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That's actually a pretty cool idea, and a decent compromise. Playable bosses as asymmetric gameplay, but not as standard characters. Hmm...I'm calling it: Ridley and Mewtwo are WiiU stage-bosses controllable with the Wii-U gamepad.
*shrug* just a guess
I disagree. It would feel like a slap in the face to kinda be able to play as who you want, except not really. And only one one stage to boot.
I think it would actually be pretty cool to have a 5th player be able to have limited control over the stage bosses or stage hazards. It would make FFA smashfests a little more interesting.
That is beautiful.Isaac
Series: Golden Sun
Debut: Golden Sun: The Broken Seal
Disconfirmation: September 11, 2014 (Final Roster Reveal)
Role: None
"I knew what I was doing the moment I raised my sword."
Isaac is the protagonist of the first two books of the Golden Sun saga. Isaac is a Venus Adept, a user of the ancient Alchemical skill known as Psynergy. Psynergy is the ability to manipulate the elements of the world with one's mind. Isaac, being a Venus Adept, specializes in the Earth element. These skills include earthquakes, avalanches, plant growth, telekinesis, healing or reviving allies, manifesting ethereal swords, and limited teleportation.
His hometown of Vale is beset by powerful foes who steal the Elemental Stars, mighty relics that house the key to unlocking the power of Alchemy and its potential to destroy the world. These thieves are helped by an old friend, Felix, who Isaac had thought died three years earlier, and they take Felix's sister Jenna, as a hostage along with them. Isaac sets off on an adventure to stop the thieves, recover the Elemental Stars, save Jenna, and save the world. Along the way, he befriends a number of other Adepts, and a large number of elemental Djinn, cute little embodiments of elemental force that strengthen Adepts and allow them to use Psynergy of other elements, further increasing his impressive arsenal of mental powers. Djinn can also be used to attack directly, or called upon to summon incredible spirits to attack foes.
Eventually, Isaac falls into a trap, only to be saved by Felix. As he confronts his old friend, he is told that, while Alchemy may pose a danger to the world, it is also necessary for the world's continued existence, and that it must be unleashed to save the world. With the disparate parties reunited, Isaac takes the lead to unleash the very power he set out to stop. With the world saved from it's slow demise, Isaac eventually returns to a nearly destroyed home, and settles down to a quiet life with Jenna, whom he later marries and has a son with.
Isaac is pure of heart, often going out of his ways to help others at cost to himself. He spends much of the first game righting wrongs inflicted upon the people of Angara by the foes who stole the Elemental Stars. He rarely speaks, but develops an incredible strength and presence that command attention even among the elite rulers of the world. He is trusting, honest, and quick to defend his friends. He also winds up being one of the most powerful Adepts in the world, and is quite willing to challenge demigods on matters of principle.
The Golden Sun series left of with his son, Matthew, returning home from his own first adventure, only to find no sign of his father at their home. Whatever prompted Isaac to leave, we cannot say. We only know that it was not an invitation to the Smash Bros. tournament.
"!!!"
Assist Trophy not returning in Super Smash Bros. for 3DS.
Isaac, Moving On.
The other, more likely, more logical explanation is that he didn't have TIME to make another unique character, so he crammed in a clone instead as a late addition, since clones take a fraction of the development time to make than a complex unique fighter like Ridley.
Hes not going to be dlc
Roy is obviously a much better choice than Doc
And have people complain about 5 Fire Emblem characters? Even though I am a huge Fire Emblem fan, having two clones of Marth might not sit well with people at all.
Dude, seriously she might be in the Wii U version and transferable between rosters, seriously it makes perfect sense
Also applies to Ridley, Mewtwo, Bandana Dee, Impa... what other characters are left, now that K. Rool's out?
