Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Burruni]

Well, were you upset that Olimar wasn't in Melee? Because I think it's about the same case as that. The Inklings just weren't from a tested series until pretty much everything except the Ballot choices was already being worked on. And yes, I know that doesn't explain how Corrin got in "over" them as an equally blatant marketing tool as they would have been, but judging by Sakurai's reaction I think the logic was less "let's tick off the fanbase!" and more "I know we're pushing it with this, but it's a BAREFOOT CHAINSAW-SWORD TOTING DRACOMORPH, GUYS!"

There is a difference.
A) Pikmin came out only about a month or two before Melee got finished and it was on a horribly crunched timeframe as is. With the DLC, Splatoon came out about 4-5 months before the ballot closed and work "should've" began on the character.
B) The world at large knew VERY little about Pikmin and Splatoon was something that people spread out the information of the minute it was said. A benefit of the technological age.
C) Pikmin, of my knowledge, has always been a somewhat niche and "underdog" of a series. Splatoon is a blockbuster of a title for the system.
I was arguing them just on the grounds OF ballot choices. They didn't happen and who we got are certainly fine.

Edit: and "Barefoot chainsaw-sword toting dracomorph" screams about as much uniqueness as "shapeshifting squid people with an arsenal of weapons."

Double Edit: Not to mention that Melee was at a time when most desired choices weren't ON the roster yet.

 

[ChikoLad]

Can we all take the time to remember when we stayed up waiting for PotD? Those were some great, hilarious, and also bad times. I think that's the one thing I'll never forget about Smash 4 speculation. Or you were the guy who just went to bed and saw it in the monring. That's what I did for weekdays. Then summer bresk happned and the wait was terrible lol.



I dont know why, but when I see this, I feel like Rosalina is just uninterested. She looks like she doesn't want be there. That's what I see anyway,

She's got that little soft, content smile she does, it's just hard to see because of how that picture is so blurred.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Like I said.

She dated Luigi.

Aww...daddy daughter bonding time

If standing next to someone in a picture constitutes dating them nowadays I've been in a lot more relationships than I previously thought.

Yeah, and I've been in...

Oh, no...just as many as u thought

 

[ChikoLad]

Aww...daddy daughter bonding time


Yeah, and I've been in...

Oh, no...just as many as u thought

I already told you to get out and stop advertising two or three weeks ago, MatPat. :V

 

[Fenriraga]

I'd pair up Rosalina and Luigi.

If only because deserves better than some high pitched obnoxious squeeling Princess-in-name-only that people ship only because Peach is already taken. Luigi deserves a GOD.

Plus I actually think they're both genuinely cute and have elements of chemistry. In their own ways.

 

[Coricus]

There is a difference.
A) Pikmin came out only about a month or two before Melee got finished and it was on a horribly crunched timeframe as is. With the DLC, Splatoon came out about 4-5 months before the ballot closed and work "should've" began on the character.
B) The world at large knew VERY little about Pikmin and Splatoon was something that people spread out the information of the minute it was said. A benefit of the technological age.
C) Pikmin, of my knowledge, has always been a somewhat niche and "underdog" of a series. Splatoon is a blockbuster of a title for the system.
I was arguing them just on the grounds OF ballot choices. They didn't happen and who we got are certainly fine.

Edit: and "Barefoot chainsaw-sword toting dracomorph" screams about as much uniqueness as "shapeshifting squid people with an arsenal of weapons."

. . .Eh, I still feel like there's a parallel there somewhere. At any rate, the Inklings may be better serviced by waiting until Smash 5 anyway. They may be able to do more with their moveset with a more powerful system depending on what they have in mind, and at the very least they will probably get better trailers and more marketing off of it.

Plus they could tie in their being in the next Smash with a Splatoon sequel.

It's all hypothetical, of course, but I almost get the feeling like Nintendo is saving their ace for when it'll actually do them more good and make more of an impact.

 

[Substitution]

So while we're waiting for Corrin and Bayonetta to set Smashboards ablaze, I found a game on Steam that looked kinda interesting.

