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we didn't have a votecount update that came after that post to confirm for me whether you could actually double vote so I asked because it was a legitimate yet remote possibility. later votecounts obviated thatAlso,#HBC | FrozeηFlame Why'd you ask me if I was claiming double voter, why would it matter?
#HBC | FrozeηFlame
You’re overlooking very hard still as well. Literally the equality part was a joke, I don’t care at all and didn’t. I told you why I went Boom already. And yes it may be gross and you might consider it so, my town play is quite transparent. It’s fairly obvious always. But I will go as far to say that my scum play is identical. But with town motive is so easy to follow with me because I’m a reactive player. Cronies seemed fitting to me tbh cause that case is basically terrible and it was just jumped on. Like step back and consider the fact here that I am indeed town, who do you look at that jumped on here? Wam? Or is Kary suspicious?94 is LaserGuy being a conspirator for coming up with a weirdly times case after your and Kary put interest to me? See why it all comes off as a load of ****? Timing is odd. To go as far as to reference all that is extremely weird. I don’t have townLaser meta to go off of, so I can’t say if he’s that obsessive as town to do that, but that’s a scum push 9/10. So yes there’s some grime to that push, but I just don’t know who or where it’s at yet. If you’re scum again for the third time I’d eat my shoe, but I’m townleaning you here due to your treatment of my slot. (
fontisian
as I’m writing this I realize this is the best example this game of reads on stuff being at me)
#HBC | FrozeηFlame
what makes Chaco's equality vote scummier than pythag's agreement about tied wagons? You seemed more confused about pythag's reasoning vs scumreading him for it
Laser is not necessarily a scumread, I have to look further into it. But there’s quite a bit off about the slots jumping on me, some of the casemakers or the followers of said case are scummy. I haven’t had the time to go back and read closer yet. Like I said I’m not sure if Wam is scum either, he’s just produced hardly any original content. Most has been parroted. I’ll get bs k with you this evening on that once I have had the chance to go back, ISO some, and see overall gamestate. I’ve been playing page to page since this game started.
I was the one to originally be pinged by your Kary/DH I'll point out, no need to rev up the chainsaw. Its opportunistic because yes as you said you switched back because of it, which gives you an easy out. Your post voting Chaco looked very much like it was setting up for a back off. Atleast now your doubling down on Chaco for now that you've been called out on it.
But theres no actual reason why that little detail should warrant such a statement. It could have just as easily come from any combination of alignments, and you pointing out specifically the scum side looks like an attempt to be able to be able to set up a misyeet.
I have decided it is best to put down all of my thoughts around the situation for voting and the like, that is why that bit was included. I admit it could have been better and I'm sorry if it came off as offensive. I was trying to say I've seen you play a different meta, and acknowledge the people saying this was a different meta, but that I think you are a good enough to change up your meta. Also lol the bird stuff was just a joke with whatever the synchronicity stuff was doing with meta.
You brought up his vote on you with his vote on Pythag when you asked about double voting. This feels fake.
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He believes everything he's saying.
???
Well I am gonna question an order that has me as the townest in all the land. What is this even?
That's exactly the ping I got from this and some subsequent posts.
bolded I have a really hard time believing is genuine ngl
there's always a need to rev up the chainsaw when it comes to defending myself
obviously it could have come from nay combination of alignments, but if we get more info and learn that one of those alignments is scum, I think it's an important crumb to give a second look. Putting a flag in the sand for an early interaction that caught my eye in no way shape or form sets up either slot of a lynch. It sets up the slots for perhaps some extra scrutiny down the line at tops, and that even assumes that people even give a **** about my opinion down the line if one of them in fact does flip scum
I'm really not sure how boom's post where he voted for me and pythag in the same post, and this now very clear vote on me with the intent of giving the wagon on me steam, are related at all, and even if they are related, how it makes my condescension of his latest vote "fake"
why did you put me in your "scummy" category when you overtly state that you don't think my "out of character" act is necessarily scummy? shouldn't I be in null by your own stated logic here?
I thought I answered this earlier but I guess not. The case is kinda over-blown and relies a lot on meta. I agree that Chaco started out fluffy and I said as much in #227 but you don't need to repeat that over and over. Feels pretty genuine from LG though.
So you scumread LG here? He can have a bad case and still be on the right lines.
I think you didn't sweat your RVS waggon, more than once you have said what I've been thinking and while some of your questions seem kind of simple it feels like you're trying to solve the game. And someone has to be at the top.
