The morality of war and human conflict

[Digital Watches]

Hitler was undoubtedly evil. I can never forgive the jews for crucifying Christ or creating the dradle, but they don't deserve to die.

I never really got that logic. First off, aren't christians GLAD that Jesus was crucified, due to all that salvation and atonement nonsense? Secondly, why are you blaming an entire religion for actions that not only reeked of Romans, but were also undoubtedly not committed by anyone that's STILL ALIVE TODAY? But that's not really the topic at hand.

War is always a cause of death, true, but those who die do so willingly. War is a noble cause if it saves the lives of people who don't die for a job. War can not be avoided, and I believe as long as their is a noble cause to fight for war should be fought.

What about the draft? Did those people choose to die?

Many causes claim to noble but in reality favor one race, group, or nation. The noble cause benefits everyone and saves lives. Not that simple, but it's not too difficult to figure out.

Whatever. Politicians are great at branding their causes as "Noble" when they hardly ever are. That kind of mentality makes us more susceptible to this propoganda.

 

[AltF4]

I can never forgive the jews for crucifying Christ or creating the dradle, but they don't deserve to die.

Wow... I mean... wow.... I don't want to turn this into a religious debate, so I will only reply with... wow. I can't stand intolerance.


On Topic: I think we've come to a consensus here that war isn't inherently immoral. There are certainly cases where the only appropriate action is war, proving the point. The only alternative is complete pacifism.

Maybe we should start up on specific wars then. Our current war, and maybe WWII would be great.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Wow, um, I think throwing in the 'inventing the dradle' part would let everyone know I was joking. I just watch South Park a lot, and Cartman is my favorite character.

I won't even start with politicians, because they almost all of them cheat and play dirty.

Regarding drafts, that's what Canada is for. People always had the choice of running or physically disabling themselves to get out of the military. I do believe drafts are wrong though.


I would love a topic on specific wars. I would love discussing the 'War on Terror', and WWII disputable bombing of Japan.

 

[Digital Watches]

Wow, um, I think throwing in the 'inventing the dradle' part would let everyone know I was joking. I just watch South Park a lot, and Cartman is my favorite character.

Fair enough. Sorry, people say that sort of thing seriously so often these days.

I won't even start with politicians, because they almost all of them cheat and play dirty.

And yet most wars are started by politicians, so they actually have a startling relevance to this topic.

Regarding drafts, that's what Canada is for. People always had the choice of running or physically disabling themselves to get out of the military. I do believe drafts are wrong though.

Um, while many successfully escape the draft this way, people are still arrested for avoiding it. And the solution of mutilating oneself to avoid the draft is demonstrative of the insanity of the practice.

I would love a topic on specific wars. I would love discussing the 'War on Terror', and WWII disputable bombing of Japan.

Make one then.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Fair enough. Sorry, people say that sort of thing seriously so often these days.

Too true

And yet most wars are started by politicians, so they actually have a startling relevance to this topic.

Yet if I start bashing politicians a flame war will erupt, most likely. I won't mention anyone specifically, but seeing as we're a democracy we should be able to vote on wars. That is, we get all the details first, then we get to vote. Do to so much pacifism maybe a 40% vote or around there means 'go to war'.

Um, while many successfully escape the draft this way, people are still arrested for avoiding it. And the solution of mutilating oneself to avoid the draft is demonstrative of the insanity of the practice.

Yeah, drafting should stop, or the people hired should get high pay and a job that isn't life-threatening. We have free will for a reason. If America didn't try to fight its wars alone we wouldn't have a troop shortage problem.

Make one then.

Will do

 

[Digital Watches]

Yet if I start bashing politicians a flame war will erupt, most likely. I won't mention anyone specifically, but seeing as we're a democracy we should be able to vote on wars. That is, we get all the details first, then we get to vote. Do to so much pacifism maybe a 40% vote or around there means 'go to war'.

Um, dude? That's insanity. If 60% of the informed, voting population is against a war, then in what sense is it a democratic decision to go to war? I think the current system of "Only the senate can declare war" would be fine if we didn't have a standing army in times of peace.

Yeah, drafting should stop, or the people hired should get high pay and a job that isn't life-threatening. We have free will for a reason. If America didn't try to fight its wars alone we wouldn't have a troop shortage problem.

Good points.

 

[Falco&Victory]

I agree that the senate does a great job, but the populace does deserve more of a voice, even if several people might not want to fight for a truly noble cause because it might damage the economy. It all comes back to what is noble though, many Americans might live off the slogan, 'payback's a b****'

 

[Digital Watches]

I agree that the senate does a great job, but the populace does deserve more of a voice, even if several people might not want to fight for a truly noble cause because it might damage the economy. It all comes back to what is noble though, many Americans might live off the slogan, 'payback's a b****'

Yeah, so if you're for the people having more of a voice, why the hell are you for 40% being the necessary plurality required to GO TO ****ING WAR?

 

[Falco&Victory]

I just pulled 40% out of no where, because a lot of people would protest to saving lives simply because it would damage the economy, then of course all the hippies(real hippies, not just pacifists) would vote against, then so would all the pacifists. People like to ignore the fact that lives will to be lost.

 

[Digital Watches]

I just pulled 40% out of no where, because a lot of people would protest to saving lives simply because it would damage the economy, then of course all the hippies(real hippies, not just pacifists) would vote against, then so would all the pacifists. People like to ignore the fact that lives will to be lost.

What astounds me is it that you'll consider pacifists and the like a reason to set such a low "majority," and yet the probably more dangerous large demographic of people who would love to go to war for no good reason does not shake you from this insane proposition.

 

[Falco&Victory]

There are just too many stupid people out there. Maybe the government should spend money(our money) to give us each a long series of tests, so a small percentage of us could vote on going to war lol.

 

[Digital Watches]

There are just too many stupid people out there. Maybe the government should spend money(our money) to give us each a long series of tests, so a small percentage of us could vote on going to war lol.

Yeah, I'm sure that the people deemed too stupid (by the government?) to vote will take kindly to that idea.

 

[Falco&Victory]

There is no such thing as a perfect system(unless the stupid do hard labor, the semi-stupid supervise, and the smart use dead stupid people for food and other products).... Disregard that last statement.

 

[Digital Watches]

There is no such thing as a perfect system(unless the stupid do hard labor, the semi-stupid supervise, and the smart use dead stupid people for food and other products).... Disregard that last statement.

True, but any system in which the government decides who can vote is pretty **** flawed, even by comparison.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Yeah... unless we voted on who got to vote!!! Then the majority would always get... get to.... f**k

Again, no system is perfect. Our democracy is fine how it is.

 

[Digital Watches]

Yeah... unless we voted on who got to vote!!! Then the majority would always get... get to.... f**k

Again, no system is perfect. Our democracy is fine how it is.

...Except for the standing army.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Agreed, in a time of peace why are we wasting valuable resources on an army? As long as we have defense systems no one will dare invade us. Especially since all bordering countries are on great terms with us.