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The Logic in roster predictions

BoG

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So, for the past few weeks, I've been attempting to try and come up with the perfect list of who will be making it into Brawl. What I've come up with, instead, is a list that I consider is the model that we can almost assuredly expect the roster to follow. So, here goes:

The Confirmed, starting characters:
-Mario
-Peach
-Bowser
-Yoshi
-Wario
-Link
-Zelda
-Kirby
-Pikachu
-Fox
-Samus/ZSS (I'm counting them as one character)
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-Pit
-Ike
-Pokemon Trainer
-Meta Knight

Ok, so confirmed so far we have 17 characters. Now, I think, in all logic, about 20 to 24 characters is MOST LIKELY for the starting Lineup.

That leaves me with one GUARUNTEED starting character who has yet to be revealed to us:
-Captain Falcon; He has got to be in the game, there is NO reason to take him out, though his delayed arrival is odd. I'm calling him a starter though.

Now, what we have, based on these numbers, is 2-7 more starters in my predicted starting lineup. most likely for these spots, BUT, could also show up as unlockables:

-An Earthbound character; The Franklin badge confirms the series will have a rep, not to mention a characters traditional experience. Now, I really don't think Ness will get the cut, but I am not ruling it out. If he returns, the starting spot is his. Otherwise, it is Lucas.

-The Ice Climbers; I'm pretty much going to call that if they are in, they are starters. If they are not starters, they are out.

-A second Star Fox rep; Now, speculated as a rep are Krystal, Wolf, and Falco. IF one of them is a starter, I predict it will either be Falco or Krystal, as a protagonist seems most likely for a starting role. If it is an unlockable, I believe it will most likely be Wolf, though if Falco is in, he is still likely for the cut. Also, I'm not going to rule out Slippy. He's 4th on the list.

-A representative from a newer franchise; Ok, this spot is for either Captain Olimar or an Animal Crossing character.in fact, maybe both. They're all very likely, and I'm going to say would probably get a starting spot, but once again, they could be unlockable, too.

-A second Fire Emblem rep; Now, this one is a little less likely for the starting position, and more on the unlockable side. Most likely, I'm going to say Marth, but the Black Knight and Lyn, and Michaiah are all right next to him. There's always Ephraim, too. Now, once again, I think this is more then likely unlockable, but I won't rule out starting position.

Ok, there is 7 possibilities (counting AC rep and Olimar as 2) I consider MOST LIKELY too start. So, if it is 20 or 24 as I predict, that leaves room for all but one of the above.

Next, Unlockables. First off, the characters who are the OBVIOUS choices we know.

-Snake
-Luigi
-Ganondorf

Ok, now, once again, into the specualtion stage. What I consider MOST LIKELY too make the unlockable cut.

-2 more 3rd party reps; I'm calling 2, it just seems more logical. It's essentially confirmed we'll get at least this many, but who is still speculation. Ruling out the out there predictions, I think it's going to be Sonic, Megaman, Simon B., Black Mage, or Geno who make the cut.

-King DeDeDe. He's just... likely.

-A 3rd starfox character: I'm going to say that the series is popular enough for another playable. In the spot, I say it's most likely wolf or falco if the are in, but I won't rule out Krystal. This one is defenitely a tough call, but I think the series will get 3 reps.

-A 3rd Pokemon; Jigglypuff, Lucario, or otherwise, the series massive popularity WILL get another rep, and I'm going to say they will be unlockable.

-Another Meteroid rep; I'm calling a 2nd metroid character an unlockable. I think it's highly likely, and probably Ridley, but any of the bounty hunters from MP:H have a small shot, and there is always Dark Samus.

-The ever sought after WTF character; While I don't think this one is quite as liely as we all think, but the popularity of the idea will probably get some super-obscure character a shot. As to who, I have no idea. Mike Jones?

With my predictions so far, were at 28-32 characters, which, in my opinion, 32 could very well be the stopping point. I'm going to say we will get more though. For my final stage of speculation, these are the areas that I think are really tough to call, but could still make the cut. Nowhere near as likely as the last set of unlockables.

-A third 3rd party. While I think we'll only get 2, yet another 3rd party rep is always a possibility. I already stated who I consider most likely, so I won't repeat it.

-Pokemon #4; Ok, probably the most likely of this section, but still, a tough call. Once again, I won't repeat myself.

