That moment when you realize...

[Kaishin]

exactly how much of a buff Fox's laser endlag being decreased is.

 

[Gidy]

we melee now.

rip lasers tho.

 

[SpottedCerberus]

How much safer are they? I figured 3 (?) frames wouldn't make all that significant a difference, considering how much endlag they seem to have.

 

[Kaishin]

That's 3 frames less the enemy has to punish it with a DA or grab. Obviously it's still no more useful against Falcon, but it allows us to camp out characters like Robin, Link, and Yoshi better than we already do (in Yoshi's case, we have more leeway to shield the egg toss).

Sonic is an MU that's heavily affected, since that's 3 more frames we have to shield his side b.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Oh laser buff was a confirmed change? Pretty big deal if so imo.

 

[Gidy]

Do lasers reset stale moves like they do in Melee?

 

[Logo12]

Yeah, it feels much safer using blaster now.

Also @^, I suppose.

 

[MetalMan]

What I have found useful about this buff:

doing a full hop and firing lasers up till the apex of the jump(I can sneak 2 in, have to test more) results in being able to land with no lag. As for now this is being able punish an opponent whos in the air from far away and immediately being able to approach after landing.

SH Triple Laser is not lagless but the reduced lag makes it a much safer pressure option. If your opponent is not sonic or falcon, go ahead and start the match with SHTL and you will more likely get free percentage.

Also, I cant remember but I believe short hop single laser is lagles and can be done continuosly, just a fun fact.

 

[tronfox64]

If you guys want safe lasers, you should check out this thread here: http://smashboards.com/threads/sheik-tech-c-bounce.409439/#post-19760600. It's all about how sheik can utilize this tech called C-bounce, but from my testing, it works great with fox as well (albeit no canceling).

Essentially this lets you shoot lasers while moving backwards, both in the air and grounded.

Ill try to upload some gifs shortly of fox using it.

Edit:

----------The Gifs-----------

(Grounded) C-Bounced Lasers
http://gfycat.com/FaroffSlowGalapagossealion

C-Bounced retreats (Different than B-Reverses as you don't slide back towards your opponent)
http://gfycat.com/ImperfectImpracticalElephantseal

C-Bounced approaches, Perfect Pivoted retreats.
http://gfycat.com/SickUltimateElephant

http://gfycat.com/NaivePointedAustraliankelpie

Comparison of Platform dropping lasers (normal) and C-Bounced platform dropping lasers.
http://gfycat.com/ColorlessPhysicalBorer


Edit2: Might make a standalone thread for those trying to learn it.