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Because Ninjask's sole purpose is to pass his speed and attack boosts to a sweeper. If the defending doesn't have a p/hazer, Ninjask and the other sweeper alone can sweep an entire team, regardless of what the opposing team has. But with p/hazers being on every team and a neccesary one too, you don't see ninjaskes anymore on the current metagame.
Hah, couldnt have said it better myself
Alright. Thanks for clearing things up. I forgot about baton pass...
Uhhhhh, i dont Netbattle. If you wanna battle me your gonna hafta wait till Diamond & Pearl come out and play me on Wifi. And a Raindance team?...cmon now, i bet you start out with Kyogre & Ludiculo dont you.
Don't forget Jolteon and Zapdos, whom both have nice speed and are generaly great to b-pass subs to appropriate counter whenever their own counters raises their heads. Zappy gets pass from Pokemon XD, btw. Umbreon is not that good to pass subs with, just mean look and maybe wish. Vapy is more into wishpassing too. Espeon is great to pass calm minded substitutes with, the variation nicknamed espujump. :3
I agree with Kujiro, i would prefferably save my Zapdos for attacking and not Baton Passing, while your statement seems pretty good as well Samochan, I would still choose Umbreon & Vaporeon for my baton passers, as they have more to pass on
The thing is, you get free sub to pass with faster passers than with slower ones. Even if Vapy could get a sub, he'd lose a big amount of HP when first taking a hit then making a sub, then the opponent could probably easily break the sub and you have acchieved nothing but taken a lot of damage. With faster passers, you can sub before anyone can inflict you with a status and if you were to make a prediction and get jolty/zappy into something that'll get KO'ed by them, the opponent will probably switch to jolty/zappy counter and you get a free sub and pass to the appropriate counter. Plus Baton pass protects jolteon from Dugtrio's arena trap.I agree with Kujiro, i would prefferably save my Zapdos for attacking and not Baton Passing, while your statement seems pretty good as well Samochan, I would still choose Umbreon & Vaporeon for my baton passers, as they have more to pass on
Yes but Jolteon doesnt have alot of HP or so it could proprably only create a couple Substitutes. While your theory still seems pretty good, Im pretty sure more people will stick with Vaporeon for their Baton Passer.
Um, it's not just a theory, it's a metagame. Jolteon is a great OU poke just for his bpassing abilities, otherwise he'd be walled easily by swamperts and whatnot. Leftovers always helps for restoring HP, plus you don't need to use that many subs in one game either. It's a fact that people favor jolteon over vapy as a subpasser. There is also other reasons why Jolteon is favored over vaporeon and that is speed and the fact that suicune is generaly million times better than vapy at walling stuff, save for water absorb (like vapy could do anything to other waters anyway). I've tested these pokes on many occasions, sub just doesn't work on vapy as it does on zappy/jolteon, it'll just get broken since he's too slow to pass anything. Quaggy walls better than vapy just because he has only one weakness and some resistances, not to mention that sexy hp and ability to curse up and rest, even if he's UU. But every time I tried to use vapy, either zapdos, raikou or jolteon raised their ugly heads and either break the sub or made other mean stuff, otherwise subwishpassing stuff to my focus punching snorlax would have worked well.
