Super Smash Sundays Thread - April 6th 2014, 2:00pm - Red Bank New Jersey

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• Tournament Listings Thread

YESTERcades & MGFC are proud to present Super Smash Sundays East Coast Edition! This will be a Bi-weekly Sunday tournament held in New Jersey for all four (5 smash 4?) smash games!

March 23rd, 2014 - CURRENT FACEBOOK EVENT PAGE < -RSVP HERE

YESTERcades
80 Broad Street
Red Bank, New Jersey 07701

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• Venue Fee: $15.00 ($10.00 venue + $5, Includes in/out access to arcade games and all video game consoles and other arcade facilities for the entire night!) (Working on $10.00 venue for those who don't wish to play any arcade games)​
• Melee Singles: $5.00​
• Brawl Singles: $5.00​
• Project M Singles: $5.00​
• Smash 64 Singles: $5.00​

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Schedule TBD

Rulesets TBD

YESTERcades is currently in the planning process of expanding the arcade for more room. When the renovations are complete, the SSSEC live stream will be brought to you by CLASH Tournaments! (Clash may or may not be streaming the first few events depending on renovations)

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[Cobrevolution]

i'll be there

are these MONTHLIES or WEEKLIES

and if you win one week are you allowed to participate the next week

and will it be usual YC price or cheaper cuz it's a sunday/not a big tourney

 

[KeroKeroppi]

"if you win one week are you allowed to participate the next week"

lol what kind of question is that

 

[Cobrevolution]

"if you win one week are you allowed to participate the next week"

lol what kind of question is that

chain-ace:

Im thinking about having it so that if you win an SSS you won't be able to enter the next one (still come of course but not enter singles two events in a row or someting), the environment is to build the scene and cater first and foremost to the newer players and build their enthusiasm, not have m2k (Or other top player) come every week and take money. We'll see
February 24 at 2:47pm

don't sass me kero

 

[KeroKeroppi]

Sigh. Well that's just about the dumbest thing I've ever read. What have things come to? Is that our solution to good players now? To ban them from future tournaments? Are we supposed to accept the fate that players like M2K will win every single time?

I can't accept that. How are people supposed to surpass the elites if they don't have an opportunity to play them? Are the elites that far above the rest of us that they should be banned from future events? And who says players like M2K are going to win all of the events? He sure as hell won't be winning 64, not on my watch.

If you're going to smash tournaments to make money and are disappointed that the same people keep winning, then don't go to smash tournaments. We don't want you in the community anyway. This game is about having fun. It's about being the best you can be and making friends, if you're concerned about some prize pot at a NJ local, you're playing the wrong game. It's not about the money.

I'm sorry to go off like this, chain-ace, but this rule is the epitome of cowardice and will only make the problem worse. Have faith in the scrubs. Have faith in the new guys. Have faith in people that train hard so that they can go to these tournaments and beat people like M2K.

Please don't accept that the same people will win these things over and over, I promise that that won't be the case.

 

[Cobrevolution]

it's not about people not having faith in the new guys.

it's the fact that the new guys are easily turned off by absolute dominance; if there's no hope, there's no point. if there's no point, there's no growth, and therefore the scene does not expand. a lot of random people go to tourneys just to play, but they might not want to join the community because they see the same people coming out on top every time. which is quite common, of course. this kind of thing prevents that from happening. i don't fully agree with it, but i understand it.

i've seen melee tourneys have amateur brackets - which is pretty cool, in my opinion. unfortunately, we don't really have the size to do that. it'd be unjustified at a tourney of 20 people to run a 12 man amateur bracket; instead, the amateur guys get seeded against the pros. i don't particularly like TO's seeding things, but again, i understand it and realize the necessity and the fairness.

 

[clubbadubba]

banning winners is lame imo.

count me as interested but unlikely

 

[KeroKeroppi]

it's the fact that the new guys are easily turned off by absolute dominance; if there's no hope, there's no point. if there's no point, there's no growth, and therefore the scene does not expand. a lot of random people go to tourneys just to play, but they might not want to join the community because they see the same people coming out on top every time.

That's such a pathetic mindset. Do n00bs expect to just waltz into the SSB community and immediately be the best? You have to create your own hope. You have to give yourself a reason to improve. We should not ruin the opportunities of the hard working people that love this game in an attempt to get a few extra weak minded scrubs to join the community.

Sorry, but if you're the type of person that sees another player's true talent at as "no hope" -- if you're the type of player that won't play a game because the competition is too fierce, then I don't even want you in the community. You're a little ***** and you should reevaluate your values.

Our community should not be concerned with helping players with a breakable mindset. We should be concerned with helping the people who truly love this game. They're the ones that are going to make a difference, not some feeble minded punk.

Anybody that truly loves smash will look at people like M2K and feel the need to improve. Anybody with an ounce of honor will work for their goals and stay and fight. Running is for cowards. If you're scared of "dominance" in a community, I can't acknowledge you. You'll only bring this game down.

 

[Maliki]

That's such a dumb rule if you can't beat the
Person that is coming in first become better than them. Sorry chain ace the rule isn't that good in my
Opinion.

