Third Party COMPANIES, not characters.

[thecatinthehat]

So many people have been talking about what third party characters should be in, who has the highest probability, who would fit in Brawl's mechanics/system the best, etc.
But's let's analyze (grown up word! gasp!) from a different perspective. What companies would Nintendo cater to (or vice versa) to get rights to their characters, stages, etc.
What companies are on good terms with Nintendo.
Nintendo has had quite a history with other companies, after all.

Well obviously we have Sega(Sonic) and Konami(Snake) so far.

-Sega's been on a plethora of Nintendo's platforms, majority of which, have been Sonic The Hedgehog games.
-Nintendo and Konami have been on good terms forever, Metal Gear Solid having been on a Nintendo platform originally. Kojima practically begged Sakurai to include Snake in Brawl.

So what other companies could get represented in Brawl and WHY? (forget about how they would be implemented in Brawl. Just think about who has had a good history with Nintendo)

 

[killbeast301]

Personally I hope for Ubisoft and Rayman, Ubisoft's been friendly to Ninty recently.

 

[Violet]

Square-Enix is most deserving.

 

[omfgomfg]

CAPCOM most of all is absolutely at the top of the priority list. Especially CLASSIC Megaman.

 

[Steeler]

Couldn't one company theoretically have two characters in?

 

[Jimtopia]

Personally I hope for Ubisoft and Rayman, Ubisoft's been friendly to Ninty recently.

Agreed, Rayman would rock!

 

[MetaNite!]

Rare?

If you look at the big orange fish on the summit on dojo, it looks like its from banjo-kazzoie, so maybe...

RARE and Banjo Kazzoie for brawl.

 

[Noshiee]

^^^^thats the fish from Balloon Fighter

Dont forget Namco!!!

Soul Calibur 2 (GC, Link was in on the game, time to return the favor ) and the
upcoming Soul Calibur Legends (Wii, Lloyd Irving from the Tales game (see below) is going to be playable, making his 2 appearance in a Nintendo Console, not to mention that he will also appear in Tales of Symphonia: Kinghts of blablabla (see below), making his 3 appearance)

Also a lot of the Tales games had been in Nintendo Consoles
Tales of Phantasia (SNES and GBA)
Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon (GameBoy, JP only)
Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 2/3/Summoner's Linage (GBA, JP only all of them)
Tales of Symphonia (GC)
Tales of Symphonia: Knights of Ratawhatever (upcoming for the Wii)
Swords of Legendia (not a Tales game, but a spin-off of the game Tales of Legendia, for the Wii)

Also Pac-Man had been in Nintendo consoles, Namco mascot, bot I rather have a character from a Tales game (those are the BEST games ever, along with the Smash games), or maybe a Soul Calibur too, though

 

[Loooooni]

actually the fish is from baloon fighter and square deserves it the most

 

[LavisFiend]

No other 3rd party company is as deserving as Capcom.

This company has been with Nintendo for eons, right back in the diaper days of the NES.

Megaman and Street Fighter for example, have obtained their start through Nintendo...

Not only that, Megaman is their mascot, unrivaled by none.

It can be argued that, in terms of 3rd party characters, that Megaman has done it all, and has many hit games, as well as a 30+ game history.

Not even MARIO has had that, and to top it off with some whipped cream and a cherry, over 90% of the Megaman games are on Nintendo soil.

So it should be common sense that one of the biggest video gaming icons in HISTORY should be in Brawl, and that Capcom should get the representation it deserves!

 

[MetaNite!]

well said. i was gonna say megaman, but i remembered the fish. (which i now no is from baloon fighter)

 

[DonkeyPirate]

im not even a big capcom fan, but I bet they will get the third, if konami doesnt get another character. those two companies just have the best working relationship with nintendo

 

[shadenexus18]

So many people have been talking about what third party characters should be in, who has the highest probability, who would fit in Brawl's mechanics/system the best, etc.
But's let's analyze (grown up word! gasp!) from a different perspective. What companies would Nintendo cater to (or vice versa) to get rights to their characters, stages, etc.
What companies are on good terms with Nintendo.
Nintendo has had quite a history with other companies, after all.

Well obviously we have Sega(Sonic) and Konami(Snake) so far.

