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He was playing against someone using DK or Fox I think with Rosalina and someone mentioned that he said he couldn't do things in the demo like he could elsewhere.
I need to see that Sonic combo. Do you have the link to the gameplay where you saw that?Really. Really. Really.
Right, because Marth instantly FSmashing out of UAir isn't a combo. Because Bowser totally didn't FAir into jab in the SDCC grand finals, because Mario's UAir totally doesn't combo into itself a billion times and then into something else in multiple gameplay videos. Because there totally wasn't SDCC footage of Fox comboing Dash Attack into three UTilts into NAir. Because we never saw gameplay footage of Sonic dragging a foe to the ground with Side Special, then dealing another hit on landing followed by a Spin Dash Jump into FAir.
I give up, man. I just give up.
Hm, looked for it but still couldn't find it. Hope that is indeed the case though!
There's far more to Melee/PM than combos and higher ground speeds: better control over one's character, ability to reduce landing lag, aerial momentum, faster pacing, higher tech skill, etc. Also PM is an incredibly balanced game; Melee and Brawl were not, and it remains to be seen whether or not Smash 4's balance will be any better. Melee/PM are a bit more complicated than many people make them out to be. I'm sorry for the so-called Melee elitists and PM purists, but much of the stuff posted about those people sounds exaggerated, inaccurate, and misleading. People shouldn't get their jimmies so rustled that they regularly post misconstrued information as fact. I get that some Brawl and Smash 4 supporters might be hurt or tired of the nature of some Melee/PM fans, but no grouping of Melee/PM fans represent the entire fanbase. Realize that comments like yours might offend us. Two wrongs don't make a right.People who say there are no combos simply do not want to see combos because it means their beloved Melee/ProjectM might bite the dust.<3
Hmm... Can't seem to find it again. Perhaps I was mistaken? Regardless, I can confirm that the standard Spin Dash > Spin Dash Jump > FAir is a true combo now, which it was not in Brawl. (Might be DI-dependent, but I doubt it.) And that the transition from Spin Dash to Spin Dash Jump deals 2 hits now instead of 1.
No, Melee and PM fans do not represent the ENTIRE fan base of smash.
Well you did a great job of countering his points as to why people prefer those games for competitive play.
. But even some of the historically slower and less combo oriented characters have had short, potentially escapable ones, like , so it's looking pretty likely at this point.
That was definitely not a combo. You can see Kirby perform a back aerial after Yoshi's Nair and he also jumps after Yoshi's Uair. Based on what I can see, Utilt -> Uair was pretty legit, but the whole sequence of the 4? Just a string.
True, I didn't really notice the back-air. Kirby could have airdodged but imo it shows some promise because I think that it may still be possible to keep hitting the Kirby cause you know where he is going to go momentum-wise, so Kirby is still at a disadvantage.
Why are you so negative in everyone of your posts that I've encountered? Back to topic: your wrong there are definitely combos don't know what videos you've been seeing but there is enough evidence to show that they're are definitely combos in this game.
Some people are trying way too hard to convince the other side that combos do or don't exist.
I definitely agree that there is more to smash than combos I just don't understand how people can't see them but that's just me. Could you tell me what you mean by combos are more than connecting attacks in succession?
Connecting attacks in succession is the definition, but that isn't the whole picture.
Thx for clarifying!
Personally, I hope that combos in this game do not rival those in Melee, as those are really, REALLY long on occasion and can make the defender feel completely helpless, as well as actually being boring to the audience if they go on for too long and the movement in the game is too fast for a viewer to properly follow. That said, Brawl is far too slow partly as a result of its lack of damage output for a successful punish, and combos are one of the more satisfying and visually-pleasing ways to remedy that.
Combos in melee generally aren't that long. You'll notice the long ones are seen at high levels of play and are generally due to poor DI or good predictions from the attacker. One of the things that makes smash very unique as a fighting game is that even when you're being combo'd you have options so the defender is rarely ever helpless.
Well, I for one have trouble picking up on every single cool advanced technique a high-level competitive player does in Melee. And from the standpoint of a tournament viewer, I live for "cool tricks" and mindgames. Brawl, to me, is a lot more transparent in terms of what's going on in terms of positioning, pressure, and mindgames during a match. That might just be because it's been too long since I've last played Melee.
trust me they are not. if you seen the fox melee combo video like everyone else has with out pointing the commands being pressed no average viewer would be able to actually follow what just happened.
That is not a zero to death. There are very few zero to deaths in melee. Fox and Marth matchup is purely based on reads on the character's DI and where they go, sometimes the DI is so slight that even some of the best players can miss which way you are going to grab in that direction. The defending player ALWAYS has input in getting out of that combo.
You would need to be more specific about which character matchup you mean. In general the ones I do see comboed like that are done by really good players on really combo'able characters. Fox and Falco are balanced out a bit due to how fast they fall, makes them easy to juggle despite their really good shield pressure. Though surprisingly a lot of edgeguards require a good read about how your opponent is going to recover as well. Are they going to miss the sweet spot on the ledge? use a tilt usually or a smash. Are they only recovering from below? If you can go onto the ledge, though that is NOT safe all the time as they can hit you with their up B if you did it wrong. Are they recovering high so you have to go attack them? There are a lot of options and unsurprisingly you can miss edgeguards fairly often even at top levels of play. Ken ("King of smash" due to his record in his prime) actually has a lot of trouble with edgeguarding and he is by no means a bad player, he is still a very good one. There are a lot of options to cover and picking the right one is difficult even for the best players because as you get better, so does your opponent at recovering or finding new ways to recover.
I don't mean that an 8-hit can be done by anyone with half a clue, I mean that being inescapably edge-guarded after that 8-hit combo can be done by anyone with "half a clue". (Although I've seen Sheik pull out some pretty BS-length combos as soon as the foe is over 60-70%-ish. Like "does hitstun in Melee really last THAT long?" levels of combo. Like, "end" a combo with NAir > land > wavedash forward twice > full jump > FAir.) And even there, I was exaggerating. What I was more getting at is that in Melee, edge-guards are successful far more often than they're not. (Compare competitive Brawl or Smash 4, where being sent off-stage is not an instant death-sentence.)
Yeah, ideally Hitstun should last a long time even at high percents. It's really stupid to whiff a possible finisher at 60-70% then have to keep hitting the opponent one hit at a time, dealing with them coming back or falling to the stage each time out of hitstun until they die just from being 140% or something.
Sheik has a lot of techchases and reads she can use so it could seem like a long combo but really she just reads the opponent.
I won't go into the stuff you were incorrect about because other people have already discussed it, but let's look at combos in other highly viewed fighting games.
To be completely honest, I started following competitive Smash by watching Brawl, and Melee took some getting used to from the viewer side(Even competitive Brawl looks decently fast compared to casual matches). It's not too bad, and nowhere near as difficult to follow as most fighting games, but it's worth noting that the fighting game genre is infamous for being inaccessible, so what's accessible for a fighting game isn't necessarily accessible for a casual Smash fan.
