Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Burruni]

I'm conflicted. Part of me wants Weeb Emburemu because it's still FE, the other part is ashamed of that weeby popsinging ****.
The gameplay is apparently superhard, so that's welcome I guess.

Almost like.
It's a Shin Megami Tensei game or something.
The series that made THIS the thing of nightmares.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And then they're gone again.

It was good while it lasted. May we see you again, Multiple playable characters in Sonic Q.Q7

 

[Shroob]

Almost like.
It's a Shin Megami Tensei game or something.
The series that made THIS the thing of nightmares.

PShaw. People way overhype Matador.

Fog Breath and GG.

 

[Burruni]

PShaw. People way overhype Matador.

Fog Breath and GG.

It's still a difficulty spike.
Carry Armor is a fairly easy boss in FF7 if you use Magic Hammer to drain it of SP but getting two characters taken and then double Lapis Laser is still a scarring experience for the uninformed.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Almost like.
It's a Shin Megami Tensei game or something.
The series that made THIS the thing of nightmares.

I'm a scrub who's yet to play an Atlus game though
Honestly, Weeb Emburemu had SO much potential...And it has worse initial sales than Radiant Dawn... I want them to make another game, only remove the weeby Jpop ****, and add in the weeby **** FE and SMT fans love. I can guarantee it would sell like hotcakes in comparison

 

[Chrono.]

Almost like.
It's a Shin Megami Tensei game or something.
The series that made THIS the thing of nightmares.

Matador wasn't that bad.

Just a case of "git gud"

 

[Shroob]

It's still a difficulty spike.
Carry Armor is a fairly easy boss in FF7 if you use Magic Hammer to drain it of SP but getting two characters taken and then double Lapis Laser is still a scarring experience for the uninformed.

T'was a difficulty spike, yes, but if you want a REAL challenging Atlus boss, Hitoshura in any game he's not a MC.

 

[Burruni]

I'm a scrub who's yet to play an Atlus game though
Honestly, Weeb Emburemu had SO much potential...And it has worse initial sales than Radiant Dawn... I want them to make another game, only remove the weeby Jpop ****, and add in the weeby **** FE and SMT fans love. I can guarantee it would sell like hotcakes in comparison

Persona 4: Dancing All Night sold 94,036 PHYSICAL COPIES in its opening week in Japan.

Let that sink in.

Edit:

T'was a difficulty spike, yes, but if you want a REAL challenging Atlus boss, Hitoshura in any game he's not a MC.

Agreed, but Matador also is incredibly silly looking compared to how hard he is. That are moreso the original point.

 

[A Distant Demon]

It's still a difficulty spike.
Carry Armor is a fairly easy boss in FF7 if you use Magic Hammer to drain it of SP but getting two characters taken and then double Lapis Laser is still a scarring experience for the uninformed.

>Grabs both of my DPS before I can act once
>1 shots Vincent

My first carry armor experience

Having 2 limit breaks ready next time was a fun experience beating the **** out of it.

 

[Shroob]

Persona 4: Dancing All Night sold 94,036 PHYSICAL COPIES in its opening week in Japan.

Let that sink in.

Edit:

Agreed, but Matador also is incredibly silly looking compared to how hard he is. That are moreso the original point.

I almost feel like Persona 5 is going to bomb simply because 'it's not Persona 4'

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Persona 4: Dancing All Night sold 94,036 PHYSICAL COPIES in its opening week in Japan.

Let that sink in.

Edit:

Agreed, but Matador also is incredibly silly looking compared to how hard he is. That are moreso the original point.

That's almost good, iirc. Weeb Emburemu honestly wouldn't be so negatively received had we not been shown what could have been. What doesn't help is how there's apparently NO LYNDIS HECTOR OR IKE DESPITE HOW THEY WERE SHOWN WHEN THE ANNOUNCED THE PROJECT!

 

[Shroob]

That's almost good, iirc. Weeb Emburemu honestly wouldn't be so negatively received had we not been shown what could have been. What doesn't help is how there's apparently NO LYNDIS HECTOR OR IKE DESPITE HOW THEY WERE SHOWN WHEN THE ANNOUNCED THE PROJECT!

To be fair, afaik, none of the SMT characters they showed off were even in the game.

Hell, do the Jack Bros. even cameo?

