The Smash Democracy Thread

[Marigio300X]

I believe the Vote has already been Krocked, so I'll just see myself out... (K.ROOL FOR SMASH, K.ROOL FOR LIFE!)

 

[jahkzheng]

Well, yeah. Giant floating heads. It still looks more normal to me than Spirits getting into our body, plants that generate explosive seeds while living indefinitely, and a character that can use telepathy and make one see a floating head out of a staff without being scared of it. Opinions ohwellll

Though for the "Next popular" argument, I would again say that Slippy could just do as well. Given you took away the staff and stuff, then Krystal really won't have anything too significant from Slippy (and the rest of Star Fox team) other than the gender, debut and maybe reputation in polls. I mostly just see Krystal up there and, occasionally Slippy is being suggested as a joke character but, if he really appeared, it would do a much bigger surprise (and hype? idk) to the fans. One may suggest that Slippy had bad reputations (I see positive ones too, especially in Japan, where his voice is less of an annoyance), but so did Krystal, about the sexualization (as in furry porns? I've yet to see slippy in one, maybe he's just not quite well received and had no fur to be in one), the game she was stapled with, etc. Chances are, if Star Fox's gonna get a forth rep (I really don't see this coming to be frank), Slippy would be given a slightly higher consideration because of the "2nd part collabs get less love" possibility.

Also there would be some plot error in Falco's Smash Taunt in Lylat cruise, where the team members, including Krystal and Slippy, said they wanted to get in Smash. If they really got in, there would be problems. Whether the player bought the character or not, would make no sense if they're bought. One can argue by simply removing the conversation and replace with another one, since they need extra work for the new character's conversation anyway, but... hey, what would Krystal's Smash Taunt be? Panther endlessly flirting on her? (Okay I solved the question myself so nvm)

Anyway, "Krystallize Smash" for me sounds really like an evil one trying to take over and rule Smash using Krystal for me. In short really creepy. :/

I think the floating head thing during Krystal dialogue just illustrates who's talking. It's like having an image of a person's face next to text dialogue. An artistic choice for the game that may have been confusing. The fact that Fox is surprised when he first sees Krystal in the flesh is proof that he never actually saw a "floating head" when she spoke telepathically. Also, the fact that he never actually looks at the floating head. I'll add to this that apparently Krystal stored her message to Fox in the staff in perhaps an automated way. That's why we get an explanation of what the staff is and does but she doesn't throw in a call for help too. It's not until Fox is physically closer to her that he can hear her calls for help and realizes the staff's former owner is actually in trouble.

Disregarding the staff, Slippy very well has as much unique potential as Krystal. Krystal has big support but also a fair number of people that actually don't want her. Slippy has relatively little support, and the people that don't like him don't hate him like Krystal haters hate Krystal for the most part, but simply think having Slippy would be dumb. It's a different environment for both characters, but they both suffer from people not wanting them. Krystal just happens to have proportionally more supporters. I think it's also easier for people to imagine a moveset for her, especially when the staff is considered. If Slippy got in, we could hope he'd be original and the best way to do that would be to truly borrow from Assault's weaponry or reference the new game. Being less "physical", I see Slippy relying on gadgets, even in standards some. I haven't given him as much thought as Krystal for sure.

The cameos in Lylat are "smash taunt" activated, and the character that activates it is never in the cameo. So if Fox smash taunts on Lylat, the characters talking will be Falco, Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, and maybe Star Wolf depending on the location the stage is in during the taunt's activation. Likewise with Falco and Wolf when he was in the game. Krystal would actually get unique smash taunt cameos if they bothered to add that to the game with her. Also, if you're having a Fox versus Falco match on Lylat and Fox uses the smash taunt, Falco will still appear in the cameo even though he's on the playing field too. It's kind of funny, but it proves that there's no issue with "cameo character" conflict.

