The team of walls: Power to Toxic.

[Blackroserade66]

This is not a team that I intend to play competitively, of course, but it is just something that I want to play against a few friends with. I am trying to have every pokemon in it be able to sustain a few hits, heal themselves, and be generally annoying. (The person I intend to use this team against does not use a Rapid Spinner, so that is why I think I can rely so much on residual damage.)

Roserade@ Focus Sash
Timid/Poison Point
252Spd/152Spc.Def/100Spc.Atk
~Energy Ball
~Toxic Spikes
~Leech Seed
~Sleep Powder

It is my lead of pretty much every team I make, since I <3 Roserade, and it is my favorite pokemon and all. Sleep them, then set up the spikes and seeds.


Magnezone@ Chople berry
Modest/Magnet Pull
252Spd/252Def/4Spc.Atk
HP (Ice)
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave
Reflect

General supporter, would like one more support move on it. Locks Skarmory/Scizor very well, and the Chople berry provides a small suprise for Infernape and other Fighting types.

Tentacruel@ Black Sludge
Bold/Liquid Ooze
252HP/100Def/152Spec. Def
Rapid Spin
Giga Drain
Surf
Toxic Spikes

I want to get rid of this guy. He's the closest thing I have to a sweeper, and I don't want one of those. I am looking for a Water wall, maybe a Gorebyss or something. The only thing he comes in handy for is completing the second set of Toxic spikes if Rose dies.

Dusknoir @ (Empty)
Brave/Pressure
252DEf/252Spec.Def/4Atk
Fire Punch
Trick Room
(Empty)
Pain split

One of my more favorite walls, I want a few more slow people in here so that Trick room will get more use.


Umbreon @ Leftovers
Careful/Synchronize
80HP/10Atk/168Def/252Spc.Def
Wish
Toxic
Curse
Payback

The Curse/Payback combo, plus Wish to heal and Toxic to kill stuff while Wishing. I was thinking of Protect somewhere, but I can't seem to find where it would go.

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish/Sand stream
252HP/4Atk/125Def/125Spc.Def
Earthquake
Roar
Stealth Rock
Toxic

Another of my favorite walls. I want to get rid of Toxic for maybe Protect, he sets up my rocks, and Roars to mess people up.

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I am unsure how many teams I am allowed to post per a certain amount of time, and if that limit is one, then I apoligize. (This is my second) Like I said, I do not plan on using this competitively, and I would REALLY appritiate suggestions on how to replace Tentacruel, and maybe Magnezone. All that I ask is that no Ubers or Legendaries are suggested, hmm. Thanks!!!!!!!! (I would really appritiate a list of possible walls I could utilize, not skarmory though)

 

[DonkeyKongUh]

This is not a team that I intend to play competitively, of course, but it is just something that I want to play against a few friends with. I am trying to have every pokemon in it be able to sustain a few hits, heal themselves, and be generally annoying. (The person I intend to use this team against does not use a Rapid Spinner, so that is why I think I can rely so much on residual damage.)

Roserade@ Focus Sash
Timid/Poison Point
252Spd/152Spc.Def/100Spc.Atk
~Energy Ball
~Toxic Spikes
~Leech Seed
~Sleep Powder

It is my lead of pretty much every team I make, since I <3 Roserade, and it is my favorite pokemon and all. Sleep them, then set up the spikes and seeds.

Get rid of leech seed you dont have time for it. Put in a useful HP like fire (as steels like to come into your toxic spikes). Sub energy ball for grass knot or leaf storm Roserade cant take a hit so i would make it a bit more sweeper oriented, but i guess its fine.


Magnezone@ Chople berry
Modest/Magnet Pull
252Spd/252Def/4Spc.Atk
HP (Ice)
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave
Reflect

General supporter, would like one more support move on it. Locks Skarmory/Scizor very well, and the Chople berry provides a small suprise for Infernape and other Fighting types.

You prettymuch have to use magnet rise with zone... I don't see the point of the chople berry... give it leftovers instead. Zone's not a great supporter but i guess the set works...

