Today was a huge day for us, Nintendo, and Smash Brothers

[itsaxelol]

the invitational

• how they've hyped it
• the modes theyre using
• the people they invited
• the commentary
• its being streamed

the adapter. the idea that nintendo would remake a 13 year old GC controller when we have pro controllers is an idea so obscure that i never even considered it. ive used that controller for smash since melee released, and it was still too niche for me to think they would do it. i was set on using mayflash or nyko pro. and we all had no idea what were going to do with the wireless situation. they fixed both of our problems just for us.

an argument can be made for the adapter being a lucky coincidence since GC VC titles are dropping. but why bother with R&D costs when you have the pro controller already? the GC controller and adapter will probably be about 50$ total, the same as a pro controller, so they wouldn't be seeing any more money. the smash logo on the damn controller is worth mentioning, too. then, the wireless problems? the wii u still doesn't support wired. obviously they weren't even thinking about it when the system was being developed, when the system was released almost 2 years ago, and up until present day. we bring this issue up for the past few months, and now this adapter fixed our problems before the game drops

keep in mind this is the same company that neglected competitive smash for 15 years. the same company who, when melee got voted into a huge national tournament venue by raising a hundred thousand dollars for ****ing breast cancer, tried to remove the game from the stream and venue completely

something happened with sakauri/iwata/shig/whoever around EVO13 and they've done a 180. this is why its hard to be too upset about glaring omissions from the tourney like m2k and mango. you cant just throw a dog and a cat in the room and hope it works without slowly introducing them. while i'm sure they would have watched their language, they obviously weren't chosen for their sometimes erratic behavior. in their place, they picked professionals like kdj, educated gentlemen like box, a hot asian girl, etc. i dont know some of the guys they picked, but i see what they're going for and i like it. a nice, clean and most importantly safe representation for the smash community

this is a huge first step and with how they have picked everything, its obvious they want this to work just as much as we do. and if it does, this could culminate 15 years and be the beginning of a well deserved benevolent relationship between us and nintendo

 

[Claire Diviner]

I have nothing to add to this. You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I lie, I have one thing to add: What if future tournaments (except for maybe Project M) become sponsored by Nintendo themselves? Apex, KTAR, and even EVO. It's a whole lot to even hope for, but if that ever does happen, it would be so huge... like, unprecedented.

 

[DaDavid]

Absolutely great way to summarize why today means so much.

Honestly the only problem I have with any of the news we got today (apart of the host...) is the weird draft thing they're doing for character selection. I guess I get it, they want these players to show off this new game and if a lot of them just picked the same character, that wouldn't really be accomplished. Hopefully they at least get some time to practice with the game before showing up to the tourney.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

a hot asian girl

Honestly, do people only think this because she's like...the only mention-able girl in the Smash scene?

It was some pretty awesome news but I still have a few concerns...

Like...what about folks who intend to use the Wii U Pro? Are smash tournaments going to be "GCC only" events now?

 

[N0ble1]

Hopefully Nintendo will update the Wii U to create a wired mode for the Wii U Pro controller.

Today was a good day for Smash.

 

[Tristan_win]

Honestly, do people only think this because she's like...the only mention-able girl in the Smash scene?

It was some pretty awesome news but I still have a few concerns...

Like...what about folks who intend to use the Wii U Pro? Are smash tournaments going to be "GCC only" events now?

Don't worry Brawl tournaments supported a large selection of controllers and so will smash4.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

The only thing I can think about is how Nintendo is probably just doing whatever they can to attempt to make a comeback from probably some of their sillier mistakes in the past and a changing situation.

I would say they have been having financial success most likely ever since the release of the NES up through to the Wii. However, since the recent generation 3DS and WiiU/Xbone/PS4 have not been very successful as far as I can tell looking at a few quarterly reports by Nintendo. The Wii was great because it got in on a market that probably just didn't exist at the time. Which was targeting the those were not the hardcore gaming types. This I think was one of the mistakes they made sense in general Nintendo has never really had many super spectacular games outside of there own development teams. Either way, the Wii era seemed to alienate a variety of the more devoted gaming audience.

