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Your views aren't adapting to conflicting evidence. As I've been saying all game, Kary, in particular has been playing agenda based. It doesn't have the flexibility that comes from uninformed town who jumps from read to read in light of dialogue. It's static and rigid.
How about we not.I have a question for youSynchronicity , in the scum team you propose, how does a Sabrar NK make any sense for us?
I don't see how it's confirmation bias, when the evidence you bring up isn't even accurate. For one thing, I was not high on people's reads at all.
Oh it's just a coincidence.
Also if you don't think it was a coincidence, what do you think it was? You don't seem to think wam and I are scum together, so what is it you're arguing exactly?
You don't have wam as scum here.
You also implied that Wam and I weren't SvS here. I asked about this earlier but I don't think you responded.
Is this addressed to me? The point I'm making is that he doesn't think wam and I are scum together, so why does he think I manufactured a somi wagon if wam is town.
Cause of what I’m saying that Somi had the momentum probs. Wam had to much reasonable doubt.
I see your pointPythag So you’re gonna honestly sit there and tell me that Sync’s move again isn’t trying to situate a mislynch? Look through their ISO at hedging Kary and myself as a potential team ALL GAME.
You really need to reread.
YEAH KARY!
I do make good lynch bait.
somi was townier than wam
I probably will.
I am not convinced Mala is town, and I don't think you should differ to everyone else. Most players get most of their judgement from tone. The ones who read deeper in this game are you, me, Fonti and LaserGuy. 3 of those 4 are suspicious of Mala and LG is the most likely candidate to be Mala's scummate independently of this. So, I'm confused why you said the above.
You mean it was page 10 when you made that shotgun read, surely?
Xivii habitually pokes in every direction, as I already mentioned earlier, surely Sync will do some of that as well, right?
Excellent. So I intentionally worded that criticism ambiguously. It could be taken as you are being town badly, or as you are scum a third time and have no clue how to pretend to be town anymore. I expected town!you to take it as personal criticism and scum!you to take it as a read on your slot. You passed the test. Your initial response was consistent with the feeling insulted angle but I want sure until now.
Indeed. I made the reads list first, then composed the team analysis, then redid the team analysis several times as I realized certain connections didn't work. Then ended up with Fonti on the majority of my lists but the conclusion felt wrong. I could have sat there for an hour reiterating, but instead I left it where it was and put the disclaimer at the end. I was uncertain and that's why I wasn't willing to vote based on it.
It's strange, but it's not scummy. Being willing to express a unique and controversial take on the wagonomics shows unashamed townie thought. Chaco is town.
You are not an option for me. I was expressing preference between Mala's options. Why would scum!you not NE Sabrar? He's a solid player. I'll agree you'd likely leave him alive if wam is town and NE him if wam is a scummate. I don't put much stock in NE analysis generally anyway.
Of course. It's what Boomfrog do.
. P.S. I also enjoy D2's avatar.I think this is a natural thing to try and do to read the slot as someone who doesn't have any meta on Bessie. I think this behavior is town indictive.
I liked Dark Horses vote On somi because he had been suspicious of Somi throughout most of the day, and to me I read his vote as he was down to vote Somi, but didn't trust Fonti who was also on the wagon.
Why do I feel like this is @ me
I'm willing to drop my original Wam based case to just a possible connection later down.
Is this to me? I wasn't saying it was scummy, just that I don't see why it was clearly going to go to Somi. (no Fonti I'm not faking not getting something) Maybe my perspective is blinded by the literal fact that at one point I had both Wam and Somi written down as a vote then backed off and reconsidered. But this doesn't make sense to me.
I know Xivii does, it doesn’t feel like typical Xivii proving though to me. I would expect to see more solidified reads like Xivii typically does this far into D2. He tends to bounce around on a PoEof likely scummers and I don’t see that as much here. It’s either uncertainty or unfamiliar play.I am not convinced Mala is town, and I don't think you should differ to everyone else. Most players get most of their judgement from tone. The ones who read deeper in this game are you, me, Fonti and LaserGuy. 3 of those 4 are suspicious of Mala and LG is the most likely candidate to be Mala's scummate independently of this. So, I'm confused why you said the above.
You mean it was page 10 when you made that shotgun read, surely?
Xivii habitually pokes in every direction, as I already mentioned earlier, surely Sync will do some of that as well, right?
Malakandra
it probably doesn’t make sense to you because of where you fell in the votes. Read the end of D1 when Sabrar calls for Wam votes. Then look back at where Wam was discussed at length mid Day. That’s why I think the way I do about it. To me. It would have surprised me if the last vote landed on Wam. I knew Somi was going to be the yeet when he got DHs vote. It’s not obvious in a sense of its so obvious it’s plain to see, I’m saying look at all the slots commentaries on Wam and then end of Day at Somi and you’ll see Somi clearly had the momentum. Uncertainty kept the Wam again to a tie, and that’s it.
