1 but it is an option, technically.
What's stopping you from attending tournaments?
Distance, money, and time. Being from the Midwest, our tournaments are very spread out. I'm already financially struggling and going to more tournaments is pretty out of the question. And time because I'm in school and have a lot of things I want to do alongside school and Smash (friends, parties, YuGiOh, etc.)
Approximately how much time do you have (how many hours per week, for example)?
Enough during the weekdays. Just hard to coordinate a time to play with friends because they're also in school. And in order to help focus on grades, my setup is in a friend's room so I can't just play it instead of do homework.
 
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Is netplay an option for you? That would solve most of the problems with tournaments.

Also, I edited my post after you replied, sorry. If you don't mind, could you please give a response about the other 3 points (they would be numbers 5,6, and 7) and to the last paragraph (the one about why learning the PM matchups is harder than learning the Melee matchups was).

Also, you said you are not willing to stop playing on autopilot to get better in general; it's a prerequisite to performing above a certain (low) level. It also requires no additional time, since you should be doing it as you play. If you never pay enough attention to realise your habits which are invariably getting you punished then how are you supposed to fix them (and improve as a result)?
 
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Netplay is not an option, unfortunately. I tried setting it up and my laptop just can't handle it.

I kind of read threads but it goes under the same category as watching matchups. It's boring to me.
Not exactly sure what theorycrafting is.
I cannot due to no accessible setup.

The way I deal with lesser character matchups in Melee is simply because I know they aren't as good as my character(s) and because I've played my characters long enough to feel comfortable piloting them.

I have kind of a "mentor" around here who has taught me a lot of what I know. When I think that there's something I could have done differently, I'll ask him about it. I also try new things from time to time to just test their function in matches. Some ways I watch myself are A) just general "why am I getting hit?" thoughts and B) We irregularly record our matches and I'll watch myself play in order to see how I could have changed the outcome of the match.
 

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All I'm still getting from this thread is that you want to get better at a game you dont care about without actually playing, studying, learning, or thinking about it.

Theorycrafting is thinking about the game and brainstorming, trying to create ideas of new set-ups or solutions to match ups when you're not exactly playing the game.

MU's are hard to learn, but thats the whole game. You can rely on fundamentals only so far without learning what is safe and what is punishable.

Just practice and play and study the game, or don't get frustrated if you lose it in.
 

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All of that last part sounds good Cantus; I must have misunderstood you and thought you said you didn't do anything like that.

It's a shame about netplay (I have the same problem); it's not really something that can be solved without spending large amounts of money or getting lucky (by getting given a friend's old computer or something).

Theorycrafting is things like thinking outside of playing the game about how a certain things would work (like what strategies should be applied to certain matchups). Some really bad/basic examples for Melee Luigi are: "maybe I could go for more cross-up jabs to grabs on shield against Marth since his out of shield options are slow", or "wavedash up smash might be a better option than down smash at low percentages against spacies since it knocks down/forces tumble earlier and is more resistant to crouch cancelling". Basically you could work these things out by playing the matches and observing the results, but this accomplishes the same thing (you test out the theories when you play, of course) without having to run into the relevant scenarios in a match first. There's more to it than that (and there's probably a thread on it somewhere), but that's my understanding and poor explanation of it.

Since your setup is deliberately in an awkward position, the obvious solution (and the only real one) is to move it. If you don't want to move it because you worry about it affecting your work, then you're going to have to overcome that or give up. No johns etc. etc. You only said that you can't practice on your own because of your setup, not that you wouldn't practice on your own; does that mean that if you made your setup usable then you'd do it? Because that's a perfectly valid way to develop a lot of areas of your game; it worked for Mew2King, right?

Before I was asking about the top-tier matchups that you've already learned; you didn't mention any trouble with those, so what's to stop you learning the PM matchups like you've already done for Melee's relevant characters? What about rare characters in Melee that you can't just out-tier (which you said is your solution to unfamiliar characters) such as Ice Climbers; you must have a solution to those, right?

About knowing that your opponents' characters aren't as good as yours (this ties into theorycrafting): you must have some idea of why that's so besides them being lower on the tier list, right? It should be obvious quite quickly that Game & Watch has an awful shield, that Zelda has poor mobility, and so on. Therefore the reason you can beat those characters is because you're exploiting those weaknesses (by pressuring Game & Watch, or by camping Zelda...), whether or not you're aware of it. You should be able to apply this to any character, since all characters have exploitable weaknesses (though admittedly not always as glaring as those of a Melee low-tier) even if they're not bad overall.

It seems that you know what to do to improve and are able to do those things, but you aren't doing them because you're prioritising other things instead; that's fine, but in that case you'll have to decide between devoting time and attention to them and practicing Smash. How good do you want to get? If you want to get better then you'll need to put in more work. It doesn't even have to be that much work if you do it efficiently; see this: http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2ebkwv/getting_better_at_smash/

I really would recommend playing each member of the cast to familiarise yourself with them; literally play one game with them so you at least have a vague idea of what their moveset and physics are like. That way instead of having "absolutely no idea" of what to do going into a match, you'll have almost no idea instead; that's worth the 4 minutes that it took to play that character once.
 
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If you had played a game for each post here, you'd be 25% of the way through the roster =p

I like how on one hand we have melee vets saying PM TOO EASY AUTO COMBOS & FREE RECOVERY !!
and on the other hand we have PM TOO HARD, I WANT TO ONLY LEARN 8 MATCHUPS.

Stop playing it like the other games and learn it as a new game. tbh.
One that is the most balanced smash yet.
 
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