Heh, it's just a punny verb. Nothing sinister at all. It's like "Smashify"... which is the act of making a non playable character appear with their own playable character art, as defined by Artsy Omni. Making a potential character's name into a verb could likewise describe the act of adding them as playable. K. Rool supporters refer to "the act of K. Rool dominating the ballot" as "Krocking". You just hear them say "Krock" or "Krocked" though. This idea could be applied to K. Rool being added to. "Krock the roster", for instance. Nothing sinister, just an advertising tag line that references K. Rool uniquely. For Krystal, the verb of her name is obvious because of the word "crystal". We could "Krystallize" the vote or the roster in our support campaign. Wouldn't be very catchy if we said "Krystalify" or "Krystalate". The way one interprets our puns and stuff is totally out of our hands though obviously. I'd say "Krystallize" is well received for the most part. We brainstormed for a bit before we decided on it, so the Krystal support group likes it.

 

[Logo12]

For the smash taunt problem, I'm talking about how they would still be saying "I want to join" when they are already in. Having Fox/Falco/Wolf in the conversation as well as the battlefield isn't weird anymore; I mean we can fight with 8 Foxes in a field as well. Not a "cameo conflict", but a "conversation-fact conflict".

Also, you know, since "Crystallize" is already a real verb, having that pun makes me feel ambiguous. Also, that impression thingy.

(Yeah, I'm quite sensitive to these kind of ambiguous shapes, such that Isaac's "Let out a howl" always made me think they're talking about Wolf. XD)

So yeah, while that choice of pun is all sensible and cool to you, it's some kind of uncomfortable pun for me that gives me goosebumps. I'm too sensitive :/

 

[jahkzheng]

For the smash taunt problem, I'm talking about how they would still be saying "I want to join" when they are already in. Having Fox/Falco/Wolf in the conversation as well as the battlefield isn't weird anymore; I mean we can fight with 8 Foxes in a field as well. Not a "cameo conflict", but a "conversation-fact conflict".

Also, you know, since "Crystallize" is already a real verb, having that pun makes me feel ambiguous. Also, that impression thingy.

(Yeah, I'm quite sensitive to these kind of ambiguous shapes, such that Isaac's "Let out a howl" always made me think they're talking about Wolf. XD)

So yeah, while that choice of pun is all sensible and cool to you, it's some kind of uncomfortable pun for me that gives me goosebumps. I'm too sensitive :/

The conversation in question doesn't necessarily imply that they're "not playable"... "they" being Slippy, Peppy, and Krystal... it only implies that they want to fight. It wouldn't conflict too badly really. Krystal's line in particular implies she's the most qualified as well, but of course she'd argue that since she wants in, heh. That's a Falco activated conversation btw, so it's not something Krystal would activate. She'd either have her own or none.

A similar thing happens in one of the cameo conversations on Orbital Gate Assault. The requirement for those cameos aren't Smash taunt activated and Fox and Falco can't be playable characters at the time unfortunately. In one of the conversations Falco teases Fox for wanting to get in on the action, since Fox's behavior appears to imply that he's much more interested in the "smash fight" then the "space battle". Fox is playable but can still wish to join the fray all the same. If Slippy, Peppy, or Krystal made it on the roster, that one Falco activated conversation on Lylat wouldn't really be all that weird either.

 

[Logo12]

Welp, that's a different matter I suppose. In Falco's conversation, They're talking about the Smash Bros game as a whole if I remember.

For the Orbital Gate Assault thing, it basically makes sense because Fox and Falco (or implied as "All of the Star Fox Team") is not in the battle and instead in the mission. Fox sees as he missed out some fun, and showed unintentionally that he wanted to join that battle.

"Krystal: Yes, but don't you find it... odd? I've never even seen some of his opponents before."

Yeah, here.

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't really like the concept of this thread.

The people as individuals should vote for the characters they love, not for the characters the Smash speculation community thinks are OK.

A little 5 year old voting for Steve from Minecraft just because they love Minecraft is just as valid on this ballot as voting for characters that "deserve" to be in according to people who spend all of their time trying to speculate the roster additions.

 

[HakuryuVision]

I don't really like the concept of this thread.

The people as individuals should vote for the characters they love, not for the characters the Smash speculation community thinks are OK.

A little 5 year old voting for Steve from Minecraft just because they love Minecraft is just as valid on this ballot as voting for characters that "deserve" to be in according to people who spend all of their time trying to speculate the roster additions.

Beat me to the punch, but yeah.
The smash ballot is for Nintendo to see who we want to see, not who we "think" is going to be in.