Plus, trying to promote 3D still seems like a mistake to me. Judging from people I know its cool and all to see 3D movies, but going out of your way to get the special TVs and devices to run it at home doesn't seem to have kicked in yet. Its cool and all, but in the end the 3DS is just a more powerful DS and I think simply bumps up the price more than it probably needs. Which might be another reason for lower sales (apart from say the lackluster software selection). I think the WiiU is a great idea having the ability for using both the TV and the WiiU controller together. Its gives some semblance of portability to home console systems. Plus, it allows for some unique stuff you cannot really do with a normal controller. Only downfall for me is there has not been any games I would like to get.

Which brings me back to my first statement about Nintendo covering its tracks of late. With the failing market in consoles it seems logical to me to try hyping up what they expect to be a huge seller. Another reason they probably never paid much attention to it before might be because they had another cash cows to look at such as motion controls for the Wii. With what seems like little interest in their hardware/software line-up you probably need to generate attention where you can. The Smash series simply seems to be the best candidate to do so.

As far as I can Nintendo has never really expressed much interest in its fanbase before at least on the smash side of things. When other companies try to back the fanbase in other fighting games Nintendo never really did much until now. Overall, I am a bit salty that I think Nintendo is merely doing these things mainly because they seemed backed into a corner. Not out of some discovered appreciation for its collective fan base.

 

[Kokusho]

That's exactly what I'm thinking about Nintendo right now.
Nintendo's biggest issue in general is that it's a company that's making it very hard to work with. They do things without listening to anyone, or looking what going on around them. And this politic doesn't work anymore, publisher and fans just doesn't bother about Nintendo because alternative exists.
So seeing Nintendo changing their way of doing things, actually listening to peoples trying to makes things right and actually working with others instead of against them is making me more happy than any new game annoucement.
I think you're right about the EVO2013 accident, something happened this time for Nintendo, maybe they realised that they cannot control everything about their product and that it wasn't such a bad thing. Even if, like Xeylode said, seeing their market share plummeting didn't hurt either...

 

[Deleted member 245254]

I believe I read an extensive breakdown on Nintendo's ultimate "worth" as of current, and the conclusion was essentially that they could make Virtual Boy-level disasters for the next 22+ years and they would still be sitting on plenty of money.

It's good that Nintendo seems to be getting their head out of the toilet, as embarrassing as it's been for them, but let's not kid ourselves, Nintendo pretty much set the stage and gave themselves the room to experiment like this. Some of it is gonna hit, some of it is gonna utterly miss. There's always "next time" to them.

 

[D-idara]

Nintendo will always be Nintendo, don't need to say anything else.

 

[DraginHikari]

In the long run I don't claim to know if this will really be a long term shift in Nintendo's overall policy when address certain issues or processes. In the short time at least it appears to be a company philosphy shift that could be benefitical to them if they chose to embrace it. It is left to be seen.

 

[Aninymouse]

The only thing I can think about is how Nintendo is probably just doing whatever they can to attempt to make a comeback from probably some of their sillier mistakes in the past and a changing situation.

I would say they have been having financial success most likely ever since the release of the NES up through to the Wii. However, since the recent generation 3DS and WiiU/Xbone/PS4 have not been very successful as far as I can tell looking at a few quarterly reports by Nintendo. The Wii was great because it got in on a market that probably just didn't exist at the time. Which was targeting the those were not the hardcore gaming types. This I think was one of the mistakes they made sense in general Nintendo has never really had many super spectacular games outside of there own development teams. Either way, the Wii era seemed to alienate a variety of the more devoted gaming audience.

Plus, trying to promote 3D still seems like a mistake to me. Judging from people I know its cool and all to see 3D movies, but going out of your way to get the special TVs and devices to run it at home doesn't seem to have kicked in yet. Its cool and all, but in the end the 3DS is just a more powerful DS and I think simply bumps up the price more than it probably needs. Which might be another reason for lower sales (apart from say the lackluster software selection). I think the WiiU is a great idea having the ability for using both the TV and the WiiU controller together. Its gives some semblance of portability to home console systems. Plus, it allows for some unique stuff you cannot really do with a normal controller. Only downfall for me is there has not been any games I would like to get.

Which brings me back to my first statement about Nintendo covering its tracks of late. With the failing market in consoles it seems logical to me to try hyping up what they expect to be a huge seller. Another reason they probably never paid much attention to it before might be because they had another cash cows to look at such as motion controls for the Wii. With what seems like little interest in their hardware/software line-up you probably need to generate attention where you can. The Smash series simply seems to be the best candidate to do so.