-Starfox rep #4; This one is kind of pushing it, but I won't rule it out.

-Another Earthbound character; If Ness is in, this option becomes MUCH MORE likely, but with him on the ropes it's questionable. Of course, even if Ness is out, we could get Flint or someone, which would be awesome.

-Another Zelda characer; I don't want it, but Midna is always a choice. She could make the cut, which is this spot. Cel Link has a chance, too.

-Mr.Game and Watch; He was in melee, so, why not?

That's only 34-38 characters. If there are 45, I'd have no idea what would come next, but these are what I consider the most logical and most likely choices. To close, what I think WILL NOT HAPPEN:

-Another Mario character; the series has PLENTY of representatives.

-Shadow, Protoman, Volgin... 3rd party sidekicks. They aren't Nintendo, so the main character is the only one who is going to make the cut. You can hold me to these words.

-Pichu, Young Link, Dr.Mario... the despised Melee clones. Sorry, they sucked. They aren't coming back.


So, I hope someone takes the time too read this. As far as I'm concerned, this is the closest to any specualtion. I know I wasn't specific, but my goal was more a rough outline then a solid roster, as anything is possible.

Please, give me feedback. Also, I know my grammar and spelling was probably bad, but this is no enlgish class, so my first draft is what you get.
 

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I really hope I misread what you typed because there is no mention of King Dedede on your "logical" character roster predictions. First of all King Dedede had the highest amount of votes on the poll while other characters like Diddy and Ike had lesser votes yet they made it in. It would be logical to have King Dedede on a character list. It wouldn't make any sense not to.

EDIT

Lol it seems I have misread :/ nevermind my above post then, sorry about that. Oh well at least it can serve as an elaboration to people who are curious about King Dedede's inclusion.

-Knight
 

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I really hope I misread what you typed because there is no mention of King Dedede on your "logical" character roster predictions. First of all King Dedede had the highest amount of votes on the poll while other characters like Diddy and Ike had lesser votes yet they made it in. It would be logical to have King Dedede on a character list. It wouldn't make any sense not to.

EDIT

Lol it seems I have misread :/ nevermind my above post then, sorry about that. Oh well at least it can serve as an elaboration to people who are curious about King Dedede's inclusion.

-Knight
Probably at the same time you were replying I was editing my post, I was REALLY stupid to forget DeDeDe, I'd say he's all but guaranteed, as he is so popular, and could be a really fun character to play.
 

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I can tell you put alot of thought into it, but it's no different than what everyone else predicts.

On top of that, character lists = character discussion.
 

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I've been doing this too. But I came up with this....

Smash Bros Full Roster Predictions.
Key:
*Confirmed
~Updated
^hidden

Veterans

Mario* ~
Link*~
Kirby*~
Pikachu*~
Fox*~
Samus*~
Zelda*~
Bowser*~
Donkey Kong*~
Yoshi*~
Falcon
Ness
Peach*~
Ice Climbers
Gannondorf^
Luigi^
Falco^
Marth^
Jigglypuff^
Mewtwo^

Newcomers

Pit*~
Wario*~
Zero Suit Samus*~
Ike*~
Pokemon Trainer*~
Diddy Kong*~
Metaknight*~
King Deedee^
Olimar^
Krystal^
Miciah^
Ridley^
Cel Shaded Yg. Link^
Black Shadow^
Lucas^
Little Mac^
Tom Nook^

Guest

Snake*^
Sonic^
Megaman^

Cuts:
Pichu
Roy
Dr. Mario
G&W
Yg. Link (normal)
 

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Yeah I think Geno has a better chance of being 3rd party rep...


And op, I think you need to add a retro character as well
 

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Seems very...well logical! :grin:

Anyways, I think the roster will definitely be 40+. With HAL and the mysterious developer putting 100% into the game, APE, Monster, Game Freak, Intelligent Games, amd several other developers making the game, and all of Nintendo backing up the biggest title to EVER hit the Wii, any less is a a disgrace. Especially if Sakurai put making items, a full story mode, ATs, and Pokéball Pokémon before it. If anything, these prove how hard they're working, and how friggen monsterour the staff is in size. Besides, Sakurai and Miyamoto won't release the game until they are satified, and they have high expectations. If you remeber properly, Twilight Princess was delayed 2 years, and OOT was being made for 5 years. They will reach for perfection and beyond it, and they are obviously more than ready at December 3rd to release Brawl. :)