 

[Burruni]

That's almost good, iirc. Weeb Emburemu honestly wouldn't be so negatively received had we not been shown what could have been. What doesn't help is how there's apparently NO LYNDIS HECTOR OR IKE DESPITE HOW THEY WERE SHOWN WHEN THE ANNOUNCED THE PROJECT!

I know that it's almost good. Considering that it's a VITA game that caught so much ire of the fanbase since inception.

I still FAR prefer what we got, being an actual fusion of concepts instead of just slapping characters together. But that announcement trailer gave people the direct oppposite idea and frankly shouldn't have happened since it was... I think in 2012 and it wasn't until 2014 or 15 when we saw anything.

Edit:

To be fair, afaik, none of the SMT characters they showed off were even in the game.

Hell, do the Jack Bros. even cameo?

Hee Ho Mart is all we know.

 

[Chrono.]

#FE was never meant to be a crossover.

Just an FE spinoff with /little/ SMT elements.

 

[Shroob]

#FE was never meant to be a crossover.

Just an FE spinoff with /little/ SMT elements.

Then they should have never dropped the og trailer and called it SMTxFE for soo long, tbh. It's their own fault.

 

[Burruni]

#FE was never meant to be a crossover.

Just an FE spinoff with /little/ SMT elements.

More like an SMT/Persona game with FE as the mythos.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To be fair, afaik, none of the SMT characters they showed off were even in the game.

Hell, do the Jack Bros. even cameo?

Jack Frost appears in a shop as a mascot, with an Anna EXPY grumble grumble
For the FE side, it's worse because Lyn Hector and Ike are in the top 10 most popular characters, with them being 5th, 8th(?) and 1st place. Then we get nothing but Awakening and Marth's wife jkc. Don't know how to feel about the SMT side as I'm not a fan

 

[Chrono.]

Then they should have never dropped the og trailer and called it SMTxFE for soo long, tbh. It's their own fault.

Yeah, or at least tell us way before that the crossover aspect was dropped instead of just a random trailer.

More like an SMT/Persona game with FE as the mythos.

Which is why I said spin off.

 

[Shroob]

Jack Frost appears in a shop as a mascot, with an Anna EXPY grumble grumble
For the FE side, it's worse because Lyn Hector and Ike are in the top 10 most popular characters, with them being 5th, 8th(?) and 1st place. Then we get nothing but Awakening and Marth's wife jkc. Don't know how to feel about the SMT side as I'm not a fan

Wait...

Marth doesn't appear AT ALL?

 

[Icedragonadam]

It's been some time since I've been here. Been mainly playing FFX/X2 remastered. I'm already at the Zanarkand Ruins and I've been steamrolling everything including Seymour Flux granted I grinded back then to take on the Chocobo Eater and Mi'hen for Lulu's Ra spells for Gui.

Now I have doublecast for Lulu and she almost has Flare. Auron is just awesome. Even before he completes his path his attack power is just insane.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait...

Marth doesn't appear AT ALL?

From what I've heard, not as a Mirage

 

[Burruni]

Wait...

Marth doesn't appear AT ALL?

No.
At least.
We haven't seen him, yet.
I am personally banking on the classic Atlus superboss
Where it's a renowned Idol with Marth as his Performa.

...Bonus Points if they actually make it Yu in his Dancing All Night attire.

 

[Chrono.]

Weird that Marth isn't in considering

Spoiler: #FE spoilers but who cares tbh

The final boss is Medeus

 

[Deleted member]

I realpy hope #FE is hard as they say because I think I might be a masochist

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Weird that Marth isn't in considering

Spoiler: #FE spoilers but who cares tbh

The final boss is Medeus

Did they remix his theme?! I will ****ing RIOT if they didn't

No.
At least.
We haven't seen him, yet.
I am personally banking on the classic Atlus superboss
Where it's a renowned Idol with Marth as his Performa.

...Bonus Points if they actually make it Yu in his Dancing All Night attire.

Spoiler

A ****ING COSTUME

 

[Chrono.]

Oh LOL

Spoiler: Concerning Marth in #FE

The ****ing protag was Marth all along

 

[Frostwraith]

The SMTxFE teaser shouldn't have been shown in the first place due to its vagueness and how misleading it ended up being.

Truly a shame, as I was quite interested in the game. Even the first trailer, though unexpected, had me giving the game the benefit of doubt.

Then, the remaining news came and my hype died down completely. The game still has some interesting ideas, though, such as exploring two different worlds, one being modern Japan (SMT) and a fantasy world (FE). However, the main premise in regards to themes is so far off from both SMT and FE that it became something completely different and alienated both fanbases.