That's about it, seriously Sakurai is not stupid, I'm guessing the 3DS roster disappointment was part of the plan for the game, to push the Wii U version, both rosters could have transferable characters, Sakurai said he'd like to experiment with the connectivity between Wii U and 3DS, and what better way than having the Wii U have more characters, which can be transferred to 3DS via the connection abilities, and technically both games could have the same rosters that way, it strikes me as something Sakurai would do, hype up a platform's newest features (Melee's FMV intro for GCN, and Brawl's WiFi Connection for Wii)
This is beautiful.Ice Climbers
Series: Ice Climber
First Game: Ice Climber
Disconfirmation: Sept 11: Final Roster Reveal
Role: Left Out In The Cold
Some people really don't know what they've had until it's gone. Many feel the same way about this adorable duo. I, though, had a much stronger personal connection to them. Unlike most, I knew them before Smash Bros. I had played their game when I was very young. A friend of my father had a few old arcade machines, and let me play them sometimes. I remember he had three: Mario Bros., Pac-Man, and Ice Climber. I was drawn to the latter. I'd completely forgotten about this until years later when I discovered Smash Bros. I saw them, and suddenly I was drowned by nostalgia. They'd been brought back.
I had hoped that someday they'd get a new game. A mountain-climbing adventure game with side quests, weather conditions, and scary wildlife. That day never came, sadly. They'd been forgotten, but at least not by Smash Bros. There, they'd live on. Forever.
Brawl came out, and it was an exciting time. To my surprise, quite a number of people were calling for the Climbers to be cut. "Irrelevant!" they'd say. "Unknown!" they'd chant. But I never let it get me down. Sakurai cared enough to bring them back from obscurity once, so I was sure he'd do it again. And he did! Sure, they were revealed much later than most characters. In fact, if I remember correctly, they were the third to last character revealed pre-release, with only Sheik and Olimar following. They looked beautiful, too. Brawl was quite the graphical update.
I never could effectively chain grab or wobble, but I never let that get me down. I just enjoyed playing as them. I started speculating for Smash 4 hardcore around early 2011, joining Smashboards in August. The 3DS came out, and on its Virtual Console, the first thing I did was download Ice Climber. It was the perfect game on the go. Life was good again. These days, those who called for the Climbers to be cut were near impossible to find. Many loved these little mountaineers. I was overjoyed to see others feel the way I did. I started speculating new Ice Climber stages, how some moves could be improved, thoughts to fix the chaingrab issue, and many other things. I was overjoyed to hear that soon their little fuzzy parkas would shine in brilliant HD.
The first trailer was shown, and everyone was blown away. Slowly, more and more characters were revealed. The Ice Climbers weren't shown right away, but hey, we still had time. They'd make it. They were guaranteed. Even if several anniversaries were missed, along with NES Remix.
The April Direct brought about the announcement of Smash Run. In it, I was overjoyed to see the Polar Bear take part in Smash Run as an enemy. This virtually confirmed the Ice Climbers! Why else would they bring back the Polar Bear?
Months pass. Still no Ice Climbers. I figure they'll again be among the last revealed. It happened in Brawl, I told myself. Late in the summer, a cryptic leak came about. You all know the one. It was text based. In it, they claimed the Ice Climbers were cut. While the information seemed believable, I didn't buy it. It was simply because they weren't in the build they saw. They likely still had some of those pesky "technical issues" to take care of on the 3DS. Sakurai wouldn't forsake them...would he?
Next comes late August. The leak now had picture evidence from the ESRB. It showed the roster. The Ice Climbers were nowhere to be found. Filled with despair, there was one last bit of hope I held on to. The lock. As a moderator, locks were part of my daily life. Now things just got meta. The lock meant some characters weren't unlocked!
Shulk was then shown to be exactly as the leak showed. This wasn't good. Eventually, we come to September 11th. The street date for Smash 3DS in Japan is broken. Tension stirs. Sadly, when the "All Characters Unlocked" message appears, the Ice Climbers are nowhere to be found. The Polar Bear's trophy has the Smash Bros. Symbol, instead of an eggplant. Hope was gone.
The Ice Climbers are without a doubt the most tragic loss. They had been reborn through Smash. They had been a staple in the series for thirteen long years. Now they're gone, likely through the 3DS limitations. They lost the only thing they had keeping them alive: Smash Bros.
Their only hope, no matter how slim now, is if they are on the Wii U version's starting roster, and are free 3DS DLC when Sakurai and his team figure out how to solve their issues. They'd do that for them. Sakurai wouldn't abandon them, would he? Right?
I'll preface by saying that I cannot draw. Given the circumstances, however, I doodled a thing.
Pardon my awful drawing and handwriting.