As for characters, I say:

5 to 6 Mario characters [6 if Geno makes it]:
-Mario
-Bowser
-Peach
-Luigi. Still a clone, but barely.
-Bowser Jr.
-possibly Geno

2 to 3 Donkey Kong characters:
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-possibly Dixie Kong or K. Rool. If K. Rool, more then not he'll be a Bowser clone

5 Zelda characters:
-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf
-Wind Waker Link. Probably a semi-clone/Luigified clone.
-Midna w/t or w/o Wolf Link or Shiek

3 or 4 Metroid characters:
-Samus
-Zero Suit Samus
-Ridley
-possibly Dark Samus. DS would probably be a clone.

3 Kirby characters:
-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-King Dedede (dededededededededededededededededededededededededededededededededede)

3 or 4 Star Fox characters:
-Fox McCloud
-almost guarenteed: Krystal
-Great chances: Falco. Most a decloned Fox clone like Luigi from SSB64 to Melee.
-Probably will happen: Wolf. A very likely seemingly last minute addition. Fox clone. :)

5 Pokémon characters:
-Pikachu
-the Pokémon Trainer
-Lucario
-Mewtwo
-Jigglypuff
-Blazekeing stands a VERY minor chance or replacing Mewtwo or Jigglypuff

3 Fire Emblem characters:
-Ike
-Marth
-Roy [most likely] or the Black Knight. Probably a Marth or Ike clone.

1 or 2 EarthBound/Mother characters:
-Ness. Probably won't be cut.
-possibly Lucas. If both, Lucas is a Ness clone. Slight chance of just Lucas. If just Lucas, he'd be a exact copy of Ness.

1 F-Zero character:
-Captain Falcon
-There is a very small chance of Blood Falcon, Pico, etc. making it, but it's unlikely with the 2nd most reconizable F-Zero character in Samurai Goroh being cut.

7-9 Other Nintendo characters:
-Pit
-Wario
-Yoshi
-Ice Climbers. Return for originality.
-Mr. Game and Watch. Return for originality, honoring his dead creator, and for being the original Nintendo video game character.
-Captain Olimar. Originality at one of it's peaks. Definitely.
-Miis. Likely add. This would add layers to the already amazing amount of customizability! :)
-possibly Balloon Fight(er): Uniqueness, and we all know the Brawl rumors.
-possibly Mach Rider: Same as Balloon Fighter, except he's a lot less likely.
-possibly another absurdely awsome character: Too many options to list

3 3rd Party characters:
-Solid Snake: I'm positive he;s in! :grin:
-Most likely Sonic the Hedgehog: Unless Sega is stupid, he's in.
-More than not Megaman: As their mascot, he's got a good shot. Add in his popularity, and he's a gaming icon, and he wins.
-possibly Geno: Added him to Mario, so he doesn't count here. But SMRPG is one of the biggest cult classic 4th gen followings. Along with EarthBound, and we all know about Ness. ;)
-has a small chance of happening: Simon Belmont: He's no icon, and most gamers don't know him. However, don't cross his chances off yet.
-Very little chance: Bomberman: He's not a icon, and his games don't sell. Little chance, if any, but don't cross him off.
-Many other characters: Lots of choices, but Sakurai will probably aim for the icons, and maybe a cult classic, or something.

So ya, that's how I feel the BRAWL roster WILL LOOK! ^_^ And JPW's list with Wind Waker/cel-shaded Young Link ftw! :)
 

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Okay, counting the number of times we've been mindgamed by Sakurai, I don't think anyone can accurately predict character rosters/moves/ect. anymore. Sakurai is just too smart for us all.
 

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This thread demonstrates extremely horrible logic. First off, stating that Captain Falcon will return simply because "there is NO reason to take him out" means nothing. Yes, I believe he has a chance at returning, but there is no guarantee. The second item that stuck out to me was the fact that the Franklin Badge supposedly "confirms" the presence of an Earthbound character. WTF? Since when do items confirm corresponding characters? Why can't the game just have the Franklin Badge? Maybe that's all the representation that Earthbound needs.
 

