'V'
Smash Lord
Walking and Foxtrotting really aren't that good. They're just slightly better alternatives over being committed to your dash.
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The Louisiana Thread: Flarefox Forever - We are alive.
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Yams Everywhere
Smash Apprentice
There's always pivot walking
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
I have more control with walking. I try to use running to close the distance.
Sudai
Stuff here
Yeah but its still not really a 'movement option.' Walking is 100% standard to all fighting games lol
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KinGly
Smash Journeyman
Does anyone else feel sick when they're watching high level smash 4 play and one of the guys rolls 3-4 times in a row then grabs. As a pm/melee enthusiast, I've engrained into my soul that that is awful.
KinGly
Smash Journeyman
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
It's one way to move unless you're wanting wavedashing back.
Dr.Faust
Smash Cadet
I just think that the game needs to be look at as a different game all together. Like the transition from Marvel 2 to 3.
iceman48
Smash Journeyman
Marvel 3 might have been dumbed down, but it didn't purposefully remove game mechanics to prevent players from making the game competitive. Fair enough comparison as far as speed goes I guess, but not in terms of high level competition. I hope people play it though, it's fun as hell.
'V'
Smash Lord
I'm glad that at least some people here get it.
Also, Marvel 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel 3
Also, Marvel 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel 3
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Sudai
Stuff here
Even just legit dash dancing would be enough to make me happy. There's extremely little mix up in the movement game. Doesn't need to be fast, doesn't need to be wave dashing, just has to provide options which is something Sm4sh seriously lacks.
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Roboturner
Smash Journeyman
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'V'
Smash Lord
You dash, you walk, and you jump. That's all you can do.
The pivots and all of the stuff that you can do out of your dash are extremely situational due to the game's system mechanics (except for rolling, spotdodging, or shielding, which are all rather predictable and punishable since you can't really do much else). Walking is slow. Jumping puts you at a disadvantage because of the nerf to air-game in general.
We want options that won't put us at a potential disadvantage 66% of the time.
Yams Everywhere
Smash Apprentice
The main thing that bugs me about smash 4 is the game rewards nooby play so much. Even if predicted, rolls are difficult to punish. Counters are ridiculous (I died to a shulk counter at 65% with dk. Why?!). And people can just snag the edge whenever they choose. The games learning curve is non-existent.
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
Potential disadvantage? You might as well not play fighting games because everything comes with a risk.
There's a lot of mixup potential in those three movement options. If you can't see it, that's your problem.
Captain Zack
Banned via Administration
oh, complaining about smash 4 again. sigh we'll never grow as a community if everyone whines over a game we'll probably all be playing eventually.
×MÁR× the best diddy
Smash Apprentice
I thought someone would have it by now <.<. The Nintendo Gamecube adapters on non existent so it's impossible for me to play. OR RATHER I refuse to play without my gamecube controller. The retail price for them is 20$ the online price is 200$ IF you can find one. No one in the BR area has one ;_;?
'V'
Smash Lord
I've played plenty of fighting games where a lot of the movement options and blocked combo strings were made safe by in-game mechanics, including SF4, thank you very much.
You probably haven't played Marvel 3 very much, huh?
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
I hated Marvel 3 though I tried to like it.
And why must a lot of things be safe? As I was mentioning in another thread, some games like Tekken have little in the way of safe techniques.
And why must a lot of things be safe? As I was mentioning in another thread, some games like Tekken have little in the way of safe techniques.
'V'
Smash Lord
I have the game, MAR. I'm just lazy about playing it right now.
iceman48
Smash Journeyman
Kuma, you keep alluding and flat-out comparing this game to other fighting games. This is not other fighting games. We like movement options. That's why we (and you, I assume) play a game with ledgegrabs, platforms, and the ability to turn around for a safer attack. If I wanted my movement options to be confined to run/walk/jump (and jump has been hamstrung), then yeah, I would play Tekken.
Zach, are you suggesting that people stop complaining about a video game? You just crippled the entirety of online forums. The internet would grind to a halt outside of porn and cat videos.