In its final state, it's just an RPG about Japanese entertainment industry with some Atlus RPG and Fire Emblem elements tacked in for no reason besides being tacked in because they had promised to make a SMT and FE crossover.

J-pop and such aren't bad themes by themselves, but it's not something that has any relation to SMT or FE. SMT is about law and chaos, fighting demons and divine entities. FE is about fantasy worlds with dragons and also has divine entities.

The fantasy and supernatural themes would have made a better core theme for the game than J-pop of all things. Again, it's not that J-pop isn't bad by itself, but it's out of place in a game meant to crossover two series that have a main premise of fantasy and supernatural.

 

[aldelaro5]

@PushDustIn is there a way for you to get the full interview?

http://nintendoeverything.com/mario...n-bringing-in-paper-mario-dash-mechanic-more/

Because......well they say it;s excerpts and i feel the full one has some interesting stuff

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You guys?

I just had a super case of the amused chuckles.

Remember how PS and XBOX users complained about Bayo 2 being Wii U Exclusive?

Welp, it's strongly likely that the franchise in general will remain at Nintendo now.

Guess Nintendo's investment in Bayo 2 will finally pay off.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh LOL

Spoiler: Concerning Marth in #FE

The ****ing protag was Marth all along

Spoiler

What a cop out lol.

 

[Burruni]

Man...

They did the musical legends for Rayman Legends but didn't switch to a save for the remix of Grannies World Tour.

 

[Solfiner]

The SMTxFE teaser shouldn't have been shown in the first place due to its vagueness and how misleading it ended up being.

Truly a shame, as I was quite interested in the game. Even the first trailer, though unexpected, had me giving the game the benefit of doubt.

Then, the remaining news came and my hype died down completely. The game still has some interesting ideas, though, such as exploring two different worlds, one being modern Japan (SMT) and a fantasy world (FE). However, the main premise in regards to themes is so far off from both SMT and FE that it became something completely different and alienated both fanbases.

In its final state, it's just an RPG about Japanese entertainment industry with some Atlus RPG and Fire Emblem elements tacked in for no reason besides being tacked in because they had promised to make a SMT and FE crossover.

J-pop and such aren't bad themes by themselves, but it's not something that has any relation to SMT or FE. SMT is about law and chaos, fighting demons and divine entities. FE is about fantasy worlds with dragons and also has divine entities.

The fantasy and supernatural themes would have made a better core theme for the game than J-pop of all things. Again, it's not that J-pop isn't bad by itself, but it's out of place in a game meant to crossover two series that have a main premise of fantasy and supernatural.

The first trailer was only a development in progress trailer, so they probably meant for it to be a lot different back then. Misleading in hindsight but ah well, impossible to change at this point.

 

[Champ Gold]

So I'm happy as a sports fan.


So what I missed?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

When do you suppose we'll get the next general Nintendo Direct?

 

[Burruni]

Well.
Onto other things.

Day 3 of Smash 5 stuff
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Spoiler

The Legend of Zelda stays as one of Nintendo's "elite 4" of franchises since the NES era and is Miyamoto's other major baby. For such a massive series... the fact that the last "true" newcomer was in Melee comes as a bit of a shock to some. Part of the issue, of course, being that the series has few reocurring characters, fewer that make enough of an impact while toting moveset potential, and even fewer that look remotely similar to their varying incarnations. That said... we look at a handful of characters.

Ganon: Arguably the only character with enough prestige to them to be a big choice and the second of the big three lacking villains. Unlike the other two in the category, Ganon doesn't have the same feverish support in the community. However, with the WizPig on a bit of an upswing of Nintendo using the King of Porkness with Nintendoland and Link Between Worlds, it is certainly not an option that should be overlooked. IF we see him return as the final boss for Zelda U, Zelda NX, or a major handheld title in the next ~5 years, I'd expect him on some prediction rosters.

Impa: A bit of a fan favorite... with actually a very western-rooted fanbase. This is something that is really a matter of the next couple years. After Ocarina of Time, Hyrule Warriors + Skyward Sword is the only time we've seen the name Impa used for a combattive person instead of an either bulbous or elderly caretaker of Princess Zelda. This may very well have been her peak and what the name "Impa" belongs to with the next couples titles will make or break any viability.

