The Uses of Mario

[Viceversa96]

Some of you may remember this thread I made from Smashmods. Hope this helps .
This thread is to show the usefulness and to make the most out of Mario's moveset. Warning! Some of these are situational.


Jab: Really good for setting up mix-ups into grabs and tilts. Good for resetting your opponents if they miss a tech and the other 2 hits can be used to get the opponent off. Also has enough hitstun to Dsmash.

Forward tilt: Can be used to space.

Up tilt: Good for juggling opponents and starting combo's can kill above 150%

Down tilt: People say it's useless but it is actually useful it has lower cool-down in 2.6, an intangible shin, good for techchasing at high %s and starting small combos on floaties. Pokes bad/decayed shields.

Forward smash: Good range, knockback, and the sweetspot has transcendant priority. Great combo finisher and kills at 90%. Has a technical dodge (Mario pulls his arm in and leans backwards) that can allow Mario to dodge attacks and then punish. Stutterstepping extends it's range significantly (out-ranges Marth's Fsmash)

Up smash: Good combo starter on grounded opponents since it spikes and can lead to many aerials and kill above 130%. Great OoS option has invincibility during the entire attacking hitbox duration so it can be used to 'break through' attacks like Peach's dair.

Down smash: Fast and powerful. Good for spacing and combo finisher can kill above 100%.

Neutral air: Good for spacing, starting and ending combos and is a combo breaker.

Forward air: Good knockback on upper swing and kills at 110%, combo ender, meteor smash on last few frames can be used for edgeguarding and can set up for TCs and combo into Doc fair. Very safe to use offstage due to IASA frames.

Up air: Excellent juggler and combo starter also can be used to gimp with the back hit and set up bair edgeguards.

Down air: Excellent Combo starter can lead to an Uair off a full hop or grab and a lot of other things off a short hop.

Back air: Can WoP. Great for edgeguarding and gimping because of the semi-spike angle it sends opponents.

Neutral B (Fireballs): (As of 2.6 it has a higher rate of fire) Good for zoning and approaching and good hit stun. Sets up combos, grabs, and mix-ups. Forces very low or high recoveries and gimps.

Side B (Cape): Good for mind games and recovery and reflects projectiles. Gimps extremely well. Can also be used to ledgestall without using a DJ.

Down B (Mario Tornado): Good for recovery can also be used for approach unexpectedly. Sets up combos and can be used to stall out the opponent's invincibility on the ledge. Good tool at higher percentages.

Up B (Super Jump Punch): Recovery move and can be wall jump canceled. Is a combo breaker. Decent Oos option and can be angled straight up or diagonal.

Up-throw: Chain grab heavy and fast fallers, starts combos, and can kill floaties at 140% and above.

Down throw: Chaingrabs and starts combos.

Forward throw: Sets up for edgeguard, can kill with bad DI at about 130%.

Back Throw: Very powerful. Kills above 120% near the edge and above 140% anywhere else.[/COLOR

Other techniques:

Short Hop Back air Waveland: Use this for spacing.

Full Hop Fireball Waveland: Use this to mixup your approach.

Reverse Fireball: Use this to retreat from your opponent.

Reverse Aerial Rush Back air: Use this to mix up approach (situational).

Cape Glide:

 

[MrM]

I remember this
pretty solid covers just about everything
good job

 

[jruzzin]

You didn't even mention how the cape can reflect other characters upb! The cape is sooo key

 

[Viceversa96]

You didn't even mention how the cape can reflect other characters upb! The cape is sooo key

That's what gimping means

 

[jruzzin]

That's what gimping means

My bad XD I don't have all the terminology down.

 

[Viceversa96]

My bad XD I don't have all the terminology down.

I know. When I first heard all this $hit it was very alien like.

 

[Viceversa96]

Edited OP. Found new uses for certain moves Like Down b and Up b. Changed the Back throw description since I realized his back throw isn't as powerful as Doc's.

 

[SiriusBull]

You should add that F-Smash can be angled.
Also, whats teeter stepping exactly?

 

[Viceversa96]

You should add that F-Smash can be angled.
Also, whats teeter stepping exactly?

When you are turned in the opposite direction and you use the c-stick to Fsmash in the opposite direction your Fsmash range increases bit. It makes it out range Marth's Fsmash.

 

[SiriusBull]

When you are turned in the opposite direction and you use the c-stick to Fsmash in the opposite direction your Fsmash range increases bit. It makes it out range Marth's Fsmash.

Oh ok, I play with a wiimote, so I guess that wouldn't apply to me.

 

[MrM]

how do u play with a wiimote

 

[foxygrandpa]

mario's a pretty solid charcter in my opinion. He doesn't really have too many weaknesses, other than a grab heavy neutral game. He has pretty good kill power and amazing recovery.