Rest in peace, Nana and Popo. Yours was truly the most devastating loss.
That Wreck It Ralph reference ..... it's making the feels hit me harder. ;_;Ice Climbers
Series: Ice Climber
First Game: Ice Climber
Disconfirmation: Sept 11: Final Roster Reveal
Role: Left Out In The Cold
Some people really don't know what they've had until it's gone. Many feel the same way about this adorable duo. I, though, had a much stronger personal connection to them. Unlike most, I knew them before Smash Bros. I had played their game when I was very young. A friend of my father had a few old arcade machines, and let me play them sometimes. I remember he had three: Mario Bros., Pac-Man, and Ice Climber. I was drawn to the latter. I'd completely forgotten about this until years later when I discovered Smash Bros. I saw them, and suddenly I was drowned by nostalgia. They'd been brought back.
I had hoped that someday they'd get a new game. A mountain-climbing adventure game with side quests, weather conditions, and scary wildlife. That day never came, sadly. They'd been forgotten, but at least not by Smash Bros. There, they'd live on. Forever.
Brawl came out, and it was an exciting time. To my surprise, quite a number of people were calling for the Climbers to be cut. "Irrelevant!" they'd say. "Unknown!" they'd chant. But I never let it get me down. Sakurai cared enough to bring them back from obscurity once, so I was sure he'd do it again. And he did! Sure, they were revealed much later than most characters. In fact, if I remember correctly, they were the third to last character revealed pre-release, with only Sheik and Olimar following. They looked beautiful, too. Brawl was quite the graphical update.
I never could effectively chain grab or wobble, but I never let that get me down. I just enjoyed playing as them. I started speculating for Smash 4 hardcore around early 2011, joining Smashboards in August. The 3DS came out, and on its Virtual Console, the first thing I did was download Ice Climber. It was the perfect game on the go. Life was good again. These days, those who called for the Climbers to be cut were near impossible to find. Many loved these little mountaineers. I was overjoyed to see others feel the way I did. I started speculating new Ice Climber stages, how some moves could be improved, thoughts to fix the chaingrab issue, and many other things. I was overjoyed to hear that soon their little fuzzy parkas would shine in brilliant HD.
The first trailer was shown, and everyone was blown away. Slowly, more and more characters were revealed. The Ice Climbers weren't shown right away, but hey, we still had time. They'd make it. They were guaranteed. Even if several anniversaries were missed, along with NES Remix.
The April Direct brought about the announcement of Smash Run. In it, I was overjoyed to see the Polar Bear take part in Smash Run as an enemy. This virtually confirmed the Ice Climbers! Why else would they bring back the Polar Bear?
Months pass. Still no Ice Climbers. I figure they'll again be among the last revealed. It happened in Brawl, I told myself. Late in the summer, a cryptic leak came about. You all know the one. It was text based. In it, they claimed the Ice Climbers were cut. While the information seemed believable, I didn't buy it. It was simply because they weren't in the build they saw. They likely still had some of those pesky "technical issues" to take care of on the 3DS. Sakurai wouldn't forsake them...would he?
Next comes late August. The leak now had picture evidence from the ESRB. It showed the roster. The Ice Climbers were nowhere to be found. Filled with despair, there was one last bit of hope I held on to. The lock. As a moderator, locks were part of my daily life. Now things just got meta. The lock meant some characters weren't unlocked!
Shulk was then shown to be exactly as the leak showed. This wasn't good. Eventually, we come to September 11th. The street date for Smash 3DS in Japan is broken. Tension stirs. Sadly, when the "All Characters Unlocked" message appears, the Ice Climbers are nowhere to be found. The Polar Bear's trophy has the Smash Bros. Symbol, instead of an eggplant. Hope was gone.
The Ice Climbers are without a doubt the most tragic loss. They had been reborn through Smash. They had been a staple in the series for thirteen long years. Now they're gone, likely through the 3DS limitations. They lost the only thing they had keeping them alive: Smash Bros.
Their only hope, no matter how slim now, is if they are on the Wii U version's starting roster, and are free 3DS DLC when Sakurai and his team figure out how to solve their issues. They'd do that for them. Sakurai wouldn't abandon them, would he? Right?
I'll preface by saying that I cannot draw. Given the circumstances, however, I doodled a thing.