 

[LLDL]

i'll be there

are these MONTHLIES or WEEKLIES

and if you win one week are you allowed to participate the next week

and will it be usual YC price or cheaper cuz it's a sunday/not a big tourney

I discarded that a while ago.

oh and bi-weeklies

Sigh. Well that's just about the dumbest thing I've ever read. What have things come to? Is that our solution to good players now? To ban them from future tournaments? Are we supposed to accept the fate that players like M2K will win every single time?

I can't accept that. How are people supposed to surpass the elites if they don't have an opportunity to play them? Are the elites that far above the rest of us that they should be banned from future events? And who says players like M2K are going to win all of the events? He sure as hell won't be winning 64, not on my watch.

If you're going to smash tournaments to make money and are disappointed that the same people keep winning, then don't go to smash tournaments. We don't want you in the community anyway. This game is about having fun. It's about being the best you can be and making friends, if you're concerned about some prize pot at a NJ local, you're playing the wrong game. It's not about the money.

I'm sorry to go off like this, chain-ace, but this rule is the epitome of cowardice and will only make the problem worse. Have faith in the scrubs. Have faith in the new guys. Have faith in people that train hard so that they can go to these tournaments and beat people like M2K.

Please don't accept that the same people will win these things over and over, I promise that that won't be the case.

It was an incomplete that thought I posted a month ago on facebook. So no I'm not doing that. Also I made a second post that said I wouldn't make a rule like that unless I see the problem unfold before my very eyes, cobr prob didn't see that.

I disagree with your post though. Has nothing to do with cowardice, not having faith in new players, or any of that stuff. I won't even explain the reasoning to you though, because it doesn't matter..because I'm not doing that. Hit me up on facebook tho.

 

[thegreginator]

banning winners is lame imo.

count me as interested but unlikely

Ditto

 

[Ceasar]

Very likely I'll come to this. I look forward to it.

Regarding winners participating, I can understand how hard it is for new players to overcome dominant players, something I've personally been through. However, it seems odd to kind of "punish" dominant players (who consistently win tournaments) for being highly skillful at the game by not allowing them to enter the next tournament. Like Kero said, it's entirely up to the new players to decide if they want to improve or not. I think improvement can most likely happen when they continuously compete with dominant players, which will allow them to have a deeper grasp of the game. That can help new players fix the errors they make against elite players and efficiently improve their playstyle. But, that's just me (and Kero, maybe).

There's much more I have to say, but I'll leave it at this for now.

 

[KeroKeroppi]

****ing bad ass avatar lol

answer my fb message

 

[Cobrevolution]

yeah i didn't see any other discussion of it chain ace, i thought it was still something that was up in the air and not actually discarded. my b.

you know, kero, for someone who wants to be the face of the community, you don't seem too open to allowing everyone in. there are people who love the game but don't like the competition. why discriminate?

you want to be an inspiration...but you want people to create their own hope.
you want to welcome people with open arms...but only those who share your mentality about the game.

i don't understand you at all. you have to realize there are people who are completely different from you who are in the community, and even more who aren't.

the 50 someodd players who went to apex 2013 but didn't go to apex 2014, and the 50 someodd players who went to apex 2014 but more than likely won't be going to apex 2015 - i wish these guys had stuck around. i played some of them, and they were fun kids. but some people can't see a point in driving from ohio to jersey, spending a lot of money and then getting wrecked in a tourney, and i understand that.

 

[Maliki]

Lol ceasdog nice avatar man.

Rob I can actually taste the salt right now.

 

[KeroKeroppi]

you know, kero, for someone who wants to be the face of the community, you don't seem too open to allowing everyone in. there are people who love the game but don't like the competition. why discriminate?

you want to be an inspiration...but you want people to create their own hope.
you want to welcome people with open arms...but only those who share your mentality about the game.

The people who love the game but don't like competition wouldn't mind if M2K won every tournament. They wouldn't mind losing as long as they got to play the the game. I respect those people. However, if you go to a tournament with the sole intention of earning money-- if you back down in the face of true competition because your only concern is winning, I don't care how much you love the game, I will not respect you.

It is true that I want to be the face of this community, but I do things in my own way. I want to inspire people to do things in their own way too. I want people to be their own hope. I want people to be their own motivation. I want people to find their own reason to play. I can't stand people that look at their heroes and say, "I'll just do exactly what he did! I'll train hard and be just like him!" When I become the best, I don't want people to be like me at all. I want people to surpass me in their own way.

I wish anybody and everybody would play this game and I do welcome all with open arms, but if you play for the wrong reason, don't expect me to accept you. I don't care if I'm trying to be the face of the community, if you only care about winning and making money, I will always look down upon you.

 

[Maliki]

Chain ace host these on Saturday!

 

[clubbadubba]

tournaments can be a good way to meet potential new players. After that, we have to either invite those players to play console with us regularly if we live close by, get them in touch with people that live near them if they dont, or help them get online set up on the spot or offer to help them set it up online.