 

[SiriusBull]

how do u play with a wiimote

You have to be a boss

 

[MrM]

You have to be a boss

it limits u

 

[SiriusBull]

it limits u

yeah I know, I actually went out and bought a gc controller today, but I haven't quite gotten used to it.

 

[HiniCheese]

So wait, usmash has iframes o_0 *****
Is this still present in 2.6b? If so, frame data PLOX
Oh and what's RBR fireball and RAR bair?

 

[Viceversa96]

it limits u

Ray I think I should put CC D-smash as one of Mario's best strategies

 

[Viceversa96]

Updated OP. Made it look cleaner and added more things, and changed some things.

 

[Fortress]

I've seen some Mario players seriously neglect his fireballs and cape. Those are two of his most powerful moves, in my own opinion. I see a lot of people approach with Mario with his shorthopped Nair, but I find myself approaching with a shorthopped fireball out of a dash, followed by a grounded fireball, followed by a shorthopped fireball (moving forward in the air, not dashing though), and finally a down-special in the air. I just pepper the tornado in to get some covered movement from the air after throwing the third fireball, if the opponent chooses to shield all of them. If they hit the air after the third fireball, I just shorthop nair away to cover myself. Fireball pressure is incredible, and has some serious applications.

As for the cape, you only need to know five words.

Snake's. Recovery. Is. Never. Happening.

 

[Viceversa96]

I've seen some Mario players seriously neglect his fireballs and cape. Those are two of his most powerful moves, in my own opinion. I see a lot of people approach with Mario with his shorthopped Nair, but I find myself approaching with a shorthopped fireball out of a dash, followed by a grounded fireball, followed by a shorthopped fireball (moving forward in the air, not dashing though), and finally a down-special in the air. I just pepper the tornado in to get some covered movement from the air after throwing the third fireball, if the opponent chooses to shield all of them. If they hit the air after the third fireball, I just shorthop nair away to cover myself. Fireball pressure is incredible, and has some serious applications.

As for the cape, you only need to know five words.

Snake's. Recovery. Is. Never. Happening.

I think Snake and Sonic get their Up B back after a cape.

 

[MrM]

I think Snake and Sonic get their Up B back after a cape.

add g&w too
iirc u can cape them at the end of the upb and they wont get it back
i know for fact it works with g&w and sonic
havent tested on snake yet but i try to read the upb with cape so it reverses the controls
fireballs & bairs are better for edgeguarding snake anyways

 

[Viceversa96]

add g&w too
iirc u can cape them at the end of the upb and they wont get it back
i know for fact it works with g&w and sonic
havent tested on snake yet but i try to read the upb with cape so it reverses the controls
fireballs & bairs are better for edgeguarding snake anyways

That's so stupid. When I cape I expect to gimp my opponent not give them their upb back.

 

[MrM]

Also has anyone mastered the cape glide?
im alright i get the farthest one sometimes but i want to know what frames gives u the long glide so i can cape glide more consistently

 

[MrM]

That's so stupid. When I cape I expect to gimp my opponent not give them their upb back.

its fair because they are rather easy to cape i think its great cause we have so many more options to come with

 

[Fortress]

its fair because they are rather easy to cape i think its great cause we have so many more options to come with

That's fair enough. I've killed my friends plenty of times with the cape when they try and come back with Snake, so apparently we didn't know that you get another Cypher recovery out of it. Who knew? But, yeah, Mario has plenty of options, fireballs being the gimpiest tool on this side of gimptown.

('gimpiest' is not highlighted in my spellchecker, huh.)

 

[Viceversa96]

its fair because they are rather easy to cape i think its great cause we have so many more options to come with

Snake has that stupid grenade and C4 that save him and Sonic has that ridiculous air speed, side b and up b.

 

[Viceversa96]

Also has anyone mastered the cape glide?
im alright i get the farthest one sometimes but i want to know what frames gives u the long glide so i can cape glide more consistently

M if you want the longest distance you need to do it frame perfect as SOON as you are about to leave the edge. I can do it consistently offline. Online **** that. Practice on BF

 

[MrM]

Snake has that stupid grenade and C4 that save him and Sonic has that ridiculous air speed, side b and up b.

cape him and force him to use it if u can read how high his nade or c4 will take him and use bair
as for sonic u can cape his upb at its peak

 

[MrM]

M if you want the longest distance you need to do it frame perfect as SOON as you are about to leave the edge. I can do it consistently offline. Online **** that. Practice on BF

Ima have to see the timing on a vid or something cause i dont like to look at myself ingame

 

[Viceversa96]

Ima have to see the timing on a vid or something cause i dont like to look at myself ingame

Yah you look at your opponent. If you master tech skill with your character you shouldn't need to look at your character unless recovering

 

[MrM]

i look at my opponent when i recover too but i need to look at mario when im practicing so i know the timing and get use to it

 

[Blue Doc]

Also has anyone mastered the cape glide?
im alright i get the farthest one sometimes but i want to know what frames gives u the long glide so i can cape glide more consistently

Woah hold up what's the cape glide? That sounds SICK.