 

[Grimnir]

Beat me to the punch, but yeah.
The smash ballot is for Nintendo to see who we want to see, not who we "think" is going to be in.

But the ballet also asks why we think the character should be playable. Don't you think that might mean Nintendo actually cares about our actual reasoning beyond just liking them?


Yeah, me neither.

 

[Stixicks]

I voted for Bomberman. I was torn between him and Paperboy. We need more retro style characters in my opinion.

 

[DEDEDEDEDEDE]

Nowi. But it'll never happen

 

[Troykv]

I still don't understand this thread's exact function... But Whatever

I vote for Micaiah because her interesting abilities with Magic and Staffs (also, I love her, her game and the series).
Edit: This post needs this picture

 

[DEDEDEDEDEDE]

I still don't understand this thread's exact function... But Whatever

I vote for Micaiah because her interesting abilities with Magic and Staffs (also, I love her, her game and the series).

That would be good. I'll basically support any Fire Emblem character though.

 

[Sixell]

Paper Mario needs a spot. Many Game and Watch mains actually find it difficult to really connect with any other character and Paper Mario could be the character that we can finally call a secondary (and hopefully, our tourney-viable character). He can have the same properties as GW with the light weight and such, but actually have good frame data and reliable kill moves rather than gimmicks that unskilled people use to get cheap wins and make the character look bad. Hopefully, Paper Mario can be based on The Thousand Year Door version and be the secondary (or even main) that we REALLY need.

 

[DEDEDEDEDEDE]

Paper Mario needs a spot. Many Game and Watch mains actually find it difficult to really connect with any other character and Paper Mario could be the character that we can finally call a secondary (and hopefully, our tourney-viable character). He can have the same properties as GW with the light weight and such, but actually have good frame data and reliable kill moves rather than gimmicks that unskilled people use to get cheap wins and make the character look bad. Hopefully, Paper Mario can be based on The Thousand Year Door version and be the secondary (or even main) that we REALLY need.

NO! No more clones! Please.

 

[Sixell]

I wasn't talking about a clone. For instance, some extremely different characters have similar properties, whether it's weight, frame data, or the properties of a move. Think Kirby and Ike. Their up b's are similar in that they rise and then fall with a spike hitbox. But even in saying that, I'm not saying that Paper Mario and Game and Watch should have identical movesets. In fact, I want them to be very different, but similar enough that transitioning from one character to another would be relatively easy. And no, Paper Mario wouldn't even be a clone of Mario or Doc in the slightest. The ideal Paper Mario would have moves that are hammer-based, and maybe include some of the items from TTYD like the power jump (basically spiky metal shoes.) For instance, it could be a D-air spike. No, the projectiles don't even have to be fireballs. He can throw his hammer in TTYD. So if he does that, he can have a unique property like not being able to use smash attacks for maybe 3-5 seconds (which I'd assume are all hammer moves) since the projectile could be powerful and is also the hammer he uses to attack.

However, if it's three Marios being in the game that bothers you, blame the inclusion of Doc.

 

[aldelaro5]

Paper Mario needs a spot. Many Game and Watch mains actually find it difficult to really connect with any other character and Paper Mario could be the character that we can finally call a secondary (and hopefully, our tourney-viable character). He can have the same properties as GW with the light weight and such, but actually have good frame data and reliable kill moves rather than gimmicks that unskilled people use to get cheap wins and make the character look bad. Hopefully, Paper Mario can be based on The Thousand Year Door version and be the secondary (or even main) that we REALLY need.

....you actually said stuff I didn't know.

REALLY? I don't check the G&W forum anyway, but I didn;t thought g&w mains actualyl would want him.....

Cause there is a very indirect relation as to why i like g&w and paper mario, but it has to do with my bad eyesight.

As for the character......tbh, I find it hard to believe he would be that similar than g&w, tbh, the playstyle and feel I found for him is vastly different. And I do feel you would have at least one gimmick, but ont he other hand, I feel it;s more something that would add to the playstyle.....not being based on it however.

idk, but I just feel he would be that much different than g&w to feel it would be that easy to use even if you main g&w.....

However, I do feel the same about kill moves.....