-Sega's been on a plethora of Nintendo's platforms, majority of which, have been Sonic The Hedgehog games.
-Nintendo and Konami have been on good terms forever, Metal Gear Solid having been on a Nintendo platform originally. Kojima practically begged Sakurai to include Snake in Brawl.

So what other companies could get represented in Brawl and WHY? (forget about how they would be implemented in Brawl. Just think about who has had a good history with Nintendo)

Hmmm....lets see...

Capcom 1st
Namco 2nd
Square Enix 3rd
Rare 4th

Every other company doesn't deserve to be posted.

 

[GreenKirby]

Square-Enix is most deserving.

Yeah cause ditching Nintendo in favor of Sony and putting mostly third rate games on Nintendo systems afterwards is totally showing that they're most deserving. >_>

If anything Capcom, Rare, and Namco are the most deserving. You could say Rare is deserves it most as all. Even after Nintendo sold them to Microsoft, they STILL make games for Nintendo.

Konami and Square don't even deserve their characters to be in this game.

 

[BokutoGuy]

capcom obviously.... but i think rayman would be unique, but not as good as megaman

 

[Kittah4]

Yeah cause ditching Nintendo in favor of Sony and putting mostly third rate games on Nintendo systems afterwards is totally showing that they're most deserving. >_>

If anything Capcom, Rare, and Namco are the most deserving. You could say Rare is deserves it most as all. Even after Nintendo sold them to Microsoft, they STILL make games for Nintendo.

Konami and Square don't even deserve their characters to be in this game.

I pretty much agree with Green Kirby. While Capcom ditched Nintendo for most of N64's days, they did come back in force for GBA and GCN. Square has pretty much forsaken Nintendo, and Konami's only been a hair better.

The only problem I see with Megaman Classic getting in is his absence from the gaming scene for such a long time. Capcom always seems eager to promote their "latest" megaman.

 

[CodeBlack]

I don't really have a preference, since there are people from each company that I'd like to see in, but at the same time I don't wan the game to detract too much from itself and the Nintendo characters:

But I'll break down the major companies...

I wouldn't say Capcom was "with" Nintendo, back when they were the one of the prominent 3rd Parties in the gaming world, they basically went with whoever they wanted to, and, even then, they made their own arcade machines... They were with Nintendo, with Sega before it went under, with Sony, and they are currently making games with X:Box... despite somewhat falling back a bit, Capcom is still going strong, and I think having a third party Capcom character (IE Megaman), would mainly depend on whether or not Capcom wants to... and I doubt they'd use a character that they have no intention of extending to Nintendo (which, of course, does not exclude Megaman, I'm referring to the SF Characters).

Namco. Good ol' Namco. They were early pioneers of 3rd Partying. I'd be extremely surprised if Namco and Nintendo weren't on good terms, and, hell, Nintendo characters have appeared in some Namco-centric games. However, it comes down to whether or not they can fit their characters in Brawl. The main ones are SC and Tekken characters (which I doubt), Pac - Man (which I'll always be skeptical about), and Tales characters (I've never played any of the games of the series... so... I guess... It seems fitting), though I'm sure, if they were dedicated to it, they could fit any character in. However, if there were 3rd Party Assist Trophies, no company would offer more in the way of old school content than Namco...

If anyone was on better terms than Namco right now, it'd be UbiSoft. Ubisoft is rising in the 3rd Party market, and Nintendo is helping them do it. Many of their upcoming games are on the Wii, and they are quickly moving into a 1st/3rd Person Shooter niche, which is one of the biggest markets right now. And, if any Ubisoft character would fit in, it'd be their mascot, Rayman. On the other hand, they might not. UbiSoft is growing, but it's not that big, nor do they have that... "classic" quality that Sakurai seems to value so much in his decisions... Then again, Rayman could be considered that classic, but it's a toss up...

That's all for my analysis right now.

 

[thecatinthehat]

I agree with every one that Capcom is likely, it's just that theyhavent met with huge success in awhile.

 

[LavisFiend]

I agree with every one that Capcom is likely, it's just that theyhavent met with huge success in awhile.

FAIL!!!!!!!!