Tingle: Curveball choice prime. The only reason I even list him is because he's become an (in)famous icon of the series and got three spin-off games with him as the protagonist. Something very significant considering that, outside of Warriors, the only character to be a protagonist of a Zeldaverse title other than Link is Zelda in two of the CDi games. Unlikely, but I can't say I can fully rule him out.

Vaati: The only non-Ganon(dorf) reocurring villain in the series. If we see the wind sage being brought up once or twice as a major antagonist with upcoming Zelda titles, I'd moreso predict an assist trophy than a full character BUT we will have to see.

Ghirahim/Midna/Skull Kid: An acknowledgement. These three basically share the same condition. Fan favorites who exist and have big impact in one game and only one game. Thus, we have them as assist trophies in this game and very unlikely to make the jump. Midna's position MAY change depending on what her Amiibo with Wolf Link does in Zelda U; but for all we know it reskins a pet dog Link gets in the game to look like the Wolf Link or gives a Midna Plushie for Link to decorate his base of operations with.

Quite frankly, I am a bit shocked we didn't get a Zelda newcomer in Smash 4. And I wholeheartedly expect one for Smash 5.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Well.
Onto other things.

Day 3 of Smash 5 stuff
` ''

Spoiler

The Legend of Zelda stays as one of Nintendo's "elite 4" of franchises since the NES era and is Miyamoto's other major baby. For such a massive series... the fact that the last "true" newcomer was in Melee comes as a bit of a shock to some. Part of the issue, of course, being that the series has few reocurring characters, fewer that make enough of an impact while toting moveset potential, and even fewer that look remotely similar to their varying incarnations. That said... we look at a handful of characters.

Ganon: Arguably the only character with enough prestige to them to be a big choice and the second of the big three lacking villains. Unlike the other two in the category, Ganon doesn't have the same feverish support in the community. However, with the WizPig on a bit of an upswing of Nintendo using the King of Porkness with Nintendoland and Link Between Worlds, it is certainly not an option that should be overlooked. IF we see him return as the final boss for Zelda U, Zelda NX, or a major handheld title in the next ~5 years, I'd expect him on some prediction rosters.

Impa: A bit of a fan favorite... with actually a very western-rooted fanbase. This is something that is really a matter of the next couple years. After Ocarina of Time, Hyrule Warriors + Skyward Sword is the only time we've seen the name Impa used for a combattive person instead of an either bulbous or elderly caretaker of Princess Zelda. This may very well have been her peak and what the name "Impa" belongs to with the next couples titles will make or break any viability.

Tingle: Curveball choice prime. The only reason I even list him is because he's become an (in)famous icon of the series and got three spin-off games with him as the protagonist. Something very significant considering that, outside of Warriors, the only character to be a protagonist of a Zeldaverse title other than Link is Zelda in two of the CDi games. Unlikely, but I can't say I can fully rule him out.

Vaati: The only non-Ganon(dorf) reocurring villain in the series. If we see the wind sage being brought up once or twice as a major antagonist with upcoming Zelda titles, I'd moreso predict an assist trophy than a full character BUT we will have to see.

Ghirahim/Midna/Skull Kid: An acknowledgement. These three basically share the same condition. Fan favorites who exist and have big impact in one game and only one game. Thus, we have them as assist trophies in this game and very unlikely to make the jump. Midna's position MAY change depending on what her Amiibo with Wolf Link does in Zelda U; but for all we know it reskins a pet dog Link gets in the game to look like the Wolf Link or gives a Midna Plushie for Link to decorate his base of operations with.

Quite frankly, I am a bit shocked we didn't get a Zelda newcomer in Smash 4. And I wholeheartedly expect one for Smash 5.

Personally speaking still betting on linkle or Tingle for smash 5.Kinda find impa and pig ganon boring choices(especially seeing as oen is a final smash.My bias wants vaati.The others are their with skull kid probably being more liekly due to fan demand.Hoenst;y i dont think we need another zelda characteras their fine as is.But i'm rambling now.I enjoy reading these

 

[Cutie Gwen]

When do you suppose we'll get the next general Nintendo Direct?

Early February at the latest, a week of 2 otherwise. Why? There's usually a 2 month gap and Bill Trinen said Corrin was added so players could learn about him before Fates releases, February 19th in the US

 

[epicmartin7]

Damn pirates.

Spoiler

At least custom music for Smash Wii U will be possible on higher firmware's I guess.

This apparently releases in February.

 

[Wario Bros.]

