Team Specials

[Earthbenderjump5]

Okay I just thought this idea in my head while i was riding in my friends car that is staying the night today(hopefully nobody has thought of it yet :/).
Okay Lets Just Say Zelda, Link, And Gandorf all returned, they were all on teams and one of them got a special okay(which we already know link is back), one used it and they did a big team speical (which we allready know links) that made three tryforces instead of on in the back & front, it just covered the whole other character,(lets just say it was mario) they all used there speical and fired it in the whole of their own triforce, wich killed the other player, but the bad part is, a big thing that would only kill him once not much of a special if it didn't count 2 or 3 times eh?
So What Do Yall Think?

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I think : Don't play with items. Special attacks are stupid. (Im not talking about B moves, im talking about those ''super moves'' that you get with an item, and are about as ******** as a recovery heart and a hammer put together)

 

[drbatty]

To ignore super saiyan dylan ^ here I have a few comments...

Lets look at how specific the team Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf is. These specifics 3 characters bring about this special move that only they together can. Lets say in place of Ganondorf is Mario, now you have a different attack. If this attack is any weaker, any Link and Zelda team would pick Ganondorf as their third player, no matter what. This would force very specific teams on everyone. Now lets look at the benefits of such a special attack? If 3 or whatever of each team could produce this attack, wouldn't every other combonation of teamplayer's similar special have to have the same about of damage to be balanced? What would this solve?

Although this idea puts in place alot of different kinds of things they could do in reference to gameplay opportunities, realistically, I don't know if this specific situation could be implemented in the game. This might work if it was used as an item, or it took great skill to pull off (maybe a specific situation of the teamplayer's characters in distance and relativity of each other), but if it was an item, how could that be balanced for tournament play? Could be really fun, though, but not useable in a tournament.

 

[Tbacksha]

Excuse me Dylan_Tnga, if you don't play with items and won't play with specials then please don't comment on a thread about them, because you have no valuable input related to the subject and also have no effect on changes to brawl, besides that of little custom match changes, meaning you are complaining, this not being a board dedicated to complaining about whether it would be good to have specials/items or not, I recommend that you delete your post or edit it until relevant. Thank you for being nice.

On topic: I disagree with specials that would take out multiple stocks but this is still an interesting idea although slightly odd to implement. If you were to play with specials on this would be incentive to play with characters from related series for reasons other than there fighting compatibility, though I doubt this would be a problem for people who would play for fun, the probable majority of special users. As a harder to gain special, if two of the ‘Special Token’ items are needed to use a duo Special I would think it be unavoidable with more force almost guaranteeing –1 stock for all opposing characters. Still that would require all characters to have a partner or it would be kind of unbalanced.
As this won’t be implemented I will try to not discuss this further, please have a nice day.

 

[Mr.GAW]

lol tbacksha, its okay, TC asked what we thought, and he said he thought it was ********.
I don't think its a bad idea, if you play with items, that is.

I certainly hope supers are items and can therefor be turned off.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Excuse me Dylan_Tnga, if you don't play with items and won't play with specials then please don't comment on a thread about them, because you have no valuable input related to the subject and also have no effect on changes to brawl, besides that of little custom match changes, meaning you are complaining, this not being a board dedicated to complaining about whether it would be good to have specials/items or not, I recommend that you delete your post or edit it until relevant. Thank you for being nice.

My input is very valuable. Playing with items is useless since it makes the game too random. If the game is random, where does fair competition come into play if a bottom tier character like pichu can grab a hammer and just knock his enemy into the sky with his invincibility frames and suddenly giant disjointed hitbox? The answer is that it doesn't. Playing with items wont make you better at the game, and it makes the game imbalanced. Solution : Don't be a noob, don't play with items.

You can tell me to shut up all you want, but that won't change the fact that I make a good point.

And if you come back at me with some **** about playing with items for fun then I just won't comment since I don't consider that kind of attitude towards smashbrothers even worth my time thinking about.


Edit : hahahhaha super sayan Dylan. Yeah I chose Goku as my avatar since Im a huge DBZ fan.. im watching the Cell saga right now... me so nerdy.

 

[killbeast301]

My input is very valuable. Playing with items is useless since it makes the game too random. If the game is random, where does fair competition come into play if a bottom tier character like pichu can grab a hammer and just knock his enemy into the sky with his invincibility frames and suddenly giant disjointed hitbox? The answer is that it doesn't. Playing with items wont make you better at the game, and it makes the game imbalanced. Solution : Don't be a noob, don't play with items.