I liked the way that he answered my questions, his case against you feels genuine to me, it's really overkill from him if he's faking it, he generally seems to be no-nonsense trying to solve the game so I'm pretty comfy on him.#HBC | Kary Why is Laser so high on your town list?
Then I don't follow why you cared about obvious RVS votes on him?
Am I supposed to give you fair warning before I scumread you?
#HBC | Kary
why did you like the above pythag post I just quoted where he votes me, yet you have me as a strong town read?
can you link me to the pythag post you're referencing here?
Could you elaborate, please? Surely if you noticed a difference, you can at least vaguely outline what aspect of the posts is different.
I didn't get the impression you were trying to figure that out, at least initially there were a lot of flat out accusations.
@Chaco is this a blatant pocket attempt at us by scum!gorf?
Frozen - I think its very unlikely the high activity and energy from him comes from mafia. I had some issues with him but I think I was getting caught up on little details and missing the big picture that he seems pretty relaxed and open this game.Pythag I'd like to hear more details about your reads of the other two.
I'm talking about it because I was asked about it and it was bothering me to an extent. see above.
I liked that he gave a reads list, and I agreed with parts of it, like the Wam read and killing Synchro immediately. I feel like the points he made against you are completely reasonable as well?
the bolded is absolutely bananas to me. Making it harder for other people to read your slot doesn't strike me as pro-town. I feel like being cryptic and vague and not very forthcoming is like textbook 'muddying the waters'.
bruhbruh
whats your take on my point in #340?
how is saying "FF not reading the rules with a fine tooth comb is out of character for you" and "I don't understand your position on gorf" making a "good point?"
#HBC | FrozeηFlame
That’s why I’m saying it’s hard to figure out. Agree to disagree but that’s an odd pursuit don’t you think? 48 hours into the game. And whether you believe the bolder or not is basically irrelevant cause tbh why would I care other than the point I made? And furthermore why does it matter as your impression either? If I was gonna drive the wagon up as scum I wouldn’t be doing it in RVS and I think you know that. Like who actually tries to hardbody off an RVS wagon. Like that’s only happened to once to Hando. And I’m pretty sure he was scum though, I can’t remember exactly. Anyways, there’s nothing really further to refute at this point, and can’t base what I would do as scum on what you would do. Cause our play style isn’t similar in that aspect. You have the authority as a town/scum player to call people down whereas I do not. People kind’ve tend to, or used to, bow out to your veteran name so it works for you. Me calling it dumb is because it is just that. But like I said that will be made abundantly clear one way or the other, Lynch, NK, or post game. But with the current stage of this, it’s drug out as much as it can be and it’s not really serving any purpose to continue driving home on it cause my position isn’t gonna change.
somitomi
Well first and foremost, I responded after I had already been asleep. Second, it’s kind’ve annoying when you try and make allowances and have been busy and because my meta is on the more active portion getting punished for that. See what I mean? It’s a leap and a big stretch. I think everyone seeing that case feels the same but feel the need to tack on as it furthers. Let’s just call it what it is, it’s a weak meta based argument. Stop feeding into the possibility that he’s right for a moment and look at the alternative of why he might do that. Is it strange to you 48 hours in to D1 he pursues a meta case like that? After FF and Kary have expressed minimal concerns with differing things? There’s just to much weirdness surrounding that. So instead of questioning it and asking why, he pursues to build a case on it. Would that be your natural progression at that stage? That’s why it’s so curious to me. Yes I am trying to figure it out. It is bad faith because he says previously he doesn’t like to go off of meta cases. (have to double check that was him, but if my memory serves that was in Midnight) I’m a gut player, so when something doesn’t feel right to me I start exploring why.
Can you elaborate on these two reads for me because I don't see it.
Xivii is like the poster child for a slot you cannot trust under any circumstances, but yeah I suppose if you ignore all of the context and just play mafia by numbers then I guess I can understand why you think that was scummy.
is the complete mirroring of these two slots' bottom 3s weirding anyone else out at all?
Wam
fonti has posted a bunch since this, any update on your read there?He’s been parroting all game.is the complete mirroring of these two slots' bottom 3s weirding anyone else out at all?
#HBC | FrozeηFlame
in #35 what sort of answer were you looking for from Chaco that would have revoked your vote?
one that felt like a genuine explanation, and tbqh what he's provided doesn't feel that way at all which is why I'm so stuck on it
Could you give an example?