As far as I can Nintendo has never really expressed much interest in its fanbase before at least on the smash side of things. When other companies try to back the fanbase in other fighting games Nintendo never really did much until now. Overall, I am a bit salty that I think Nintendo is merely doing these things mainly because they seemed backed into a corner. Not out of some discovered appreciation for its collective fan base.

All your concerns could very well be well-founded, but you know, this is a new day and a new game. I think there's room for all of us to go at this with as clean a slate as possible. For maybe all the annoying things they've done, there's been thousands of consumers who have pirated Nintendo's wares or otherwise sought to undermine their intellectual property. Maybe that's not such a big deal to some, but that's a big reason why they have such a hard time welcoming an unknown fanbase like ours, to some extent. Yadda yadda

Yesterday was so huge... can we just bask in that for a while? If they do something to hurt us again, then maybe it's time to rethink this, but right now? I'd love for all of us to get along with Nintendo in a fun relationship.

 

[Ulevo]

I don't care what Nintendo's intentions are, I just care that this is happening. Even if Nintendo has less than preferable intentions for making these decisions, it's not going to stop the snowball. Once this kinda thing becomes mainstream for Smash as a series, even if Nintendo wants to take a few steps back (which they wouldn't, it simply wouldn't be a smart business decision to do so) they won't be able to because by then the exposure would have hit and tournament play for Smash would have been established.

The only thing left to answer is what sort of game is Smash Wii U going to be like, what kind of quality will it have, and will have many of its prequels previous mistakes. If this hurdle can be avoided then things will go smoothly.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

The only thing in the way now are melee originalists who will stay with melee and bad mouth any other new Smash game no matter what it is because it's not Melee. (FYI this is not a huge category of folks but they exist)

 

[D-idara]

The only thing in the way now are melee originalists who will stay with melee and bad mouth any other new Smash game no matter what it is because it's not Melee. (FYI this is not a huge category of folks but they exist)

Well, at least one of the biggest offenders of that wasn't invited to the tournament. I'm not digging the way people are talking about Nintendo like they're some evil corporation like EA or Microsoft.

 

[Ulevo]

The only thing in the way now are melee originalists who will stay with melee and bad mouth any other new Smash game no matter what it is because it's not Melee. (FYI this is not a huge category of folks but they exist)

If they're not a huge category then there's no point of even bringing this up as a raised concern.

 

[aldelaro5]

Moral: consider yourself privileged for having nintendo being so nice with the community. If M2k and Mango aren't there while it is at least decent (don't even get me started on how the gc adapter solved all wired and habits problem), then it has to be done without them even if we wanted to see them.

You should really not feel disappointed because Nintendo showed that they care of this community and you should accept with thanks this privilege. Remember, Nintendo didn't HAVE to do this at all.

 

[Fuqua]

Well, at least one of the biggest offenders of that wasn't invited to the tournament. I'm not digging the way people are talking about Nintendo like they're some evil corporation like EA or Microsoft.

Yeah, because EA and Microsoft are totally "evil"... seriously if everyone would have the blind faith towards nintendo that you have they would possibly pull of things far worse than either of these companies ever have. Don't think of some companies as "evil" and others as "friends", at the end of the day they all just want your money, don't be naive!

 

[Saito]

Overall, I am a bit salty that I think Nintendo is merely doing these things mainly because they seemed backed into a corner. Not out of some discovered appreciation for its collective fan base.

I'm more prone to believe that Nintendo wants to provide a game that everyone can enjoy. Because of the fact that they are failing, they might be relying on us, and taking us seriously since we are some of the most dedicated.

They are backed into a corner, so they turn to the smash community in hopes of a change. They see how dedicated we are and actually go all in. Showing the people who care about them greatly, a major deal of support and acceptance.

It's both good from a business perspective, the communities perspective, increases relationships between the players and Nintendo, commercializes the Wii U better, and allows them to put even more resources into a game that essentially will be their kickstarter.

Whatever their reasons for supporting us is, I'm glad they decided to do it. Even if it's fake support, they wouldn't dare go back on it now. If it's real, then they've gained a powerful asset.


They might even get the message that players like to compete a lot, whether it be on a casual level of play or competitive level of play, and drop their almost exclusively casual approach for games and take a "difficult but rewarding" mindset for new games.