Tentacruel@ Black Sludge
Bold/Liquid Ooze
252HP/100Def/152Spec. Def
Rapid Spin
Giga Drain
Surf
Toxic Spikes

I want to get rid of this guy. He's the closest thing I have to a sweeper, and I don't want one of those. I am looking for a Water wall, maybe a Gorebyss or something. The only thing he comes in handy for is completing the second set of Toxic spikes if Rose dies.

If u want a spinner go with forretress, just beware of the first weakness. A bulky water type like vaporeon or suicune would work here.

Dusknoir @ (Empty)
Brave/Pressure
252DEf/252Spec.Def/4Atk
Fire Punch
Trick Room
(Empty)
Pain split

One of my more favorite walls, I want a few more slow people in here so that Trick room will get more use.

Give it lefties and will-o-wisp. Not sure if fire punch is the best choice either but w/e...

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Careful/Synchronize
80HP/10Atk/168Def/252Spc.Def
Wish
Toxic
Curse
Payback

The Curse/Payback combo, plus Wish to heal and Toxic to kill stuff while Wishing. I was thinking of Protect somewhere, but I can't seem to find where it would go.

if you want protect you have to get rid of toxic everything else is essential... your call Make sure it has 0 speed iv so its slower for payback.


Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish/Sand stream
252HP/4Atk/125Def/125Spc.Def
Earthquake
Roar
Stealth Rock
Toxic

Another of my favorite walls. I want to get rid of Toxic for maybe Protect, he sets up my rocks, and Roars to mess people up.

Leave toxic on either umbreon or hippo. You really should give him slack off. Aight
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I am unsure how many teams I am allowed to post per a certain amount of time, and if that limit is one, then I apoligize. (This is my second) Like I said, I do not plan on using this competitively, and I would REALLY appritiate suggestions on how to replace Tentacruel, and maybe Magnezone. All that I ask is that no Ubers or Legendaries are suggested, hmm. Thanks!!!!!!!! (I would really appritiate a list of possible walls I could utilize, not skarmory though)

Doesn't seem that well balanced but w/e...

 

[SpelignFial]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47785

few good walls that you could use

Clefable is a good wall too
Clefable @ Flame orb
forgot nature/Magic Guard
252HP/ the rest separate between def spedef and a little spcatt
Trick
Softboil
Cosmic Power
Ice Beam/Flamethrower

I notice that there isn't a Blissey which is also a very good wall and to look through Strategies for pokes you can just go here http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/

 

[NJzFinest]

Magnezone only needs 220 Spd to outspeed CB Scizor and Skarm. It has a great base stat for defense and it's steel, so consider a few more EVs in SpAtk or even some in HP. Chople Berry is nice because it also beats Scizor sets that invest in speed, only problem is that they prolly would have already SD'd as you switched into Zone. You have nice switch-ins to soak up Close Combats and fire moves, so if I were you, I'd give it lefties and more SpAtk/HP investment and not even try to have it take on napes.
Oh, nape, unlike most fighters, also uses fire moves every now and then haha.
Seeing how most of your pokemon are just naturally walls, you can replace reflect for substitute.

Hippowdon should have Slack Off instead of Toxic to help it's stalling. Also, I don't see why to have Toxic at all if you have toxic spikes up. It won't do anything. That being said, you should also remove it from Umbreon. If Roserade fails to put up at least one layer up, which is very unlikely, you still have Tentacruel.
Change Hippo's spread to 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD.

Tentacruel should also have Ice Beam instead of Giga Drain for better coverage/damage. You won't heal much at all from nonSTAB Giga Drain coming off barely decent SpAtk. Knock Off is a nice option since it a royal screw a good number of pokemon that come on the switch.

Why in the world do you have trick room on Dusknoir if half of your pokemon suffers from it? Give it WoW for physical attackers and another elemental punch for better coverage.

Consider Vaporeon, Latias, Jirachi, and Blissey for better Wishpassing.

I think RestTalkers like Gyarados, Suicine, and Tyranitar can fit in nicely somewhere. Also CMSub Jirachi, Celebi, and Raikou have a much easier time being useful with toxic support.

