Those danged lvl 9s!!

[RazeveX]

Ok, its official. Lvl 9's are improved.

Now, i won't say HARDER, because they are only as hard as a computer can get; BUT they do use alot of previous melee techniques.

I was recovering in fall special and was just about to make the ledge when bowser specifically jumped of and grabbed the ledge, then rolled on stage as soon as i died.

Also, they keep short hopping everything, and whenever they are recovering from ledge, they shorthop some fast a attack or some b attacks (donkeys headbutt got me the first time)

also, i think i saw one dashdance once. I'm not sure though,as it was a team match, and was busy with the other guy.

So, yeah. What do you guys think?

 

[Majora_X]

I for one welcome our new ledge-grabbing overlords.

 

[StealthFighterX]

Sounds like a better way to practice now. Aslong as there not impossible to beat then it should be cool.

 

[fazares]

i barely can get 3-4 victories in hours...in ffa....i should quit selecting level 9 sonic...when he gets a smashball he kills everyone...everyone else....
ahh the days when i could easily dominate them in ssbm....this time it looks like they will help improve our game further....

 

[debaser]

I for one welcome our new ledge-grabbing overlords.

HAHAHAHAHAAH

 

[The-Judge]

The harder, the better, if its yours to decide.

 

[Kreeeee]

I think they're incredibly easy to beat. With 5 stock I never lose more than 1 life against them and their throws have less perfect timing than in melee. They also suicide far too much and have lost the melee "super shields".

I find them a lot easier than melee and they play in a more human style, making lots of mistakes.

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

In one video, I saw Ct. Falcon SH Falcon Punch many times, and even do that thing that lets you repeat the first punch in the A-combo.

 

[Reeji]

yea, they seem better than they were in melee but still easy to me

 

[Sideem Slingh]

I don't find them short hopping a surprise now that Sakurai has officially announced 'small jumps' as a quick technique. But ledge hogging? I'm going to have to watch out with Zamus, or these comps'll get me good. Still, sounds a lot more exciting than what Melee had to offer. I can't wait.

 

[Mada90]

One amazing thing is when Fox tries to edgeguard me with the shine,cpu is a lot more human now.
I wouldn't say they're much stronger tough.

 

[Warchamp7]

I for one welcome our new ledge-grabbing overlords.

lmao XD

10chars

 

[WastingPenguins]

also, i think i saw one dashdance once.

lollz, dashdancing in Brawl.

 

[soviet prince]

good the better the challange the better

 

[PopeOfChiliTown]

I got thunderflipped by a lvl. 9 Pikachu. No joke.

Also, the main improvement is they no longer just blindly approach you. They seem more eager to spam projectiles and make you come to them, and when falling, they no longer DI towards you either.

 

[Kruton]

CPU's in Melee did a SHFFL every not and then. I hated fighting CPU's in Melee, all of the characters ran on some pattern, it was annoying.

I'm glad CPU's have SOME know how now.

 

[2.72]

I liked it when CPU's in melee accidentally did something awesome, such as shine-spiking me out of a falco phantasm. Maybe they can do things like that intentionally now.

 

[Wiwiweb]

In one video, I saw Ct. Falcon SH [...] even do that thing that lets you repeat the first punch in the A-combo.

That would be... holding A.

 

[2L84U]

LV 9s are nerved.
Short hopping everywhere
Don't walk into Smashes anymore
I sent a MetaKnight flying. I stood near the edge. He just keeps using his jumps and kept a distance from me before he recovered. Melee CPUs always grab the ledge first moment.
Luigis uses UpBs to recover.
Always jumps of edges to edge-guard. Sometimes let go of the ledge (just like we did in Melee)

 

[SuperLink9]

Level 9s are improved? Interesting. Although I still think it's better to improve your skills against other players.

 

[killbeast301]

So from what all of you are saying, it seems that they have better knowlege of what to do, but less precise controll? (less power sheilding) But if they are still predictable, they still suck.

 

[phantomphungus]

I also saw in a few videos that computers now walljump to get out of tight spots, instead of just falling to their doom. I was hoping they would do that.

I'm also glad that they try to stay their distance now when they're about to die. Does anyone know if they still walk right into landmines? I haven't read the entire thread as I'm posting this, so I'll check if someone already answered my question. If not, pleas reply!

 

[cormano]

i'd just gotten a final smash with snake in a FFA with 3 lvl 9 cpus. once my final smash finished, all three of them were just standing completely still waiting for me to come back down, where they promptly ganged up on me.

i'm gonna have to say that they know what's going on.

 

[2L84U]

I also saw in a few videos that computers now walljump to get out of tight spots, instead of just falling to their doom. I was hoping they would do that.

I'm also glad that they try to stay their distance now when they're about to die. Does anyone know if they still walk right into landmines? I haven't read the entire thread as I'm posting this, so I'll check if someone already answered my question. If not, pleas reply!

