Laser's post has enough original intent that I think it's more misguided than scummy but I don't like FF and especially wam hopping onto/pushing chaco afterwards it feels opportunistic.
bro I was voting chaco before Laserguy even made the post so **** off with this "opportunistic" nonsense. I was suss of chaco for caring about the "equality" of the wagons. like in what universe does town!chaco give a flying **** about whether his vote evens out wagons? like the fact that he was even thinking about that when he cast his vote and decided to even comment on it in his voting post pinged hard for me, it felt like he was considering the optics of his vote which is frankly a pretty scummy frame of mind. I openly admitted that my switch back to chaco from gorf was due to laserguy's suspicion of chaco validating my own but that was the literal extent of it
Overall I'm most sus of the people putting me high already, and some of the more blatant case sheeping. I don't think I'm playing like my town game that much, and besides that I doubt these people know me enough to throw me at tops of lists and the like this early when most of my content has just been asking questions. FF is also kinda up there because I don't like their pre flip association thing and the reasoning behind it, just seemed off to me to try to make that connection this early. Didn't really like
this post. Felt like taking an excuse to drop a vote without having to go through and agree with the case super hard. FF has def been playing different than what I saw in Midnight, but it makes sense why since that didn't work out great for them. So I guess Bird + Fish = Dog or whatever.
Vote: Frozen Flame
this vote is absolute garbage, literally just piggybacking off the nitpicks other slots have made of my simple off the cuff observation and again spewing this "opportunist" rhetoric
Let me put this Kary/DH connection thing to bed. I made the observation in post #37. First page, 37th post. Let that sink in. It was a literal kneejerk reaction that I had to those two slots so quickly keying in on Pythag. It caught my interest, so I commented on it. No where have I ever claimed that I picked up on some guaranteed scum coordination tell or anything, I was just pointing out the simple fact that if one of those two slots flips scum, that early confluence of interest becomes a lot more interesting and shouldn't be forgotten. I was literally just putting a little flag in the sand and saying hey, if one of these slots flips scum this is probably worth another look and I left it at that. I seriously do not understand where people are getting off saying its scummy to flag an interaction like that for the sake of posterity when we have more information and early D1 interactions are easily forgotten/glossed over
Also the last sentence of this post is gross, he literally says "hey FF is def playing different than the last game I was in when I was his mate, BUTTTTT lol he sucked that game so he better have made a change lul he can totally still be scum or whatever lol bird n fish n bird n stuff hahaha amirite?." Like this is an
excuse to vote me despite having evidence that contradicts the read, not an actual reason. Grimey af
We ride.
Vote: Frozen Flame
if mala's post is what pushed you to do this, this may be the worst vote I've ever seen you cast
I mean chaco's play is noticeably less obvtown than his play in earlier games, Laser wasn't wrong about that. But that doesn't make him scum.
100% cosigning this, very much how I feel
Okay so asking people questions and sitting back until I see something to capitalize on is now scummy?
So putting out a townread on Frozen and Mala, as well as saying you were nailing Mala’s entrance is fluff? Nailing what BoomFrog was doing might be fluff to you but it’s not, it supports the claim I can read BoomFrog. Interjecting that I don’t see defensiveness out of Gorf is fluff? You’re so caught up with how you want me to play, that you’re not gonna let me play essentially. That vote and case is so bad faith it’s not even funny. So there’s no let’s allow progression and allow a 24 hour oldstyle change take place, and what’s hilarious is how many people you sheeped with it. When it’s not even a case. There is not one single inherently scummy thing, not anything done in bad faith, and the fluff you speak of isn’t even true. I’ve been minimalistic and let people have their discussions until I want to step in. But once again, who can really have an adequate feel for you’re only posting fluff within 24 hours. Massive reach Laser, terrible case, and what’s worse is it was to accommodate you.
bro ngl when I read this post it literally felt like a post I would write as scum. Lots of defensive statements phrased as questions, accusations of bad faith when there really isn't clear evidence of it (I did this to osie as scum in completely vanilla when I felt he "caught me for the wrong reasons" as fonti was describing in the abstract this game), saying its "hilarious" that people are sheeping the argument to shame them out of doing so, etc etc.
And what’s even worse is Wam has mirrored every read so far this game, and you’re attacking me for fluff.
Here’s one thing you can always bank on Laser, when I’m town, I’m transparently town. 24 hours isn’t gonna give you that idea. So sit back and comb through your cronies who say good job, splendid good case, etc. Cause there’s scum in that 100%, if not you yourself.
The two allowances of I didn’t know you were gonna do that, or if you were doing that it would be okay... makes your case worthless. And if you can seriously read that in depth to something that isn’t there, I expect you to be able to find something out of the sheep you just stirred.
bolded is pretty gross. "Guys when I'm town, I'm obv town, so don't worry, just give me more time and trust me because it's too early for me to be obvtown yet." This does not AT ALL feel like you in your last two games where frankly you were actually obvtown (hence why I killed you pre lylo in completely vanilla). In fact, in midnight ops and vanilla mafia I feel like you were very hard town out of the gate, which is why I made efforts to pocket you however ineffective they may have been. I also dislike the use of "cronies" here, overly harsh tbh. It's like you're trying to say "everyone pushing me is scum" while at the same time walking it back by saying "well there's just
some scum in that coalition"
This sudden reversal or hedging on his own read rubs me the wrong ways. Like he was reading back over his post and realized he had committed too much to a read. The 'lmao' and especially the emojis aren't what I expect from frozen either. he's posting a lot more than I expected and seems to be committing a lot of words over little things, but then this line comes along and it's markedly different, it's a one-line thought he then immediately doubles back on.
more off the cuff **** getting blown out of proportion here. Somi was literally my scummate last game so I was joking about how somi could be swapping styles from vanilla mafia to this game just like I did a style swap, or atleast tried to, between midnight ops and vanilla mafia. I was poking fun at myself for being implicitly arrogant enough to think that somi isn't capable of a deliberate style shift to throw people off the scum scent after having just played in a game as scum
I'll address this elephant as well.
Yes it is weird that DH was piggybacking on my Pythag push.
I don't know why you decided to lay this out in the thread, postponing any thoughts until after a flip, rather than trying to follow it up at the time.
And I find it hard to believe you really think this might be a coordinated plan to push Pythag of all people. I can't help it if mafia want to buddy me, all I can do is be aware of it and try and figure out who is really on the same wavelength as me.
see earlier explanation above after the mala quote
pretty sure there isn't any reality where fonti sticks his neck out for me as scum, pretty sure he'd be salivating over the idea of getting me mislynched D1 so he can stunt on me as both alignments after midnight ops, so getting a good town read there
going to try to get a full read list up tonight