Pardon my awful drawing and handwriting.
Rest in peace, Nana and Popo. Yours was truly the most devastating loss.
At least Roy is an original character, unlike Doc, who is an EXACT same character of Mario regardless of moveset.
Shoot.... Has a Cranky Kong trophy been found yet?
he is in jungle japes remember?
Cranky trophy was found all over the place during the E3 demo. He was the first DK trophy found, and unlike K. Rool and Dixie, he didn't even have a new model.
Like Toon Link in Spirit Train?
Must have missed that. Thanks. Gonna go cry now.
Looks like noone shot him downR.O.B was a zombie
Ice Climbers
Series: Ice Climber
First Game: Ice Climber
Disconfirmation: Sept 11: Final Roster Reveal
Role: Left Out In The Cold
Some people really don't know what they've had until it's gone. Many feel the same way about this adorable duo. I, though, had a much stronger personal connection to them. Unlike most, I knew them before Smash Bros. I had played their game when I was very young. A friend of my father had a few old arcade machines, and let me play them sometimes. I remember he had three: Mario Bros., Pac-Man, and Ice Climber. I was drawn to the latter. I'd completely forgotten about this until years later when I discovered Smash Bros. I saw them, and suddenly I was drowned by nostalgia. They'd been brought back.
I had hoped that someday they'd get a new game. A mountain-climbing adventure game with side quests, weather conditions, and scary wildlife. That day never came, sadly. They'd been forgotten, but at least not by Smash Bros. There, they'd live on. Forever.
Brawl came out, and it was an exciting time. To my surprise, quite a number of people were calling for the Climbers to be cut. "Irrelevant!" they'd say. "Unknown!" they'd chant. But I never let it get me down. Sakurai cared enough to bring them back from obscurity once, so I was sure he'd do it again. And he did! Sure, they were revealed much later than most characters. In fact, if I remember correctly, they were the third to last character revealed pre-release, with only Sheik and Olimar following. They looked beautiful, too. Brawl was quite the graphical update.
I never could effectively chain grab or wobble, but I never let that get me down. I just enjoyed playing as them. I started speculating for Smash 4 hardcore around early 2011, joining Smashboards in August. The 3DS came out, and on its Virtual Console, the first thing I did was download Ice Climber. It was the perfect game on the go. Life was good again. These days, those who called for the Climbers to be cut were near impossible to find. Many loved these little mountaineers. I was overjoyed to see others feel the way I did. I started speculating new Ice Climber stages, how some moves could be improved, thoughts to fix the chaingrab issue, and many other things. I was overjoyed to hear that soon their little fuzzy parkas would shine in brilliant HD.
The first trailer was shown, and everyone was blown away. Slowly, more and more characters were revealed. The Ice Climbers weren't shown right away, but hey, we still had time. They'd make it. They were guaranteed. Even if several anniversaries were missed, along with NES Remix.
The April Direct brought about the announcement of Smash Run. In it, I was overjoyed to see the Polar Bear take part in Smash Run as an enemy. This virtually confirmed the Ice Climbers! Why else would they bring back the Polar Bear?
Months pass. Still no Ice Climbers. I figure they'll again be among the last revealed. It happened in Brawl, I told myself. Late in the summer, a cryptic leak came about. You all know the one. It was text based. In it, they claimed the Ice Climbers were cut. While the information seemed believable, I didn't buy it. It was simply because they weren't in the build they saw. They likely still had some of those pesky "technical issues" to take care of on the 3DS. Sakurai wouldn't forsake them...would he?
Next comes late August. The leak now had picture evidence from the ESRB. It showed the roster. The Ice Climbers were nowhere to be found. Filled with despair, there was one last bit of hope I held on to. The lock. As a moderator, locks were part of my daily life. Now things just got meta. The lock meant some characters weren't unlocked!
Shulk was then shown to be exactly as the leak showed. This wasn't good. Eventually, we come to September 11th. The street date for Smash 3DS in Japan is broken. Tension stirs. Sadly, when the "All Characters Unlocked" message appears, the Ice Climbers are nowhere to be found. The Polar Bear's trophy has the Smash Bros. Symbol, instead of an eggplant. Hope was gone.