 

[Fortress]

Just cape as you're running off of a ledge. Gives you a little floatiness that you can use in aerial approaches and trickery. Here.

This video isn't for P:M, but you'll get the gist of it. And, it's more than what I described it as, but that's, again, the gist of it.

 

[Blue Doc]

Just cape as you're running off of a ledge. Gives you a little floatiness that you can use in aerial approaches and trickery. Here.

This video isn't for P:M, but you'll get the gist of it. And, it's more than what I described it as, but that's, again, the gist of it.

You a Mario main? We should team up and destroy some souls lol. Nice to meet you btw.

 

[Fortress]

Nice to meet you, too. And, no, I'm a Link main. BUT, I was a Melee Mario, and used Mario for a very long time in P:M (until 2.6b) before I moved Link from secondary to main, and Mario from main to secondary. I do love playing Mario, though. I don't think he's used enough professionally, to be honest. He deserves more attention, which I think he'll be getting soon.

If you're looking to step up your Mario game, seek out Mr. M here on the boards. Him and I duked it out all night online once, and he plays a pretty mean plumber. If he's up for showing you the nitty gritty on him, I'm sure you can improve by listening to what he has to say.

As for myself, we can throw down once I get my Wii in the mail. Had to get a new one, and have been out of the game for about two weeks.

 

[Blue Doc]

Nice to meet you, too. And, no, I'm a Link main. BUT, I was a Melee Mario, and used Mario for a very long time in P:M (until 2.6b) before I moved Link from secondary to main, and Mario from main to secondary. I do love playing Mario, though. I don't think he's used enough professionally, to be honest. He deserves more attention, which I think he'll be getting soon.

If you're looking to step up your Mario game, seek out Mr. M here on the boards. Him and I duked it out all night online once, and he plays a pretty mean plumber. If he's up for showing you the nitty gritty on him, I'm sure you can improve by listening to what he has to say.

As for myself, we can throw down once I get my Wii in the mail. Had to get a new one, and have been out of the game for about two weeks.

Thanks for the speedy reply. Mr.M huh? Lol Isn't that a Super Paper Mario character?

 

[Blue Doc]

Nice to meet you, too. And, no, I'm a Link main. BUT, I was a Melee Mario, and used Mario for a very long time in P:M (until 2.6b) before I moved Link from secondary to main, and Mario from main to secondary. I do love playing Mario, though. I don't think he's used enough professionally, to be honest. He deserves more attention, which I think he'll be getting soon.

If you're looking to step up your Mario game, seek out Mr. M here on the boards. Him and I duked it out all night online once, and he plays a pretty mean plumber. If he's up for showing you the nitty gritty on him, I'm sure you can improve by listening to what he has to say.

As for myself, we can throw down once I get my Wii in the mail. Had to get a new one, and have been out of the game for about two weeks.

Oh also how come some things aren't filled in on the list? Is this Vice dude going to come back and finish it? He seems like he has knowledge too.

 

[Fortress]

Doubt you'll be seeing him again. Dude was just swearing off Smashboards for life in a thread earlier today.

 

[Blue Doc]

Doubt you'll be seeing him again. Dude was just swearing off Smashboards for life in a thread earlier today.

Holy ****. He seemed useful but alright lol. My bad for bringing that up. Thanks for the video though that helped.

Nice to meet you, too. And, no, I'm a Link main. BUT, I was a Melee Mario, and used Mario for a very long time in P:M (until 2.6b) before I moved Link from secondary to main, and Mario from main to secondary. I do love playing Mario, though. I don't think he's used enough professionally, to be honest. He deserves more attention, which I think he'll be getting soon.

If you're looking to step up your Mario game, seek out Mr. M here on the boards. Him and I duked it out all night online once, and he plays a pretty mean plumber. If he's up for showing you the nitty gritty on him, I'm sure you can improve by listening to what he has to say.

As for myself, we can throw down once I get my Wii in the mail. Had to get a new one, and have been out of the game for about two weeks.

Actually do you have an FC I'd love to do dittos

 

[Viceversa96]

I think I'll finish this ****ing thread before I go. Let my talent linger into the list.