 

[Claire Diviner]

They might even get the message that players like to compete a lot, whether it be on a casual level of play or competitive level of play, and drop their almost exclusively casual approach for games and take a "difficult but rewarding" mindset for new games.

That just made me think of a hypothetical scenario: Imagine if Nintendo made a game, like Metroid Prime Hunters, polish the gameplay, mechanics, etc., upped the visuals (that goes without saying, probably), and gave it an online multiplayer mode that's as competitive and fierce as - say - Halo, COD, or Gears of War with even more Hunters to choose from; expanding on the already solid list of playable characters seen in Metroid Prime Hunters. But I digress from the main topic. Someone ought to make a thread somewhere about what Nintendo could do to appeal not to just hardcore fans, but to serious competitive players as well.

 

[slicesabre]

I personally think you guys are looking too deep into this.

Like a neglected child who gets slapped in the face everyday by their father, but one day their father buys them an ice cream cone and all is forgiven.

 

[Aninymouse]

I personally think you guys are looking too deep into this.

Like a neglected child who gets slapped in the face everyday by their father, but one day their father buys them an ice cream cone and all is forgiven.

"You guys are looking too deep into this. Here is a deep spiritual metaphor for the way I feel."

lel

How about this for some over-thinking? Nintendo's a powerful Japanese company with a lot of experience and capital. They're used to doing things the way they want to do them, and people lining up to buy from them. Like a lot of modern capitalists, they've had to constantly refocus themselves towards customer satisfaction in order to keep sales high. Their newest customer satisfaction strategy has moved their focus onto the competitive Smash scene - into the realm of profit and positive brand image.

I look at the way Nintendo has poured support into Pokemon, devising new tournaments with various prizes and rules to try and keep it interesting, and to give players something big to shoot for. I think that same kind of dedication I see with Pokemon would work just as well for Smash, albeit they have to alter their methods for appealing more to the 20-somethings, instead of the broad age range that Pokemon tends to rein in. Smash will still draw in youngsters, don't get me wrong, but it's just not practical to allow 10-year-olds to attend places like Apex and sleep in hotels or people's houses. Official Pokemon events are fairly safe and family-friendly atmospheres. Smash events aren't always that way, though they can be. So I think the focus for Smash will remain on the young adults.

 

[Saito]

I personally think you guys are looking too deep into this.

Like a neglected child who gets slapped in the face everyday by their father, but one day their father buys them an ice cream cone and all is forgiven.

I think something better would be a child that has a father that spends too much time at work and not enough at home.

They give us nice things but maybe not the things we want. We like those things but we want more than that, we want attention as well.

Our father has had the leisure of staying home more often and is now giving us that attention that we crave.

Or something like that.

 

[Aninymouse]

I think something better would be a child that has a father that spends too much time at work and not enough at home.

They give us nice things but maybe not the things we want. We like those things but we want more than that, we want attention as well.

Our father has had the leisure of staying home more often and is now giving us that attention that we crave.

Or something like that.

I understand your metaphor, and while it seems like a nice fit, alarms are going off in my head right now. No one should ever depend on Nintendo, or anything other than the thing most dear to them, that way. For me, it's Jesus. Other people have other things. But to see a company that way... they can't provide you the love and attention you need. They literally can't. It's not that they're not trying to, on some level.

 

[Pazzo.]

He can only hope Nintendo learns, but I'd say that yesterday's news brought a lot of hope.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

If they're not a huge category then there's no point of even bringing this up as a raised concern.

An obstacle is an obstacle. You still slow down for a speed bump in the road, don't you? Just because they aren't big doesn't mean they aren't a hindrance to the community, therefore worth mentioning.

 

[DahremRuhar]

An obstacle is an obstacle. You still slow down for a speed bump in the road, don't you? Just because they aren't big doesn't mean they aren't a hindrance to the community, therefore worth mentioning.

Melee is an incredibly solid game, and realistically, those "Melee Purists" you speak of are preeeetty much the reason Nintendo took notice of us. Besides, they aren't a hindrance. I actually have no idea where you pulled that absurd idea from. If they don't like Smash 4, they won't play it, and will keep playing melee. Simple. You can't make them play a game they don't like it. Sounds to me like you just don't like Melee.


You should try Melee sometime. Everybody cool is doing it.