The Ice Climbers are without a doubt the most tragic loss. They had been reborn through Smash. They had been a staple in the series for thirteen long years. Now they're gone, likely through the 3DS limitations. They lost the only thing they had keeping them alive: Smash Bros.
Their only hope, no matter how slim now, is if they are on the Wii U version's starting roster, and are free 3DS DLC when Sakurai and his team figure out how to solve their issues. They'd do that for them. Sakurai wouldn't abandon them, would he? Right?
I'll preface by saying that I cannot draw. Given the circumstances, however, I doodled a thing.
Pardon my awful drawing and handwriting.
Rest in peace, Nana and Popo. Yours was truly the most devastating loss.
I kind of wish this thread was excluded so that at least the cut veterans can get proper good-byes... Solid Snake got a few good ones in his "support/prediction" thread, if I recall correctly..quite saddening. :<
Ice Climbers
Series: Ice Climber
First Game: Ice Climber
Disconfirmation: Sept 11: Final Roster Reveal
Role: Left Out In The Cold
Some people really don't know what they've had until it's gone. Many feel the same way about this adorable duo. I, though, had a much stronger personal connection to them. Unlike most, I knew them before Smash Bros. I had played their game when I was very young. A friend of my father had a few old arcade machines, and let me play them sometimes. I remember he had three: Mario Bros., Pac-Man, and Ice Climber. I was drawn to the latter. I'd completely forgotten about this until years later when I discovered Smash Bros. I saw them, and suddenly I was drowned by nostalgia. They'd been brought back.
I had hoped that someday they'd get a new game. A mountain-climbing adventure game with side quests, weather conditions, and scary wildlife. That day never came, sadly. They'd been forgotten, but at least not by Smash Bros. There, they'd live on. Forever.
Brawl came out, and it was an exciting time. To my surprise, quite a number of people were calling for the Climbers to be cut. "Irrelevant!" they'd say. "Unknown!" they'd chant. But I never let it get me down. Sakurai cared enough to bring them back from obscurity once, so I was sure he'd do it again. And he did! Sure, they were revealed much later than most characters. In fact, if I remember correctly, they were the third to last character revealed pre-release, with only Sheik and Olimar following. They looked beautiful, too. Brawl was quite the graphical update.
I never could effectively chain grab or wobble, but I never let that get me down. I just enjoyed playing as them. I started speculating for Smash 4 hardcore around early 2011, joining Smashboards in August. The 3DS came out, and on its Virtual Console, the first thing I did was download Ice Climber. It was the perfect game on the go. Life was good again. These days, those who called for the Climbers to be cut were near impossible to find. Many loved these little mountaineers. I was overjoyed to see others feel the way I did. I started speculating new Ice Climber stages, how some moves could be improved, thoughts to fix the chaingrab issue, and many other things. I was overjoyed to hear that soon their little fuzzy parkas would shine in brilliant HD.
The first trailer was shown, and everyone was blown away. Slowly, more and more characters were revealed. The Ice Climbers weren't shown right away, but hey, we still had time. They'd make it. They were guaranteed. Even if several anniversaries were missed, along with NES Remix.
The April Direct brought about the announcement of Smash Run. In it, I was overjoyed to see the Polar Bear take part in Smash Run as an enemy. This virtually confirmed the Ice Climbers! Why else would they bring back the Polar Bear?
Months pass. Still no Ice Climbers. I figure they'll again be among the last revealed. It happened in Brawl, I told myself. Late in the summer, a cryptic leak came about. You all know the one. It was text based. In it, they claimed the Ice Climbers were cut. While the information seemed believable, I didn't buy it. It was simply because they weren't in the build they saw. They likely still had some of those pesky "technical issues" to take care of on the 3DS. Sakurai wouldn't forsake them...would he?
Next comes late August. The leak now had picture evidence from the ESRB. It showed the roster. The Ice Climbers were nowhere to be found. Filled with despair, there was one last bit of hope I held on to. The lock. As a moderator, locks were part of my daily life. Now things just got meta. The lock meant some characters weren't unlocked!