It looks like Smash Bros but with hooks.

 

[NintenZ]

Here are some other match-ups to try in the meantime while waiting,

vs,
vs.
vs.vs.vs.
vs.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Speaking of Steam Smash-like games, I should probably go back to playing Rivals of Aether again eventually.

 

[Fenriraga]

So while we're waiting for Corrin and Bayonetta to set Smashboards ablaze, I found a game on Steam that looked kinda interesting.

It looks like Smash Bros but with hooks.

I dunno, the trailer didn't really hook me in.

I'll see myself out.

 

[N3ON]

It's not just the picture.

Luigi is built up as having a crush on Rosalina throughout Galaxy, even straight up saying she looks cute. It's brought up at various points.

That's why the 100% reward for the Luigi playthrough depicts that picture of them being on a little date to the Mushroom Kingdom with a bunch of Toads (the Toad Brigade) greeting them. In contrast to the Mario playthrough, which has him on a date with Peach in space with a bunch of Lumas greeting them (someone had to take the pictures after all).

The themeing is pretty blatantly obvious here.

Ah yes, whether it be Luigi's body language of facing away from Rosalina, or the look of true ambivalence on her face, or the five squawking idiots also present, you can tell it's a truly magical, and by no means conjectural, date.

You've convinced me. If you don't count Marth, Robin, Zelda, Bowser, Fox, DK, Diddy, Sonic, Shulk, Corrin, Olimar, Pac-Man, Samus and Cloud, Rosalina does make the most sense to be in a relationship. I'm sure you'll be very happy to hear it~

 

[Wolfie557]

I just realized that a lot of the people mad about representation probably grew up with a Super Nintendo. That console was pretty much the peak/starting point for the series/subseries that the community is hung up about, and most of the particularly upset people are in their mid-to-late twenties. . .

Not that a little more fairness in how the franchises are balanced wouldn't be a good idea, but most of the people who AREN'T upset seem to have grown up with later systems.

I dunno, I just found it interesting to note.

I'm 16 & I ain't upset. I had a Wii & DS before but my main consoles are U & 3DS even tho I grew up with PC and thinking Pokemon was only a really fun cartoon and not knowing the existence of Mario. I think your theory is correct, sir.

 

[Champ Gold]

So I decided to make a tier list

Spoiler: Best Alternate Costume Tier list

• S-Tier:
• A-Tier:
• B-Tier:
• C-Tier:
• D-Tier:
• E-Tier:

Uncertain:

 

[Burruni]

. . .Eh, I still feel like there's a parallel there somewhere. At any rate, the Inklings may be better serviced by waiting until Smash 5 anyway. They may be able to do more with their moveset with a more powerful system depending on what they have in mind, and at the very least they will probably get better trailers and more marketing off of it.

Plus they could tie in their being in the next Smash with a Splatoon sequel.

It's all hypothetical, of course, but I almost get the feeling like Nintendo is saving their ace for when it'll actually do them more good and make more of an impact.

The parallel is largely "New IPs that came out very close to the time of a Smash game's release."

The kind of "untested waters" parallel doesn't work when Splatoon has broken 4.06 million units sold (Smash WiiU selling about 4.61) which, shockingly, is almost around the total of Pikmin's series (Granted the report of that number coming at the end of 2015 but still most of that came before the ballot's closing) and it was enough that Nintendo went for the publication of manga for it.

Source for Splatoon: http://web.archive.org/web/20160202120021/https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/software/wiiu.html

Of course, a bit of that is bias from a fan and I'm sure that K. Rool and Inklings may be more daunting from a programming level. They're just two characters that stick out on "having the right credentials" but not in YET.

 

[Wolfie557]

She's got that little soft, content smile she does, it's just hard to see because of how that picture is so blurred.

And she also has a death stare. Don't go on the bad side of my Bae, Zelda...

 

[NintenZ]

Does anyone think that this sounds like a good match-up?

vs.

 

[Z25]

Does anyone think that this sounds like a good match-up?

vs.

It's clearly in Corrins favor! Water beats fire!