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This thread demonstrates extremely horrible logic. First off, stating that Captain Falcon will return simply because "there is NO reason to take him out" means nothing. Yes, I believe he has a chance at returning, but there is no guarantee. The second item that stuck out to me was the fact that the Franklin Badge supposedly "confirms" the presence of an Earthbound character. WTF? Since when do items confirm corresponding characters? Why can't the game just have the Franklin Badge? Maybe that's all the representation that Earthbound needs.
I'm also trying to be optimistic. Not to mention, there is no logic in say Captain Falcon won't return. With no reason for him to be out and millions for him to stay, it is very logical he will be in. The Franklin badge combined with the tradition of an Earthbound character makes it logical well see one yet again. I'd even argue the icons are proof, as only playable characters ever get them. Most characters I tried to be open minded about and give decent arguments as too their inclusion, but at this point speculation is ALL we have. Guessing the Falcon is in is a GOOD guess, I don't care what you think, really.
 

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I'm also trying to be optimistic. Not to mention, there is no logic in say Captain Falcon won't return. With no reason for him to be out and millions for him to stay, it is very logical he will be in. The Franklin badge combined with the tradition of an Earthbound character makes it logical well see one yet again. I'd even argue the icons are proof, as only playable characters ever get them. Most characters I tried to be open minded about and give decent arguments as too their inclusion, but at this point speculation is ALL we have. Guessing the Falcon is in is a GOOD guess, I don't care what you think, really.
Then this thread really ought to retitled to "BoG's Logic in Roster Predictions" because you are being driven by emotion and not hard evidence. Of course, I have no proof stating that such characters won't be in, but what would you have to say if Captain Falcon didn't make it? It's funny how people like you say, "Well, character X was in every smash game so far!" Newsflash! There have only been two smash games. Brawl is going to be quite different.
 

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it also be very weird if Falcon didn't make it, especially considering Samurai Goroh is an assist.

Oh what Falcon isn't good enough that he gets cut yet someone like Samurai Goroh is an assist?

Falcon is the F-zero franchise. You can't have a game without Falcon but have Samurai Goroh.
 

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Mr. G&W, Ice Climbers, Mewtwo, and Marth will return from Melee.
There isn't a reason why they shouldn't.. so if anyone has them on their "Cut List" they are fooling themselves.

Earthbound/Mother Series-
Ness will probably return.. he could even look much different and maybe a bit older.
Lucas could then take over Ness's younger look and have a slightly different moveset.
Lucas may not even be represented as a PC but a AT or trophy.. or something.
I expect to see Pokey in the game as a PC or Boss.
 

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What falco have that y. link haven't? Tier position?
Because y.link is way more popular than falco.
 

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I don't see any reason why they're going to cut Doc. They could almost leave him the way he his and he'll be his own character, what with the changes to vanilla Mario.
 

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What falco have that y. link haven't? Tier position?
Because y.link is way more popular than falco.
Are you serious? Who plays young link?

The people who play falco vs. y. link player ratio has got to be like 100:1 or more


Also falcon is definitely returning; the characters that are rumored to be cut are all either clones or characters that nobody plays, and falcon is neither.
 

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Id say that's the whole reason pkmn trainer was released this early, same with snake, just to mess with peoples pre-conceptions of who is and isn't going to be in. And about the y. link stuff, I've seen about the same number of people play samus and puff in the tournament groups I play with, and less people play mario. It's not about how good he is as to if he'll come back, it's the fact that he's a secondary character, and he has to compete wiht all the other secondary characters from the Zelda franchise to keep a spot in brawl, which is hard.

I agree with alot of the stuff on the front page of this thread, it seems pretty well backed up but as everyone here knows, almost anything is speculation because of how good Mr. sak. is at misdirecting people.
 

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Uh, Saw?
Icon=Character.
We all know this to be true. F-ZERO has an icon. F-ZERO has a character.
Icon implies that there will be a character or a stage. Animal Crossing has a stage, yet has a decent chance at not having a character (humans, Nook, Totakeke in the background).

Newsflash! There have only been two smash games. Brawl is going to be quite different.
Newsflash! There have only been two smash games. How do you know Brawl will be quite different? Just because there was a drastic leap from SSB64 to SSBM doesn't mean there will be a huge leap, gameplay or series representation-wise, from SSBM to SSBB.
 

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Newsflash! There have only been two smash games. How do you know Brawl will be quite different? Just because there was a drastic leap from SSB64 to SSBM doesn't mean there will be a huge leap, gameplay or series representation-wise, from SSBM to SSBB.
I cannot believe you just asked me that.