Not entirely.
they shield before it explodes !

they also roll alot.

 

[Mckillyou]

Too bad they can't comprehend created stages.

 

[Dream Chaser]

I reckon theyd b fine on traditional style stages. I saw a match on a custom stage of saffron city from SSB64 and all they didnt seem to have a problem.

I reckon it'd b cool if there were strategy patches for level 9 computers that would be updated every so often, so they made decisions that the more advanced players would.
But its not at all likely an im not even sure if its possible, I dont know a lot about designing games.

 

[=Samus-Aran=]

Goody. This will be a better challenge.

=S-A=

 

[Yuna]

They're still twits. Less twitty than in Melee but twittier than CPUs on the highest setting in other fighting games. At least Peach dsmashes now. Too bad the dsmash sucks now.

 

[2007]

hurray for better-but-still-stupid level 9 CPUs!
=2007=

 

[KeyKid19]

Wow, it sounds like they actually grew spines in this game! Although I remember one user on here saying that you could "select Metaknight, tape down A, and go make a sandwich" and you'd still win. So some flaws are still in them I guess. This upgrade is nice though. What really frustrated me about Melee was that if you play 1-P Mode on Very Hard, the computers are MUCH harder than their Melee Mode Level 9 counterparts. I still don't understand why the top Melee computer level is worse than the top 1-P computer level (what that may be, like 12 or something). If I ever wanted a somewhat decent match, I had to go into 1-P mode, but then I have no level choice or opponent choice and items are always on. So I didn't usually do that. Anyways the point of this rant was to just say that I am excited for the upgraded computer players!

 

[billywill]

sounds like they might be reasonable opponents now

 

[fazares]

hurray for better-but-still-stupid level 9 CPUs!
=2007=

theyr way harder than u think...

 

[Kr3w]

I think thats pretty cool. Now if noones around to play brawl with me, I could train with the cpu's :]

 

[/~Dogma~\]

its awesome that cpus are better, its just another milestone that uv overcomed a lvl 9 and their easy for you to beat.

 

[Toastmeister]

I hope they don't still wet themselves everytime a pokeball hits the stage. I swear, you could be on the lower pedestal at Temple, and a **** ball could hit the top shelf of the tower... They'd be on it like Donkey Kong.

 

[Loveless]

This is all nice to hear, coming from a not too competitive enviroment (just have couple friends come over for melee). Since I am not trusting my internet connection for practice, hopefully the cpu's are improved and can get some practice in when my friends aren't over.

 

[Bendu]

Wow, it sounds like they actually grew spines in this game! Although I remember one user on here saying that you could "select Metaknight, tape down A, and go make a sandwich" and you'd still win. So some flaws are still in them I guess. This upgrade is nice though. What really frustrated me about Melee was that if you play 1-P Mode on Very Hard, the computers are MUCH harder than their Melee Mode Level 9 counterparts. I still don't understand why the top Melee computer level is worse than the top 1-P computer level (what that may be, like 12 or something). If I ever wanted a somewhat decent match, I had to go into 1-P mode, but then I have no level choice or opponent choice and items are always on. So I didn't usually do that. Anyways the point of this rant was to just say that I am excited for the upgraded computer players!

I may be totally wrong in this. But I think increasing your difficulty in single player actually gave buffs to the computer players, as well as making them smarter. I don't think they were ever any smarter than Lvl 9's in vs. But the CPU's in 1 player could be operating with essentially a buffed character, so of course they'd be harder than a vs. mode CPU working with the normal character.

 

[FMArthur]

I'm happy to see how 'human' the new AI seems. It actually performs well because of built-in strategies and tactics now, not perfect timing. It looks like, for the most part, practising with AI can actually prepare you to fight halfway-competent players, unlike Melee's AI.

 

[mugwhump]

Yeah, AI is one of the biggest changes in Brawl, they're way more human than melee's CPUs. Now they have some understanding of spacing, and instead of just running and DIing straight towards you, they'll try and manouver themselves into a better position. They shieldgrab now, edgeguard, shorthop, jump-cancel, and I even saw a fox multishining in the air. I'm really glad they don't have the retardedly good powershielding and SDI of melee CPUs, they're way more fun to fight now.

 

[pirkid]

LV 9s are nerved.
Short hopping everywhere
Don't walk into Smashes anymore
I sent a MetaKnight flying. I stood near the edge. He just keeps using his jumps and kept a distance from me before he recovered. Melee CPUs always grab the ledge first moment.
Luigis uses UpBs to recover.
Always jumps of edges to edge-guard. Sometimes let go of the ledge (just like we did in Melee)

Nerved? (Nerfed?)

You mean buffed. They're much better, which pleases me, because some people are having a hard time with level 6s.