So I looked at the DLC page of Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends on the Wii U eShop. I see that there are 4 characters (two of which are free, interestingly), 2 stages, & 1 skin, all of which costing $15.95 total. It doesn't look like the 3DS version has any DLC though.

I have said I plan to get this game as I'm a sucker for game knock-offs but I'm still not sure if my plan of waiting until it gets a price drop on the eShop will happen since I'm not sure how long a price cut will take for a game currently a month old. I'm not sure I want to pay $55.94 for the game + DLC though.

I still can't believe a licensed game actually got both DLC & online support.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, we doing Smash 5 predictions/evaluations for veteran series?

I'll just post what I've told Swamp in a PM about who the most likely newcomer options for each series here.

Spoiler

Super Mario Bros.: There's so many options, but Mario may simply not get a newcomer like in Brawl. Or it may get a late semi-clone in Dry Bowser, who has been making surprising numerous appearances as of late.
Donkey Kong: Cranky Kong, unless K. Rool shows up in the series. And even then, Cranky Kong isn't super likely. It may just be DK and Diddy again. And Dixie if late semi-clones like Brawl are a thing.
Legend of Zelda: With the recent news that Linkle will be "kept in mind" for future Zelda titles, we may have another major recurring character on our hands. One that may actually be a secondary playable option for the series.
Metroid: Given that Sylux is implied to be returning as a major character in the future, I'd have to say him. Unless Sakurai (or whoever is directing) can find a way to work in Ridley without compromising him too much in his (their) eyes.
Yoshi's Island: None. Yoshi's Island is too intertwined with the Super Mario Bros. series to warrant anyone other than Yoshi, who is pretty much a non-Mario character in icon only.
Kirby: Bandana Waddle Dee continues to be the most likely option for Kirby. Whether Kirby would even get a 4th character is debatable, though. But it can't be denied that Bandana Waddle Dee has worked his way into "major recurring character" status. Moreso than back when Smash Wii U/3DS's roster was being decided.
Star Fox: Wolf is the most likely candidate for Star Fox due to being a veteran. That being said, seeing as he wasn't much of a priority to include in Wii U/3DS (not even as DLC), Star Fox may simply stick with Fox and Falco again. The closest newcomer candidate would be Slippy, but even then he's quite the longshot.
Pokémon: Whichever Pokémon from the latest Generation is considered the best choice like Lucario and Greninja were. *shrugs*
F-Zero: None, sadly. Unless F-Zero gets another game, the odds of a new character are practically non-existent. And even then, a new game isn't a guarantee for a character, considering characters were decided for Brawl before F-Zero was completely dormant, and Samurai Goroh only got Assist status.
Earthbound: None. Series is over.
Ice Climber: The Ice Climbers' return, of course! Although it depends on if the new Smash would be on a system that can handle them or not...
Fire Emblem: The hero from the most recent title when Smash starts development so long as they are more than just a regular swordsman.
Kid Icarus: None, unless the series gets another game in the future. In which case Viridi may be the most likely depending on what the game is about.
WarioWare: Debatably none. I say debatably because Ashley has taken more of a public acknowledgment of her popularity recently (being in Super Mario Maker as a costume and Badge Arcade giving her much focus for the Halloween theme). That being said, Ashley has been very popular for years. All it got her (so far) was an Assist role.
Pikmin: None. Unless it's seen as necessary to make Alph a semi-clone in the future instead of a costume. We'll have to see what Pikmin 4 is about.
Animal Crossing: If things keep going the way they are, Isabelle may just be the top candidate for a secondary Animal Crossing character. Yes, she's an Assist, but she wasn't nearly as popular as she is becoming back when Wii U/3DS' roster was being decided. New Leaf wasn't even out.
Wii Fit: None. There is really no other possible character at this point. Wii Fit Trainer represents the series perfectly on her (and her male counterpart's) own.
Punch-Out: None. It's really hard to see anyone other than Little Mac being playable.
Xenoblade: If X is the latest game before a new Smash starts development, then Elma may be a reasonably likely candidate. If there's a new Xenoblade in the future, then the same logic with Pokémon and Fire Emblem applies.
"Token Surprise Character": Rather than have Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., and Duck Hunt reflect their own series which will obviously not get secondary characters, I have combined them into their own category to speculate on who will be the "next" of them. In itself, speculating that is rather pointless since if you can guess the surprise, it's not really a "surprise". That being said, one of the only options in my mind for this is someone like Star Man from Pro Wrestling.