 

[thecatinthehat]

FAIL!!!!!!!!

Sorry, you saying that Capcom's recent games have met huge success???

 

[LavisFiend]

Sorry, you saying that Capcom's recent games have met huge success???

Resident Evil 4 is STILL reveled to be one of the best games ever...

EVER.

Capcom MADE This....

Are you KIDDING me?

 

[mario66]

As has been said several times, I think Capcom has a large chance of being in. A good majority of hteir games are on Nintendo systems and handhelds. Plus, their mascot, Megaman is one of the most well known mascots around. His first 6 games were on the NES. The first 3 X games were on the SNES. He had an entire series (that consisted of roughly 8 games) across the GBA. Not to mention the Zero series of games. And then there are the 5 GB megaman games. And there are currently 2 series going on DS right now.

And who can forget RE4?

And, of course, Capcom has actaully made (or at least help made) entries in 2 of the big N's series. Minish Cap (and I think the 2 oracle games) and Kirby and the Amazing Mirror.

Megaman or not, you have to admit that Capcom has been very buddy buddy with Nintendo.

 

[thecatinthehat]

Resident Evil 4 is STILL reveled to be one of the best games ever...

EVER.

Capcom MADE This....

Are you KIDDING me?

OMG I totally forgot. My mistake. I do fail, you wyn.

 

[Mattman88]

How about Hudson Soft? They've made the Mario Party games and have supported Nintendo for a while with lots of Bomberman games.

 

[Igneous42]

So many people have been talking about what third party characters should be in, who has the highest probability, who would fit in Brawl's mechanics/system the best, etc.
But's let's analyze (grown up word! gasp!) from a different perspective. What companies would Nintendo cater to (or vice versa) to get rights to their characters, stages, etc.
What companies are on good terms with Nintendo.
Nintendo has had quite a history with other companies, after all.

Well obviously we have Sega(Sonic) and Konami(Snake) so far.

-Sega's been on a plethora of Nintendo's platforms, majority of which, have been Sonic The Hedgehog games.
-Nintendo and Konami have been on good terms forever, Metal Gear Solid having been on a Nintendo platform originally. Kojima practically begged Sakurai to include Snake in Brawl.

So what other companies could get represented in Brawl and WHY? (forget about how they would be implemented in Brawl. Just think about who has had a good history with Nintendo)

Namco- They did a lot of work together during the GCN era, and Link was on one of their fighting games.

Capcom- capcom has released a lot of games on nintendo systems and has always been pretty supportive of them

Square Enix- This one is iffy to me. They used to be on really good terms but then the N64 era came and square and FF went to playstation becoming one of the PS leading franchises. But now they are back giving us...well not bad games but their biggest games are still being released for sony, and it's obvious that most of their support is still in favor of sony. So square is a iffy one.

 

[Nyan]

Capcom=>MEGAMAN

Square (not + enix (i know i know...but I´m talking FF))=> ûberly awsome Black Mage

 

[thecatinthehat]

Only problem is, if Sakurai lets Capcom contribute, we'll probably see the newer generations of Megaman, as opposed to Megaman Classic.

 

[Nyan]

Only problem is, if Sakurai lets Capcom contribute, we'll probably see the newer generations of Megaman, as opposed to Megaman Classic.

Who knows?

I think they´ll use the original or X becuse they where the most popular.

 

[susu_atari]

Rayman is FAR too recent, also all the Rayman games suck.

Square-Enix seems to have the best chance, I suppose.
Square made Mario RPG way back when, and there were Final Fantasy characters in Mario Hoops on the DS. Megaman IS second only to Sonic in the 3rd party polls, however. I'm hoping for a rep from each, personally.

Also, Sakurai would DEFINATELY put un classic Megaman rather than recent Megaman. He's clearly a big fan of retro. Pokemon Trainer uses the original Pokemon, rather than the new ones, and Sonic's Up+B isn't that new "chaos control" nonsense. Good old-school springs, yo.