Final Smash
Gliding
Footstool Jump
etc. etc. etc.

DOJO said:
To be honest, there are a LOT of characters that offer a slightly different flavor this time around. If you think they’re all going to be the same as they have been, it’ll be rough for you.
Yeah, Brawl won't be that much different from Melee... >_>
 

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The Character Roster Down Low/ The Sub Thread

Lets see, so far yall, there are a total of, correct me if I'm wrong, only 19 characters confirmed for the Brawl roster; in addition, there are 12 sure shoe-in veterans from Melee who have yet to become confirmed aside from Roy, Dr. Mario, and Pichu. <----I believe that they're gonna get the boot from Brawl's roster. *waves*

And then there's these 2 third party characters by the names of Sonic and Megaman who could make a definite appearance.

Altogether that adds up to be 33 characters in all. *sweat drop* I dunno but day by day I'm expecting something a bit more from Sakurai-sensai. What I'm tryin to get at is that there are so many many other "new" characters that I want in Brawl like Ridley, Krystal, Dark Samus, Black Knight, Dedede, and the list goes on and on. But this guy.......Sakurai, a brotha just has a gut instinct deep inside me that says I and so many other Smash fans are gonna be disappointed come this December 3rd.:urg:

Well anybody out there feel the way I feel right bout now?
 

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Dude.
If you think this are the only new characters, you're WRONG!
There are going to be a lot of unlockables, and in somewhat less then 3 months, there will be a new character.
 

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Dude.
If you think this are the only new characters, you're WRONG!
There are going to be a lot of unlockables, and in somewhat less then 3 months, there will be a new character.
Now hold on there Smash Child, don't take that kind of tone with a brotha! I'm just callin it how I see it. Open your eyes cuz and see what's before you.

On Smash Sixty 4, we had a total of 12 characters. Hmph....fair enough. The series just came out.

On Smash Melee, we had a grand total of 25 characters. Again, I guess this was a fair amount of peeps on the game.

Now here comes the 3rd installment of Brawl. It's the month of September so you thing there is still plenty of time to put a $hit full of new and familar characters on the game? Well, maybe, but Sakurai just proved that in recent weeks that he fails at life. He made Samurai Goroh an assist trophy and Lyndis. Plus, he's been giving us repetitive updates we already know about and is just flat out dissapointing us all with these half-baked updates. Don't you see, maybe this guy's imagination just isn't as it use to be.

Come December 3rd, chracter wise, expect dissapointment.
 

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Now hold on there Smash Child, don't take that kind of tone with a brotha! I'm just callin it how I see it. Open your eyes cuz and see what's before you.

On Smash Sixty 4, we had a total of 12 characters. Hmph....fair enough. The series just came out.

On Smash Melee, we had a grand total of 25 characters. Again, I guess this was a fair amount of peeps on the game.

Now here comes the 3rd installment of Brawl. It's the month of September so you thing there is still plenty of time to put a $hit full of new and familar characters on the game? Well, maybe, but Sakurai just proved that in recent weeks that he fails at life. He made Samurai Goroh an assist trophy and Lyndis. Plus, he's been giving us repetitive updates we already know about and is just flat out dissapointing us all with these half-baked updates. Don't you see, maybe this guy's imagination just isn't as it use to be.

Come December 3rd, chracter wise, expect dissapointment.
What the heck do you mean with half-baked updates?
Pokémon? AT?
 

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I sure as hell know we won't be disappointed. You have no idea what Sakurai has in store for us, and judging by the characters he's already put in, he hasn't lost his "imagination." You really think he's going to give away the best things early on? No, come November, we'll be getting some awesome updates, trust me.
 

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I sure as hell know we won't be disappointed. You have no idea what Sakurai has in store for us, and judging by the characters he's already put in, he hasn't lost his "imagination." You really think he's going to give away the best things early on? No, come November, we'll be getting some awesome updates, trust me.
Even if we get Melee, just with this characters/stages/music/items/modes added, I would be happy already.
But i know Sakurai is not going to screw it up.
 

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I really hope Sonic is excluded. Sonic fans are really annoying, and a number of them are dirty fur***s.
 

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You all get me wrong, I'm not eliminating Marth and Mewtwo as options, I'm just keeping a wide open mind, it's like a structure for the most likely prediction, and honestly, less seems more likely in my mind. I'm sorry if I offend those who want an unbalanced mass of playables.
 
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