Shulk was then shown to be exactly as the leak showed. This wasn't good. Eventually, we come to September 11th. The street date for Smash 3DS in Japan is broken. Tension stirs. Sadly, when the "All Characters Unlocked" message appears, the Ice Climbers are nowhere to be found. The Polar Bear's trophy has the Smash Bros. Symbol, instead of an eggplant. Hope was gone.
The Ice Climbers are without a doubt the most tragic loss. They had been reborn through Smash. They had been a staple in the series for thirteen long years. Now they're gone, likely through the 3DS limitations. They lost the only thing they had keeping them alive: Smash Bros.
Their only hope, no matter how slim now, is if they are on the Wii U version's starting roster, and are free 3DS DLC when Sakurai and his team figure out how to solve their issues. They'd do that for them. Sakurai wouldn't abandon them, would he? Right?
I'll preface by saying that I cannot draw. Given the circumstances, however, I doodled a thing.
Pardon my awful drawing and handwriting.
Rest in peace, Nana and Popo. Yours was truly the most devastating loss.
You sir are my freaking hero...Snake
Series: Metal Gear Solid
First Game: Metal Gear (MSX)
Disconfirmation: 9/11/14
Role: Forgotten Hero
It has been a long and arduous road for the hero known as solid snake. Once at the forefront of third party characters for smash bros, he opened the door and set the standard for everyone that came after him. Myself and many will never forget the sheer surprise that was his reveal at E3 all those years ago, we were greeted with a "showtime!" and we knew we were in for a treat. For me personally I was familiar with the mgs series, and id played a number of them over my lifetime, but it wasnt till i saw him in brawl that i went back to it. And i am ever grateful for it because since then its become one of my favorite video game series ever. He is the essence of what smash bros does best, we are introduced to new series and new experiences with all these characters which is why what snake brought was just as integral to the series as any other.
Some say he doesnt fit, but i cant agree, and even in that sense he fits more then any since his juxtaposition makes him just as diverse as the rest of these characters. For months we heard this and much more thrown at snake, everything from "hes not nintendo enough" to "kojima did nintendo no favors" and everything in between was hurled at our hero. But we pursisted, and it didnt put a damper to the fans of snake and their patriotism towards the hero. Sure with each passing month things became harder and harder, but the fight raged on and we kept our cool. There were highs and lows like any speculation, a voice actor supposedly letting it slip he voiced raiden in smash bros was a glimmer of hope. But soon after our dreams were dashed as he was mistaken in his claim, and we were back at square one. Even a direct question from kojima was vague, but it was just enough so that we could possibly see it in a good light, but that too was also another lead that led nowhere. I can say the best that came out of speculation for this game was all the fans of snake and how we have banded together and managed to stave off those who didnt care for the character, while being able to discuss everything we enjoyed abut him.
From codecs to his moveset snake had it all, as the only trap character in the game his style will leave a massive void. His codecs with the colonel and the others were a highlight and treat to behold in brawl, it was superb to see snake trying to deal with forces unlike he had ever seen. But even outside of smash bros snake has taught me more then i could ever imagine. MGS as a series has some somber tones and moral messages, snake as he lived had to deal with hardship and pain throughout it. Hell ill go as far as to say id strive to be as good a man as he is portrayed to be, he fought for what he believed in, and everyone else should as well. Its been hard to see him fall in the eyes of his fans, while the bias against him was strong from the nintendo purists. But among the bad there will always be a ray of light, and over the course of his disconfirmation you can see those that did care for him and the loss of him come to the surface. As far as im concerned smash bros wiiu and any after will never have reached its full potential until snake has made a return. He represented so much more then just a third party, it was bridging the gaps between fandoms and joining us all as one with all the characters we know and love. And thats the most important thing a character can do, bring us togetherI could go on for days, but i feel as though everything that has and could be said is within the snake thread. As it has ended in the way we most feared, we still wont rest, if DLC is possible then we will pick up the mantle for snake once more. Till then
Life is a fragile thing, but we will always have the brawl to end them all...
So long old friend, you may be gone, but you live on in our hearts and in every MGS game hereafter.
"Find something to believe in, and find it for yourself. When you do, pass it on to the future." - Solid Snake
Original Character means nothing if he is going to be a clone of Marth. That's what the poster was trying to say, and people would complain that Sakurai wasted a slot on a yet another FE character only to end up becoming a clone.
R.I.P Mewtwo