Did you see this at the time or this is obvious in hindsight?
I saw it at the time, only person I had to basically respond anything to was Sabrar and that was before the wagon really began. It’s more obvious in hindsight though. Just look at the progression and you’ll see what I mean. The votes on Wam could already be counted on him, as a counter wagon, if you know what I mean, the swing votes were DH and Synch, imo.
1. This is something you should remember from Midnight Ops. I keep my analysis closed for me, because I tend towards confirmation bias when I commit to an opinion, and because I know I am capable of posting my way out of suspicion if I need to later.
a. This was a opinion I disagreed with, because Chaco made it clear that town!him's goal was to figure you out, and his actions towards other people who were suspicious of him (including me) did not indicate that he was trying to just get us to back off. I had already expressed my disagree, you did not seem to care, and you believing different was not necessarily damning for you, so there was no point in pursuing this further.
And it first showed up in my posts here:
There were other explanations from me at the time about how I felt like I was probably going to yeet Wam and how I wasn't happy with that and was therefore looking for an alternative.
Dark Horse left his vote on me for a long ass time without actually interacting with me about it. He may just be spewed town at this point, but I was not wrong to question his unwillingness to look elsewhere combined with his lack of a follow-up case to convince people to join him on me.
I clarified after this that I was talking about Somi, not Dark Horse. Somi's lowest five reads were Kary, LaserGuy, FrozenFlame, wam, Chaco, from least scummy to most. Every one of those people had been cased an pushed by someone else close to eod. It was just sheeping. I do not regret going after Somi for this.
Let me guess, this is "manipulative" because Somi was town? The focus on "inaccuracies" from Somi was ****ing weird and scummy, and I was not the only one to think so.
See above.
This is literally just me explaining what I thought Chaco was saying to Wam, who asked me.
Ooh, I can figure out the angle on this one. I asked Chaco and anyone else around to look at something, therefore I must be trying to coerce them with my wolfy wiles. ****ing, please. And if we want to talk about not following **** up, I did the work to dissect the notes, and as best I can tell, Laser hasn't even looked at it.
BoomFrog
Youre not driving me crazy, yet. I’m still just watching your interactions at the moment.
No, your play is very different here from in Midnight. In Midnight you were asking a lot of questions and were placing your evaluations in people right in the thread, e.g. here, here, here, here, here. When you found your scumreads and PoE, you were very committed to them despite any distractions. Even if you didn't comment in detail or provide your analysis in full, there was a clear progression in your thoughts and an obvious desire to sort. Neither of these things are true this game. Here, you are coasting.
I don't really care whether you think you could have buried me. It's honestly a bit weird to me that this would even be a consideration. I care about whether your evaluation of me makes sense, and how you interpret my responses to you.
They said they would talk to you about it; you just never followed up.
You were specifically asked to comment on this PoE: {LaserGuy, Pythag, BoomFrog, somitomi and Malakandra}, and of those five, you felt that somi and I are most likely scum. That doesn't actually imply that you thought somi was particularly likely to be scum, just more likely than Mala, BoomFrog, and Pythag. There's no commentary justifying this position, unlike on all of the other players in this list, and your comments to Dark Horse suggesting that there was is a gross misrepresentation of what you actually said in thread. If anything, your follow up in #648 suggests you weren't thinking about somi being scum at all.
None of these imply anything about somi.
This was my impression.
Why did you only try to sort him with only two hours left of play? You weren't willing to engage with me when you actually had time to hash out your evaluation of me. Why did it make sense to you to try to engage with somitomi only in a high pressure situation where it would be more difficult to defend himself?
A lot of what I feel from you, here and elsewhere, is that you idly speculate about some scenario in a way that encourages others to scumread them, without drawing attention to yourself directly or committing to a read directly.
How Boom would react and evaluate the wagons here is a meta analysis.
BoomFrog has a funny way of doing that. But I'm not at all surprised who is wagoning with you against me.
I will take it as a compliment that you think I would go after you if I were scum and you were Town. But it's also clear you don't actually have a good understanding of how I play scum, or at least are choosing to ignore what you know. If Sync is Town and I were scum, I would probably have just done nothing and let him be yeeted. Likewise with Mala. Or wam. There's no benefit for me to pick fights with strong players as opposed to just pushing along things that are going that way anyway. I'm not going to pretend I'm a particularly strong scum player, but I have a good sense of the flow of the game and I don't pick fights I can't win.
Wait, I read this the opposite way on first reading. Why and how am I trying to keep you from defending Syn? Or... hmm.. don't answer this and just defend Syn already.
I'm confused how I'm not in the list of swing votes seeing as I literally was the swing vote.
Btw, can you explain this? I presume this is predicated on a certain someone being scum? ( Lower priority then defending sync)