1) There's more to smash than tournies.

2) The game is unbalanced w/out items. It says so on pichu's trophy that he/she is better off running around for items. Many low tier characters are designed to work well with items, but when they're taken out for being "random", the tier list gets created. Yes, some items are cheap like the hammer and Heart container, but guess what? It actually takes skill to use items! When you understand how to use certain items properly, you actually get better! That's why you will get beaten by a "noob" w/items on, not the randomness.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Oh, man. Am I going to have fun with this.

There's more to smash than tournies.

No, there isn't.

The game is unbalanced w/out items.

No, it isn't. the tier list doesn't make the game imbalanced, please get smarter.

It says so on pichu's trophy that he/she is better off running around for items

Just... no comment. I don't even need to point out what anyone with half a brain is thinking about what you just said.

It actually takes skill to use items!

Oh wow. yup, throwing a pokeball and letting zapdos kill your opponent sure does require skill. Much more so than a shffled dair to waveshine to grab with fox.

When you understand how to use certain items properly, you actually get better

No, it won't make you better, because in actual smash matches, items are turned off

That's why you will get beaten by a "noob" w/items on, not the randomness.

No, I wouldn't get beaten by a noob even with items turned on, because the noob would not have time to grab items, inbetween me tech chasing him with downthrows, and punishing his non L canceled aerials and punishing his poor spacing and mindgames, sorry.

I hope this post doesn't get considered flaming or bashing, or of any personal offence to the quoted poster. I mean no personal attack on him, but I do believe my opinions to be quite valid, and if you have points to bring up to counter mine, by all means post them

 

[killbeast301]

You ignorant, arrogant, stuck up A$$ HOLE!!! You missed EVERY SINGLE ONE of my points
That's all I have to say at this point. Just leave.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

You ignorant, arrogant, stuck up A$$ HOLE!!! You missed EVERY SINGLE ONE of my points
That's all I have to say at this point. Just leave.

Well, it's nice to see you totally freak out Sign of a scrub.

 

[Wrath`]

Well, it's nice to see you totally freak out Sign of a scrub.

Do you have a problem with items?

And yes it does take skill to know how and when to use items,How sertiant battering ites affect your opponet when thrown etc.....

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Do you have a problem with items?

And yes it does take skill to know how and when to use items,How sertiant battering ites affect your opponet when thrown etc.....

Well, I don't even believe items exist since I haven't played with any for over 4 years, as in, actual competitive tournament rules.

This forum is insane, I cant take much more of this.

 

[Classic-Black]

Well, I don't even believe items exist since I haven't played with any for over 4 years, as in, actual competitive tournament rules.

This forum is insane, I cant take much more of this.

considering how much of an elitist you act like, that's not really a big loss.

To stay on topic, considering super moves already look like over kill, a Team version seems unreasonably cheap if they really are trying to balance the game out

 

[Wrath`]

Well, I don't even believe items exist since I haven't played with any for over 4 years, as in, actual competitive tournament rules.

This forum is insane, I cant take much more of this.

Can't take the heat?Then get out of the kitchen!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

I think it's a neat idea but...

2 or 3 times eh?

WHAT? I thought ONE instant kill was over the top!

And Dylan, stop being an arse, and everyone else,
playing with items DOES NOT make you get beaten by noobs.
All you have to do is grab them before they do
some noobs suck at picking stuff up, and most noobs
don't know that you can pick up items while in the air with Z.
Using that technique, you can get to items before them.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Can't take the heat?Then get out of the kitchen!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't describe pages and pages upon threads and threads and even more threads of people who have no idea what this game is about or how it works ''heat''

That kind of implies that these opinions have some sort of impact, or power. Which they don't there's no power in a nubs opinion. Trust me it's the noobs that are driving me away, its the feelings of dissapointment/boredom that this community isn't composed mostly of good players. Don't get me wrong I highly respect many people here but this forum in general is full of the noobiest smash ideas I've ever seen.

Hey, maybe in brawl, there should just be an item that you grab, and your opponent dies. And it should be in tournaments, SAME thing most of the existing items do anyway, so why not just jump to the chase?

 

[Stryks]

The way I see it, they should implement an option to allow that either 1 smash emblem = 1 super for the guy that grabbed it, or 1 smash emblem = 1 super for all the team...