 

[Shariq]

Melee is an incredibly solid game, and realistically, those "Melee Purists" you speak of are preeeetty much the reason Nintendo took notice of us. Besides, they aren't a hindrance. I actually have no idea where you pulled that absurd idea from. If they don't like Smash 4, they won't play it, and will keep playing melee. Simple. You can't make them play a game they don't like it. Sounds to me like you just don't like Melee.


You should try Melee sometime. Everybody cool is doing it.

That's not the problem. They won't like Smash 4, fine no problem. Let them keep playing Melee, That's all good. But the issue is they also bad mouth Brawl and act like they are superior. So if Smash 4 isn't as fast and technical as Melee, I wouldn't be surprised if they also hate on it as well.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Melee is an incredibly solid game, and realistically, those "Melee Purists" you speak of are preeeetty much the reason Nintendo took notice of us. Besides, they aren't a hindrance. I actually have no idea where you pulled that absurd idea from. If they don't like Smash 4, they won't play it, and will keep playing melee. Simple. You can't make them play a game they don't like it.

He might've got that idea because of how the community reacted to Brawl...

That's not the problem. They won't like Smash 4, fine no problem. Let them keep playing Melee, That's all good. But the issue is they also bad mouth Brawl and act like they are superior. So if Smash 4 isn't as fast and technical as Melee, I wouldn't be surprised if they also hate on it as well.

Ninja'd...

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Melee is an incredibly solid game, and realistically, those "Melee Purists" you speak of are preeeetty much the reason Nintendo took notice of us. Besides, they aren't a hindrance. I actually have no idea where you pulled that absurd idea from. If they don't like Smash 4, they won't play it, and will keep playing melee. Simple. You can't make them play a game they don't like it. Sounds to me like you just don't like Melee.


You should try Melee sometime. Everybody cool is doing it.

Um, I played Melee for almost every waking moment before Brawl hit, and even for a long time after, I'm cool bro.

As posters above me have noted, it's mostly in part to the heinous amount of bad-mouthing that sect of folks is now known for since Brawls release.

 

[DahremRuhar]

I dunno 'bout that. I played Brawl competitively from 2009-2013. I mean, yeah, they said mean things about a game that they don't like. Despite that, really don't see how a few, and I emphasize FEW people voicing their strong (and justified) dislike for a game is really that detrimental. As someone who has switched over to Melee and P:M, I can say that the problems with Brawl go well beyond being simply "not as fast or technical." I enjoy the game, but it's not as suited for competitive play as Melee. I'll give you one GLARING example of that: tripping. Best gameplay mechanic ever.

Trust me, I get how irritating that attitude can be, I've dealt with it for years. It is hardly as prevalent, especially now, as you all seem to claim, and most importantly, is irrelevant to whether Smash 4 develops a competitive scene. In fact, it seems irrelevant to the thread we are posting in. If anything should be said about Melee in this thread, it should be "Thank you Melee and your players, for not dying out, and causing Nintendo to take notice of our community after fifteen years of being virtually ignored."

 

[Ulevo]

Um, I played Melee for almost every waking moment before Brawl hit, and even for a long time after, I'm cool bro.

As posters above me have noted, it's mostly in part to the heinous amount of bad-mouthing that sect of folks is now known for since Brawls release.

So in other words, if Smash Wii U is good, there will be no problem.

People don't bad mouth Brawl because it isn't Melee. You don't see people bad mouthing 64. People bad mouth Brawl because Brawl was bad on a number of accounts.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

So in other words, if Smash Wii U is good, there will be no problem.

People don't bad mouth Brawl because it isn't Melee. You don't see people bad mouthing 64. People bad mouth Brawl because Brawl was bad on a number of accounts.

Lmao, you act like Brawl isn't considered "good". The only people who bad mouth Brawl to such extreme heights are the group I mentioned.

The moral of the story here is, if you don't like it, that's fine. Just don't poop in everyone else's cheerios, on a big open stage in an attempt to ****-shame the game.

Even if Smash Wii U is god tier good, there will be people who prefer Melee and speak out against the differences between their god-send game and the new one. Don't be so pretentious. Seriously, you have to hide your bias more.