Although mega charziard X resists it, and is pretty good.

I actually used Zard X in ORAS competitively from time to time.

Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Roost

If you get the dragon dances off, it's pretty hard to beat him.

EDIT: I mean earthquake not heat wave. The physical boost makes it really strong.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'd ship Rosalina and Luigi.

If only because deserves better than some high pitched squeeling Princess-in-name-only that people ship only because Peach is already taken.

I actually think Luigi x Rosalina makes perfect sense from a personality standpoint, which is probably why it was a thing in Galaxy.

Luigi is quiet and lacks confidence in himself, and is always overshadowed by Mario. During Galaxy, he seems to want to have some kind of fresh start through Rosalina. Rosalina isn't acquainted with him before Galaxy so he has this outsider to the Mushroom Kingdom who doesn't have a pre-conceived notion about him being "the eternal understudy", so throughout Galaxy, he's always trying to impress her in some way, so that she will view him as strong. This goes as far as Luigi flat out refusing to give Mario a Power Star (a Green one specifically, which are particularly special) unless Mario tells Rosalina Luigi found it - keep in mind that we're supposed to get the Power Stars so we can HELP Rosalina, and in turn, have her help us help Peach:

By contrast, Rosalina is a pretty strong, well respected, and nurturing figure. She is good at bringing out the best in people (she raises the Lumas specifically so that they can eventually transform into whatever their hearts desire), and so I think if Nintendo had continued Luigi x Rosalina as a thing beyond Galaxy, they could have had a running thing of Rosalina striving to make Luigi a stronger, more confident person, which might have been compelling if done right. It also would have been a nice contrast to the male dominant relationship of Mario and Peach (since that whole relationship is defined by Peach having Mario wait on her her and always being there when she needs help).

I could go more into it but there are enough people in this thread who will just be in denial about it because "BUH ROSALINES OVERRATED" or "BUT MUH LUIGIXDAISY" that I know not to bother.

 

[Burruni]

I actually think Luigi x Rosalina makes perfect sense from a personality standpoint, which is probably why it was a thing in Galaxy.
This goes as far as Luigi flat out refusing to give Mario a Power Star (a Green one specifically, which are particularly special) unless Mario tells Rosalina Luigi found it - keep in mind that we're supposed to get the Power Stars so we can HELP Rosalina, and in turn, have her help us help Peach:

Or.
OR.
Hear me out.
It's not a factor of having a crush on Rosalina but just in general wanting to make sure he's credited for what he's doing to help the cause and making sure he isn't forced under Mario's shadow again.

 

[Champ Gold]

I actually think Luigi x Rosalina makes perfect sense from a personality standpoint, which is probably why it was a thing in Galaxy.

Luigi is quiet and lacks confidence in himself, and is always overshadowed by Mario. During Galaxy, he seems to want to have some kind of fresh start through Rosalina. Rosalina isn't acquainted with him before Galaxy so he has this outsider to the Mushroom Kingdom who doesn't have a pre-conceived notion about him being "the eternal understudy", so throughout Galaxy, he's always trying to impress her in some way, so that she will view him as strong. This goes as far as Luigi flat out refusing to give Mario a Power Star (a Green one specifically, which are particularly special) unless Mario tells Rosalina Luigi found it - keep in mind that we're supposed to get the Power Stars so we can HELP Rosalina, and in turn, have her help us help Peach:

By contrast, Rosalina is a pretty strong, well respected, and nurturing figure. She is good at bringing out the best in people (she raises the Lumas specifically so that they can eventually transform into whatever their hearts desire), and so I think if Nintendo had continued Luigi x Rosalina as a thing beyond Galaxy, they could have had a running thing of Rosalina striving to make Luigi a stronger, more confident person, which might have been compelling if done right. It also would have been a nice contrast to the male dominant relationship of Mario and Peach (since that whole relationship is defined by Peach having Mario wait on her her and always being there when she needs help).

I could go more into it but there are enough people in this thread who will just be in denial about it because "BUH ROSALINES OVERRATED" or "BUT MUH LUIGIXDAISY" that I know not to bother.