Zach, are you suggesting that people stop complaining about a video game? You just crippled the entirety of online forums. The internet would grind to a halt outside of porn and cat videos.
BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
Iceman what's wrong with porn and cat videos?
iceman48
Smash Journeyman
That's why I have to complain in these forums. It cleanses the palate between porn and cat videos. I don't want them mixing.
'V'
Smash Lord
And that's why Iceman is the MUTHA****IN' ICEMAN, YO!!!
TC123
Smash Cadet
There is a low cost bi-weekly this Sunday in Baton Rouge at Laser Tag of Baton Rouge. We will run Smash 4 Wii u, Melee, and Project M. Here is a link to the event page: https://www.facebook.com/events/1493435530938664/
×MÁR× the best diddy
Smash Apprentice
I shoulda known V was holding out on me. Always V :I
Yams Everywhere
Smash Apprentice
As a last resort, you could use the GameCube controllers that connect to wii motes. I know that they have lag on them, but it's the best you can do until more GC adapters are available.
XKCP
Smash Journeyman
If you're vigilant enough in your searches, you may find one. It seems like some stores have gotten 1 or 2 more in their recent shipments; I got one from a Best Buy down the street after calling them about having any in stock and they said no. One of the other workers knew they had one that had JUST come into the store.
Yams Everywhere
Smash Apprentice
'V'
Smash Lord
Meh. I'm still deciding on if I actually enjoy the game or not, so I'm probably not even the best person to play with right, tbh.
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MuraRengan
Banned via Warnings
Team for glory is a lot of fun. 1v1 for glory not so much. Everybody on 1v1 FG just abuses rolls and it's really boring to play. If that's any indication of how the 1v1 meta is going to develop, than I don't expect to be playing it very seriously. But I'm really interested in how teams may play out.
Also the rage mechanic is the silliest thing I've ever seen. One match I was marth against an incredibly campy Link player. He had me at %210 but couldn't land a kill move, I had him at %40. He messed up one time and I landed a tipper fsmash in the middle of the stage that killed him. Another match I was falcon and I had %150 against a Zelda at like %36. I hit her with a raptor boost and she died. It's ridiculous. Incredibly bad design for competitive play.
Also the rage mechanic is the silliest thing I've ever seen. One match I was marth against an incredibly campy Link player. He had me at %210 but couldn't land a kill move, I had him at %40. He messed up one time and I landed a tipper fsmash in the middle of the stage that killed him. Another match I was falcon and I had %150 against a Zelda at like %36. I hit her with a raptor boost and she died. It's ridiculous. Incredibly bad design for competitive play.
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TFerg
Smash Apprentice
If anything smash 4 is useful for breaking me of my "only approach" habit, because approaching is pretty poo in that game.
Nikz0r
Smash Apprentice
Yams Everywhere
Smash Apprentice
What is the official stagelist for smash 4 for our tournaments?
Cauthon Luck
Smash Rookie
I kind of want to MM Magi in Melee, feeling pretty salty after SALT. Felt like I should have won our set. I played like **** in PM though don't know what that was about.
Yeah, they dropped the ball on some of these decisions. Rolling feels way too safe. Shieldstun is nonexistent too, so you have to space extremely well or you're getting shieldgrabbed every time.
Also, if you guys haven't noticed, inputs on the Cstick neutralize inputs on the control stick. If you hold left on the control stick and hold right on the Cstick for a fair, you'll stop drifting and fall straight down. I think this is why I couldn't fast fall my Fairs like usual, because I would hold the Cstick.
XKCP
Smash Journeyman
Yeah^
I don't know about every mode, but online if you hold the c-stick in a direction then you can start/continue to drift the direction you are inputting regardless of how you move the joystick. I kept trying to do retreating fairs and I would coast straight at the enemy and get punished.
I don't know about every mode, but online if you hold the c-stick in a direction then you can start/continue to drift the direction you are inputting regardless of how you move the joystick. I kept trying to do retreating fairs and I would coast straight at the enemy and get punished.