 

[supermarth64]

As much as Poison Point seems useful, note that it only causes regular poison, not toxic poison. That would interfere with your other Toxic Pokemon. Give it Natural Cure instead.

Also, there's no point in running Toxic Spikes on 2 Pokemon, as you have Dusknoir for spin-blocking anyway. If Roserade dies, you're probably doing it wrong. If you take off Toxic Spikes, you might as well replace Tentacruel with whatever you think this team needs the most.

 

[Blackroserade66]

I changed it up a little, and this is what I came up with.



Roserade@ Focus Sash
Timid/Natural Cure
252Spd/152Spc.Def/100Spc.Atk
~Energy Ball
~Toxic Spikes
~Leech Seed
~Sleep Powder


Magnezone@ Salac Berry
Modest/Magnet Pull
252Spd/252Def/4Spc.Atk
HP (Ice)
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave
Reflect

I am still looking for a better item, maybe a Sash to stop EQ, since that has always been this things flaw. Or maybe I will get rid of Reflect for Magnet rise....

Tentacruel@ Black Sludge
Bold/Liquid Ooze
252HP/100Def/152Spec. Def
Rapid Spin
Ice Beam
Surf
Knock Off


Spiritomb@Leftovers
Careful/Pressure
252Def/252Spc.Def/4Atk
Pain Split
Pursuit
Will-O-Wisp
Taunt


Clefable@Flame Orb
Careful/Magic Guard
80HP/168Def/252Spc.Def
Cosmic Power
Wish
Seismic Toss
Trick

I want to get rid of Trick for something more useful. Maybe a Light Screen or Reflect.

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish/Sand stream
252HP/4Atk/125Def/125Spc.Def
Earthquake
Roar
Stealth Rock
Toxic


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This has been working better for me, but I still want to get rid of that Tentacruel once and for all, for a water Wall, or something of that sort.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Well, actually trick is incredibly useful the way your Clefable uses it. Burn orb burns opponents, which lowers their attack power - on a team of walls, that is ideal.

Although I do disagree with some of you move choices for Clefable. If this is a shoddy team, might I suggest Softboiled over wish?

Also, I don't believe Hippowdon really needs toxic. The move is overrated, and you already have toxic spikes. However, did you know Hippowdon can learn slack off?

 

[Blackroserade66]

Oh, wait, I already had Slack off on Hippowdon, I just forgot to edit that part, lol.

And I prefer Wish over Softboiled here since it can heal Spitomb nicely, hmm. But I will try Softboiled again and see if it works.

Do you have any advice for Mangezone though? I really think it needs fixing, and it only pulls through for me against Skarmories and Scizors. I want to fit Manget rise in, but he is always too slow and gets OHKO'ed by EQ before I get a chance to pull it off.

 

[NJzFinest]

For Magnet Rise Zone sets, you have to switch into something safe and Magnet Rise on the switch. It's practically the only way it works.

If you really want Zone, I suggest

@ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 38 HP/220 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Substitute

It's extremely effective at killing an steels (which is important for a team depending on Tspikes) and subbing up during switches on something with base 130 spAtk + dual STAB is pretty amazing.

Btw, what do you do for bulky flyers, dragons, and levitaters?

 

[Blackroserade66]

For dragons I usually use HP ice on Magnezone, and I have always been debating on whether fire or ice would work better, but I can see how fire would be more effective here. For flyers I usually rely on my rocks, but I
am thinking of putting a Swampert instead of Tentacruel, since I have 2 pokemon that resist grass. Then Swampert could work as a physical wall, and it could use Avalanche for flyers such as Zapdos and Salamece.

I can see how levitators can be a problem though. Maybe I could replace trick on Clefable for Gravity, just as an unexpected suprise? Just a thought.

 

[NJzFinest]

With stealth rock support, Zone shouldn't need HP Ice because STAB T.bolt is strong enough
However HP Ice is great for Gliscor. I think you should just test that out. If you switch into a Scizor locked into a resisted move, you don't really need HP Fire.

 

[karthik_king]

STAB T-Bolt is more poewrful than super effective HP ice.