I dunno 'bout that. I played Brawl competitively from 2009-2013. I mean, yeah, they said mean things about a game that they don't like. Despite that, really don't see how a few, and I emphasize FEW people voicing their strong (and justified) dislike for a game is really that detrimental. As someone who has switched over to Melee and P:M, I can say that the problems with Brawl go well beyond being simply "not as fast or technical." I enjoy the game, but it's not as suited for competitive play as Melee. I'll give you one GLARING example of that: tripping. Best gameplay mechanic ever.

Trust me, I get how irritating that attitude can be, I've dealt with it for years. It is hardly as prevalent, especially now, as you all seem to claim, and most importantly, is irrelevant to whether Smash 4 develops a competitive scene. In fact, it seems irrelevant to the thread we are posting in. If anything should be said about Melee in this thread, it should be "Thank you Melee and your players, for not dying out, and causing Nintendo to take notice of our community after fifteen years of being virtually ignored."

Yeah, I also emphasized few.

I never said this was some widespread problem, I just said they're dirt on the proverbial Smash community's shoulder.

I'm not shaming Melee players or the game, I'm shaming people who think it's okay to act like ***** on streams like their opinion is the only one that matters. This has nothing to do with the game, or the community at large.

Seriously, this is an example, just because I mentioned the word Melee doesn't mean I was hating on Melee. It was a describing word to assist me in identifying the specific folks who do what I believe to absolutely backwards for our movement. I'm talking about character here.

 

[Morbi]

It is truly a monumental occasion; however, I do not really care about their support. It is honestly a case of "too little too late," but at the same time, "better late than never," I suppose. I need to wait and see where this goes to become 100% confident that this is truly a change and not a one time instance or something to that effect.

 

[Johnknight1]

Moral: consider yourself privileged for having nintendo being so nice with the community.

It's better than it was, but them not pulling what they did last year (well, except to Brawl kinda sorta), they're still not helping the community that much.

Nintendo still has never helped financially support Smash as a competitive fighting game franchise, whereas every other game on the competitive fighting game scene has gotten financial support from their publisher and/or developer. Yes, that includes Sony and Microsoft with PlayStation All-Stars and Killer Instinct respectively as recently as this year.

Maybe it will evolve into that, but regardless, this is a good, no, a great first step. However, the hill hasn't been climbed yet. Let's realize where we're at, and focus on making one step at a time. We still got a big mountain that we can climb and conquer, but we can only do it if we're honest with where we are at, we don't bury one another, and we have the confidence, patience, and resolve to get where we wanna go.

Hopefully Smash (not just Smash 3DS and/or Smash WiiU, but all Smash games) gets competitive support and promotion for Nintendo, much like how the latest Pokémon games always do (obviously not as big because Smash isn't Pokémon big), then I think that can "push" Smash into the mainstream.

Hopefully when eSports truly, really, actually takes off on a international scale (hint: eSports will), Smash is a part of the scene that is taking off. And if all the Smash games are still having active competitive communities, I think that will reek huge dividends for each and every smash game.

 

[Saito]

I understand your metaphor, and while it seems like a nice fit, alarms are going off in my head right now. No one should ever depend on Nintendo, or anything other than the thing most dear to them, that way. For me, it's Jesus. Other people have other things. But to see a company that way... they can't provide you the love and attention you need. They literally can't. It's not that they're not trying to, on some level.

It's strictly a metaphor.

Don't look at it too deep.

 

[---]

Guys, let's not turn this thread into another Melee vs. Brawl thread. If this continues I will lock this thread and hand out infractions as needed.

 

[Saito]

Guys, let's not turn this thread into another Melee vs. Brawl thread. If this continues I will lock this thread and hand out infractions as needed.

Melee vs Brawl is literally like two different football team fans being in the same room during a game with both teams at playoffs

 

[LiteralGrill]

It's better than it was, but them not pulling what they did last year (well, except to Brawl kinda sorta), they're still not helping the community that much.

Nintendo still has never helped financially support Smash as a competitive fighting game franchise, whereas every other game on the competitive fighting game scene has gotten financial support from their publisher and/or developer. Yes, that includes Sony and Microsoft with PlayStation All-Stars and Killer Instinct respectively as recently as this year.

Wait, when did that happen? The fanbase for that game was abused, stomped on, and blatantly lied to to the point where even the strongest supporters packed up and left. If anything, PSASBR should be shown as an example of what NOT to do. I'd rather be ignored then get the PSASBR treatment ANY day.

 

[praline]

Literally the only thing mentioned of worth was the Gamecube controller adapter.