Why not make it a OT3 situation and have Luigi get both Peach AND Daisy.

Mario gets everything under the sun so why shouldn't Luigi get something better.

 

[Wolfie557]

Does anyone think that this sounds like a good match-up?

vs.

Yh I hinted that earlierXD.

 

[Coricus]

You know, I started thinking of a further explanation for why Inklings weren't DLC.

There's basically three types of DLC characters: Veterans, who are hype as DLC but not really as much so in the base game (you don't know what you had until it's gone), Third Parties, who are hype nearly ANY time but may not have anything to tie into later and are probably the only non-veterans popular enough to drive DLC sales on their own, and Corrin, who's either going to have no hype or be outright irrelevant by the time 5 comes out.

Splatoon is a series that's almost guaranteed to get a sequel. It's a huge deal and deserves a shower of trophies, songs, and other content. DLC content is pretty barebones to say the least, as it's being made on a smaller team. It also naturally gets less care in the marketing department.

I think Nintendo didn't make the Inklings DLC because they don't want to sell their most successful new franchise short. They're going to hold back on the squid kids for now, but when -not if, when- we do get them, it's going to be a much bigger extravaganza and celebration of cephalopodom than DLC ever would have been.

We didn't get Inkling DLC because Nintendo is taking the time to do right by them.

 

[A Distant Demon]

So while we're waiting for Corrin and Bayonetta to set Smashboards ablaze, I found a game on Steam that looked kinda interesting.

It looks like Smash Bros but with hooks.

Smash already HAS hooks

Spoiler

I would rather not play a game where everyone is a Link clone

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know if i should be posting this but i will:

Spoiler

Sorry, the Pacha was too strong.

EDIT: The text is supposed to say "K.O-ing someone with a fully charged Flare Blade". Sorry for the terrible grammar and spelling.

 

[ChikoLad]

Or.
OR.
Hear me out.
It's not a factor of having a crush on Rosalina but just in general wanting to make sure he's credited for what he's doing to help the cause and making sure he isn't forced under Mario's shadow again.

But he literally says she's cute at another point in the game. That's equivalent to saying "she's ****in' hot, dude" in a family friendly game.

Plus he wouldn't specifically ask for Rosalina's acknowledgment like that (in such an EXTREME manner too) if he just wanted general acknowledgement. He could have got that in tons of other ways.

There's also one or two things from Rosalina's perspective too.

Most notably the delivery of that one line in the Luigi playthrough.

The point is that there are way too many little winks and nods to Luigi x Rosalina in the game, for it to be just a coincidence, especially when it caps off with you being rewarded with a picture of them dating, in direct contrast to a picture of Mario and Peach dating.

Trying to deny this is like trying to deny Sora x Kairi being a thing in Kingdom Hearts 1.

Why not make it a OT3 situation and have Luigi get both Peach AND Daisy.

Mario gets everything under the sun so why shouldn't Luigi get something better.

Mario gets every girl under the sun.

So Luigi can get the lady ABOVE the sun.

AND, his very own sun to boot:

 

[Burruni]

Smash already HAS hooks

Spoiler

I would rather not play a game where everyone is a Link clone

That ain't a hook.
Now THIS is a hook!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Whatever you folks do, try not to laugh too hard at my new title and avatar.

It's the result of a dare that happened in the Rool thread recently.

 

[SuperMii3D]

It's clearly in Corrins favor! Water beats fire!

Although mega charziard X resists it, and is pretty good.

I actually used Zard X in ORAS competitively from time to time.

Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Roost

If you get the dragon dances off, it's pretty hard to beat him.

EDIT: I mean earthquake not heat wave. The physical boost makes it really strong.

Huh mines pretty similar but switch Dragon Dance to Fire Punch for the STAB lads

 

[Wolfie557]

Just wanted to post some KI fanart because I feel the series is under appreciated.

Spoiler: big but awesome

Who's you favourite character in Uprising? I really love Pandora, Pittoo & Viridi....but my favorite is still

Spoiler

 

[AreJay25]

I guess this goes without saying, but.