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

The way I see it, they should implement an option to allow that either 1 smash emblem = 1 super for the guy that grabbed it, or 1 smash emblem = 1 super for all the team...

ya I wonder how super attacks will work. Like when you grab an emblem, do you do the attack immediatly? Or do you have to press a certain button or combination of buttons for it to work, and if you grab 2 emblems, do you get 2 attacks in stock?

 

[LinkGadra]

I don't believe team special would work too well. Even the opening example uses a three character team, which usually doesn't happen with the current format of four players per system.

Off-topic, I know, but I need to say this. I've seen a lot of the Pro vs. Casual argument in my short time here, and I may have found a (somewhat flawed) solution. Simply put, neither side has to acknowledge the other, and everyone can play Smash however they want. It's a game people, let's all enjoy it in our own ways.

 

[pirkid]

Get back to topic.
Not 3-person teams, but team specials sound interesting. But with the mass amount of players being added, and the fact that not much people will play with items (especially that one), the time it would take making up those specials and out of question.

 

[drbatty]

I have to say, most people here probably think that items don't belong in competitive play. But that doesn't mean items are a bad thing outside of competitive play, unless you don't go outside of competitive play at all, which is no problem with me. But quit acting so bigoted.
I don't agree with the person trying to defend items as they take skill to use them, but items can be very fun!

 

[notftomearth7]

Well, I don't even believe items exist since I haven't played with any for over 4 years, as in, actual competitive tournament rules.

This forum is insane, I cant take much more of this.

Well your going to love this...
ANY NOOB COULD KICK YOUR BEHIND IN BRAWL SIMPLY BECAUSE HE's SMART ENOUGH TO USE ITEMMMMS! AND DBZ SUCKS!

What was this post about again? Oh yeah, I say why the heck not? I mean, they're gonna have more than one character from each franchise so why not?

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Well your going to love this...
ANY NOOB COULD KICK YOUR BEHIND IN BRAWL SIMPLY BECAUSE HE's SMART ENOUGH TO USE ITEMMMMS! AND DBZ SUCKS!

Your opinion shares a lot of simliarities with Falco's recovery.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

Eh, this is a discussion about a team being able to combine together to make something cooler and maybe more effective, not about hating items or not...

For the topic about combination super special attacks:
I think it could be possible... Then again, who would Snake, Pit, and Wario pair up with??? If Raiden, whatever friend character Pit has, and one person of the WarioWare company were to come, then it could be possible...

For the topic about items being hated
Remember, Super Smash Bros. is made for as a "party game"... If you don't like it, just shut it off and that's it... Also, items does have it's sense of skills to it... Tossing and CATCHING is always fun... So its a bit of training against bomb throwing Links and turnip tossing Peach in tournament play...

 

[thatsmybutta]

specials arent gona matter in brawl

 

[Ikural]

1. items suck.
Why?
You combo the **** out of an item lover and then taunt.
Opponent spawns over box containing hammer, Pokeball, and starman.
Wow, real fair.
Expecially if the person gets zapdos giving you free hammer shots.
I agree "catching" items does take a little skill.
Try catching hordes of superscope bullets while off the edge.
Or... you throw a capsule at them, they get hit and tech in hyrule temple(Horrible stage used only by item lovers), and out pops a special. Have fun dying due to utter skill of 1 tech(Probobly accidental).
2. I have no 2, but numbers are sophisticated.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

For the topic about items being hated
Remember, Super Smash Bros. is made for as a "party game"... If you don't like it, just shut it off and that's it... Also, items does have it's sense of skills to it... Tossing and CATCHING is always fun... So its a bit of training against bomb throwing Links and turnip tossing Peach in tournament play...

No. It's not a party game. Its a serious competitive 1vs1 and 2vs2 and crew battle game, in which THOUSANDS of dollars are given away as prize money every year. Formalist artists in the 20th century wisely sought to teach their pupils the the intention of the artist doesnt matter, because as soon as something is created it becomes an entity of its own, and thus it lives sepperatly from the world it exists in.

The artists behind the formalist movement were smarter than you, and they're righter than you. Smash was created as a party game, but it has become something else. Deal with it.

 

[Ikural]

its true... its gone from party, to serious 1v1 battles

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

its true... its gone from party, to serious 1v1 battles

I can't believe I just used post modern art history to subtly flame someone. Im getting creative here

I wonder if its a banable offence to compare an art movement to smash brothers.. it probably is.