 

[whiterob]

I definitely think it will be Capcom. They have contributed alot to Nintendo. There was the old Megaman and Street Fighter games. And now recently Capcom has shown Nintendo to be their favorite partner. The REmake was Nintendo exclusive, as was Zero and the DS Resident Evil game. They also ported all the canon RE games to the GC, and RE:4 was a GC exclusive for a while. Also, Capcom had Viewtiful Joe as a GC exclusive for a while, and lets not forget the Phoenix Wright series. Plus, the wii is having the exclusive Umbrella Chronicles coming soon. With all this, I think it is safe to say that Cacpom has a VERY good chance of getting a character in.

 

[SirPenguin]

Ubisoft, Square-Enix, and Capcom are pretty much the biggest candidates, methinks. Capcom being the obvious front runner.

 

[amost]

Camelot is 2nd party, but definitely deserves a char spot in brawl, I think.

 

[Violet]

Do I need to bring out the game list regarding nintendo consoles and Square Enix published games?

It's like saying Konami shouldn't be considered because some castlevania games were under Sony. Or Namco because Klonoa is on Sony as well. It's quite natural for companies to go multi-platform, hence why they are 3rd party.

 

[volbound1700]

Question; did Sakurai say 1-2 more third party characters or 1-2 more third party companies to have characters from?

I know he said tentatively in the statement as well but if he said 1-2 more companies, that means there could be more then 3 third party, although the tentative indicates there could be more anyways.

 

[brawl1994]

actually were are NOT getting ne more third party characters, sakuari said there would be 1-2 slots for third party, wer'e lucky we got sonic

 

[thecatinthehat]

actually were are NOT getting ne more third party characters, sakuari said there would be 1-2 slots for third party, wer'e lucky we got sonic

he said 2-3

edit: he implied 2-3.
he said 1-2 in addition to Snake

 

[volbound1700]

No one answered my question?

He said 1-2 more third party after Konami/Snake.

Could mean

Sega and Capcom but as many characters as he chooses from either. Or did he say 1-2 more characters. If he said companies then there could be more characters from each/ Capcom: Megaman, Zero, Jill Valentine, SEGA: Nights, Tails, Knuckles. Konami: Simon Belmont

 

[Darky Dee]

actually were are NOT getting ne more third party characters, sakuari said there would be 1-2 slots for third party, wer'e lucky we got sonic

If you consider that his staement was released after the polls went out to Japanese fans, most would say otherwize. Furthermore, he said one to two exclusing Snake. Besides this thread is speculating on what companies are in Nintendo's circle.

Square-Enix dominates the RPG genre with Final Fantasy's overwhelming popularity. When most people honestly think about RPG's, they can't help it when Final Fantasy's name rings a bell. They have an increasing recouperating relationship with Nintendo as well. Final Fantasy ports, remakes, and exclusive Fantsy spin-offs makes me believe that they're almost where they started. For the inclusion of a character besides the famed Geno, Black Mage would seem suitable that says more than enough of Square.

Cross-over Games: Mario 3-on-3 Hoops, Idetaki Street DS

Namco is another company I think will have a decent chance at making it in. Nintendo put Link in their hands when they did Soul Calibur II and with the huge success of Tales of Symphonia being exclusive to the Gamecube, minus Japan's PS2 port. Although if it boils down to character inclusions, I think it will come down between KOS-MOS (Monolith/Nintendo) or a person from Soul Calibur like Ivy or Nightmare/Siegfried.

Cros-over Games: Soul Calibur II

Capcom seems the one with the most reason to be a canidate. They've probably milked their franchises on Nintendo consoles the most from Megaman to Resident Evil. I can't think of any Nintendo-Capcom crossovers, but relationship seems fullproof.

Ubisoft seems decent with Rayman and all, but they're like everybody's *****. I haven't seen them dedicate as much profit and interest in using Nintendo's property in their games.

Sega and Konami have had cross-overs even if they were minor as little trophies in Twin Snakes or fully playable in Dance Dance Revolution and Mario & Sonic: Olympic Games, but I think cross-over apperances definately boosts their chances of making the cut in Brawl.

 

[ksadkiller]

ok man resident evil 4 was like one of the best gamecube games and exclusive to gc. resident evil is capcom. so i think megaman definetely

 

[Tbacksha]

I take my comment back, Capcom have not treated Nint good enough (GameCube) as to have a big enough lead in relations that is worth noting, if any.