Probably would be a good idea to not play on Miiverse when the new characters drop.

You know, for your own sanity.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

It's perfectly alright, none of us will laugh at your new status at all. We can understand that feel of having a ridiculous new avatar or status when losing a bet that should have never happened.

Spoiler

YOOHUHUHUHMWAHAHAHAHAhahahehehehaHAHAHA

 

[Z25]

Huh mines pretty similar but switch Dragon Dance to Fire Punch for the STAB lads

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That can work as well. I do doubles mostly so I keep earthquake on him for it.
I like dragon claw because it has little resistance from other types

I guess this goes without saying, but.

Probably would be a good idea to not play on Miiverse when the new characters drop.

You know, for your own sanity.

But that's exactly why I want to play on that stage!

 

[BluePikmin11]

I've created part of the timeline, so far I've only done the beginning. Please let me know what you think!

Spoiler: Undertale

Asriel’s Life and Death

In the beginning, Asriel Dreemurr is born as the son of Asgore and Toriel.

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201X
(Referenced in Undertale’s intro cutscene)
Asriel grows older from the age of a baby to a child.

The first human child, Chara, falls into the Underground.

* Chara was curious on what was down in Mt. Ebott, finding out why the monsters were considered dangerous. Chara was filled with determination as a result of this, despite the dangers that could happen. This is Chara not knowing that he/she will never go back to the human world with the barrier in still in effect.

Asriel finds Chara, realizing that he/she was injured, and brings the child home.

* Toriel, Asgore, and/or Asriel explain to the child that she cannot go back to his/her human home at this point. With Chara knowing these barrier effects, he/she had only one choice. That was to be adopted by Asgore and Toriel and raise him/her as their own.

Chara and Asriel immediately get along as best friends.

* Chara, realizing the kindness of monsters, seeked revenge on the human race by going back to the point before he/she fell down Mt. Ebott.

* Chara used this power to convince humans that monsters were not dangerous, but nobody believed in Chara, no matter how hard he/she tried and how many times he/she reset the timeline, it always left a bad outcome in his/her favor. The more he/she reset, the more corrupted Chara became.

That's where my ideas end though, I don't know what to add between the above event and Chara choosing to poison himself. There needs to be a motivation or something that transitions to him/her poisoning.

 

[Z25]

Just wanted to post some KI fanart because I feel the series is under appreciated.

Who's you favourite character in Uprising? I really love Pandora, Pittoo & Viridi....but my favorite is still

Spoiler

This should all be spoilered as they are quite big.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

It's perfectly alright, none of us will laugh at your new status at all. We can understand that feel of having a ridiculous new avatar or status when losing a bet that should have never happened.

Spoiler

YOOHUHUHUHMWAHAHAHAHAhahahehehehaHAHAHA

You little....

And I truly feel sorry for anyone that dare clicks the link in that spoiler.

 

[Deleted member]

I guess this goes without saying, but.

Probably would be a good idea to not play on Miiverse when the new characters drop.

You know, for your own sanity.

I really feel bad for Bayonetta right now.

 

[Deleted member]

I guess this goes without saying, but.

Probably would be a good idea to not play on Miiverse when the new characters drop.

You know, for your own sanity.

I actually forgot about the miiverse stage... Only because I'm never able to play on it because he joins in with his 3ds.

But now I remember.... Oh my goodness I saw some true gold when I did play on that stage. Thanks for reminding me to play on it.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I guess this goes without saying, but.

Probably would be a good idea to not play on Miiverse when the new characters drop.

You know, for your own sanity.

This sounds like a challenge ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Too bad I can't play Miiverse here

Who's you favourite character in Uprising?

Is this even a question?

Spoiler

Spoiler

[/spoiler

 

[Burruni]

Man...
We're at the end.

And is it just me or does Bayonetta's model look oddly flat in the CSS?

 

[Wolfie557]

Haha I loled at first spoiler ^.^

Also, *saves Viridi fanart to my KI fanart folder*