 

[Wrath`]

I can see why you think items are unfair.Normaly my freind would beat with fox when i'm falco,but i kill him when we put items on.Anyway team attacks would be too hard and time consuming to do.

 

[Master Peach]

Dylan_Tnga you really need to shut up. Sure smash has become a serious 1vs1 game, but you can't keep putting down people just because to want the game to be fun.

I don't know if some where along the line you snap from playing too much smash bros but stop taking out all your anger on people who are trying to have a little fun with playing smash.

And another thing there is more to Smash than just Tournaments. Deal with it!!

Let the flame war begin...

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Dylan_Tnga you really need to shut up. Sure smash has become a serious 1vs1 game, but you can't keep putting down people just because to want the game to be fun.

LOL. I can't believe you took my post modern art formalist painter movement comment seriously.

Let the flame war begin...

Please, refrain from making posts like this. They're against the rules afterall. Flamebaiting is a no no and I personally refuse to fall into such a childish trap.

As for the topic at hand : This thread = kind of lame. I highly doubt team specials are going to exist, so why are we discussing them? Theorycrafting is lame... Im done with this thread.

 

[Kokichi]

Eh, this is a discussion about a team being able to combine together to make something cooler and maybe more effective, not about hating items or not...

For the topic about combination super special attacks:
I think it could be possible... Then again, who would Snake, Pit, and Wario pair up with??? If Raiden, whatever friend character Pit has, and one person of the WarioWare company were to come, then it could be possible...

For the topic about items being hated
Remember, Super Smash Bros. is made for as a "party game"... If you don't like it, just shut it off and that's it... Also, items does have it's sense of skills to it... Tossing and CATCHING is always fun... So its a bit of training against bomb throwing Links and turnip tossing Peach in tournament play...

A) Snake could team up with another cool, silent character, like CF. In Jump Super Stars, characters are paired up with other people that relate to them, not necessarily in their own anime / manga.

B) I don't really see why Smash can't be both a party game and a tournament game. It seems to credit Smash more by being both. If you're on these forums, you're probably somewhat into the tournament scene. However, being at UCLA and playing with a lot of other people, most random players I've met have never even realized that Smash can be a tournament game, and even though I've told them about the tourney scene and how fun it is, they're not really interested - they'd rather just keep it between friends and have it be a party game.

So the answer to whether or not Smash is a party game or a tournament game is - yes. It's both, depending on who you ask. There is no right or wrong answer. It's become a tournament game to those that want it to be, and it's stayed a party game for those that want it to be. It's both a particle and a wave...er, wait, wrong discussion, chi

Now, that'll be that to any debate about the game being for fun or for tourney. All future posts should pertain to the original meaning of the thread. Any posts that don't will get warned and I'll close the thread.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

It's both a particle and a wave...er, wait, wrong discussion, chi

''What the **** do we know?'' quote! You rock, chi.

 

[Master Peach]

You do realize I was being sarcastic about that flame war thing. I just knew you would be on my case.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

No. It's not a party game. Its a serious competitive 1vs1 and 2vs2 and crew battle game, in which THOUSANDS of dollars are given away as prize money every year. Formalist artists in the 20th century wisely sought to teach their pupils the the intention of the artist doesnt matter, because as soon as something is created it becomes an entity of its own, and thus it lives sepperatly from the world it exists in.

The artists behind the formalist movement were smarter than you, and they're righter than you. Smash was created as a party game, but it has become something else. Deal with it.

Its a "party game" through the minds of millions... Its a "game of competition" through the minds of experts... Though, you have your opinion and I have mine, so I will not argue/flame about it... I think you should do the same by actually answering to the thread's topic, not your idealistic views of other items...

And since I'm kinda spamming on the topic myself, I'll just repeat myself:

Can't really do much team super special if a character like Snake and Pit is by themselves with no real friends...

*edit*
Blah, didn't see page 3...

 

[Wrath`]

Since whaen did flaming become ileagle dlyan?I've donr it mad times before.

 

[punisher47]

it would be cool but dont think it would work that well they should just stick with the single specials.

 

[Earthbenderjump5]

wow look what happend to my thread, yeah, i do agree that what i said was kind of point less but looking at what some people have said, i know what i else i needed to imporve of what i said but i'd just reather nto

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm sorry but that's overpowered, that would have to be about as rare to get a Celebi [sp?] from a pokeball. All of these super smashes sound so unfair and overpowered it's not funny. I hope they were just put in the first trailer for show.