The Interesting Ledge Properties of Falco Phantasm

[Indigo Jeans]

Ok, so, I'm not sure if this is well known or anything, or if it has already been posted, but here goes:


One of my favorite things to do in Brawl is to mess with the game and figure out glitches. So one day, I started messing with ledgehang-quickdrop-shorthoping (LHDSH) a Falco phantasm. I discovered that depending on where you use the FP relative to the edge, four different things can happen.

1)Falco will simply grab the edge with the FP animation trailing behind him.

2) Falco will grab the edge, but the hitbox of the FP will go into the stage and extend to the center.* Opponents may get damaged by it.

3) Falco will sort of pop up a little then fall without grabbing the ledge.

4) Falco will appear on the very edge of the stage facing forward in his idle animation, ready to attack.


The one I find most intriguing is #4, because AFAIK, that's pretty close to Wolf's scarring. The timing is sort of hard to pull of and explain, but you'll eventually be able to know when. I think this can be useful when mastered to surprise attack opponents.

Also, when I went frame by frame, I saw that what caused Falco to suddenly appear on the edge is this: There is a single frame where you can see Falco face-up, with most of his body stuck inside the stage, and near the center. This only lasts for one frame, so it's practically undetectable at the game's average frame rate. I'm guessing that Falco's magic trick is caused by the game getting confused by his unnatural position, and putting him in the next best place in terms of sense.

So, please discuss, tell me if this is worth mastering (specifically #4), and please don't flame. I don't appreciate that crap.

*NOTE- This was tested on Final Destination, left side.

 

[BleachigoZX]

You have videos? The second thing looks interesting. I'm assuming that the 2nd one is a frame perfect one.

This looks very interesting.

I'm positive effect 1 and 3 are known; 2 and 4 are not, I think.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Yeah, I saved two replays of #4, but #2 happened about three times in a tourney, so I couldn't get replays. :<

I could send you the replays, since I don't have a Dazzle.

I'll try to get #2.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Sure, we need to give each other our codes first.
Brawl:On the left
Wii: 8554-1418-5813-1583

I have yours already.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Ok, I'll register you in a sec.

 

[SuSa]

I knew about 4 and have seen it, it's pretty hard to do. Fox can do it also

Also many characters can Semi-Scar... <_<

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I wonder if you can do any of this stuff with a canceled phantasm. Or it has to be in the middle of the animation before getting canceled and cooldown lag.

I knew about 4 and have seen it, it's pretty hard to do. Fox can do it also

Also many characters can Semi-Scar... <_<

I noticed the semi-scar thing whenever I use MK. If I UpB glide back to the ledge and glide attack MK seems to slide on the ground a bit and alwasy turns around. Although, I am not sure if the turning around is simply my input but it happens often.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I knew about all 4 of these, but I'll do more testing on it tomorrow if I can help in any way.

#2 also reminds me of doing firebird horizontally to the edge, where the hitbox extends at the last few frames before you grab the edge. Whether it helps in stopping edge guarding...phantasm is still the way to go.
d(^_^)b

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Hey, thanks!

 

[WaterTails]

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this just Phakeouting?

And to add on to number four, the hitbox is out for a while, too.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Yeah, that's what happens. I'm guessing this was already known, then?

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

Hey, thanks!

*Yawn* G'morning Smashers.

So I did some testing recently and here's a little info:
When Falco prepares the FP, his right arm must be entirely above the stage and not in it, in order for #3 and #4 to happen. But they each have some sort of absolute timing.

This looks hard to master if you want #4, cause #3 happens more often but it can still do mindgames. And if this works with Fox too, then it's 2 times more difficult cause I didn't get #3 nor #4 with him all.
But if this is already known then oh well. ^_^

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Yeah, I had known about where the arm has to be. The problem is seeing when you have to FP, because the arm isn't in that position until you do so. And you can't pause in a tourney, so....

 

[gunterrsmash01]

2) Falco will grab the edge, but the hitbox of the FP will go into the stage and extend to the center.* Opponents may get damaged by it.

yeah, this could be ****ing amazing.

 

[kailo34ce]

Thanks for this thread,no sarcasm

But this stuff was figured out in the first weeks

If you can't find it in the falco archives or whatev blame ****ty smashboards w00t

 

[BleachigoZX]

Well I think it is too hard to apply.
So I give up.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Impossible to perfect, similar to phantasm canceling.

Almost no room for error, only a few pixels difference.

 

[person701]

I don't feel like reading the whole topic, but I've had an instance where I've phantasmed at edge level and (on FD) Falco went under the stage and proceeded to, what looked like, teleport under the middle of FD. =_= I have a replay if anyone wants me to upload it.