 

[Cobrevolution]

there are many statements regarding people who play "for the wrong reason", all of which have some form of validity or another and can be argued in many ways.

playing to win, playing for fun in a competitive setting, playing for other people, playing selfishly, sandbagging, playing just for money, etcetcetc.

someone could look at you and your goals and question whether or not you're playing for the right or wrong reason. you've done it yourself, actually. on a few occasions.

but if you play for the wrong reason, don't expect me to accept you. I don't care if I'm trying to be the face of the community, if you only care about winning and making money, I will always look down upon you.

this is evidence of why you really shouldn't be the "leader" of the 64 community. at least, not yet, not with this kind of mindset.

you can't possibly think that whether or not you accept someone based on their attitude toward the game means that anyone else should echo that feeling. if you don't, that doesn't mean the rest of the community shouldn't.

and if you don't think that way, why's it matter at all whether you yourself accept someone? whether you look down on them? what's the difference one way or another if kero looks down on someone, but cobr doesn't?

 

[Maliki]

The people who love the game but don't like competition wouldn't mind if M2K won every tournament. They wouldn't mind losing as long as they got to play the the game. I respect those people. However, if you go to a tournament with the sole intention of earning money-- if you back down in the face of true competition because your only concern is winning, I don't care how much you love the game, I will not respect you.

It is true that I want to be the face of this community, but I do things in my own way. I want to inspire people to do things in their own way too. I want people to be their own hope. I want people to be their own motivation. I want people to find their own reason to play. I can't stand people that look at their heroes and say, "I'll just do exactly what he did! I'll train hard and be just like him!" When I become the best, I don't want people to be like me at all. I want people to surpass me in their own way.

I wish anybody and everybody would play this game and I do welcome all with open arms, but if you play for the wrong reason, don't expect me to accept you. I don't care if I'm trying to be the face of the community, if you only care about winning and making money, I will always look down upon you.

Ill surpass you just wait.

 

[The Star King]

you know, kero, for someone who wants to be the face of the community, you don't seem too open to allowing everyone in. there are people who love the game but don't like the competition.

People like this aren't going to enter or stick around competitive communities in the first place.

We should understand and accept that competitive gaming isn't for everyone instead of trying to cater to people who are clearly not naturally into this sort of thing. I'm for community growth and all, but trying to appeal to people who will, in the end, not be part of the community anyway is wasted effort.

 

[Cobrevolution]

i see a couple guys at red bank who go to the tourneys there pretty often and aren't really in the competitive community at all, yet there they are, enjoying it nonetheless.

i feel like there certainly players who are of the ilk i'm talking about. i think smokey is like that - couldn't give a **** about the competition, doesn't really like it too much either, just wants to go and play and have fun and improve on his own terms and time.

 

[KeroKeroppi]

someone could look at you and your goals and question whether or not you're playing for the right or wrong reason. you've done it yourself, actually. on a few occasions.

That's the point. I never said that my philosophy was perfect or that anyone should accept it. It doesn't matter whether or not you guys think that I play for the right reason. It's my goal, not yours. I've continued to say that people should do things their own way and be their own player. Acceptance is the last thing I seek.

In response to a different point, I never said that whether or not I accept someone based on their attitude toward the game means that anyone else should echo that feeling. I know that if I don't accept someone, that doesn't mean the rest of the community shouldn't either.

That's why it doesn't matter what I think of people who only care about making money or winning. Those are merely my feelings, I'm not trying to push them on other people. It's not like my philosophies about this game are any more or any less valid than anyone else's. I'm simply expressing how I feel.

this is evidence of why you really shouldn't be the "leader" of the 64 community. at least, not yet, not with this kind of mindset.

As far as this goes, whether or not I should be the "leader" of this community doesn't matter. Because the truth is that I'm going to be the greatest player who has ever lived and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Being the leader doesn't concern me. What concerns me is my goal, and I will let nothing stand in my way of achieving it.

 

[Cobrevolution]

here's the thing: you claiming to want to be the leader of the community and then saying you won't accept a certain kind of player and will look down on them is an extremely negative thing, for many reasons.

being a leader automatically means people are going to look up to you. it implies that you have followers. and if you refuse to accept someone for their mindset, those who follow you will adopt similar feelings.

Acceptance is the last thing I seek.

practice what you preach. don't talk about accepting other people if it isn't even something you want for yourself. and if you don't care if people accept you, look up to you, that sort of thing, why are you even entertaining the notion that you're the perfect candidate for being the leader?

That's why it doesn't matter what I think of people who only care about making money or winning. Those are merely my feelings, I'm not trying to push them on other people. It's not like my philosophies about this game are any more or any less valid than anyone else's. I'm simply expressing how I feel.

if all of your personal feelings don't matter and everyone's opinion is valid when it comes to accepting people, why are you the person who should be the figurehead of this community?

if you don't seek acceptance, why should you be the one whose opinion is of a higher value than someone else's? what is the benefit of having you at the forefront? you aren't saying anything that's going hand in hand with itself.

Being the leader doesn't concern me

It is true that I want to be the face of this community

come on

 

[KeroKeroppi]

Bleh rob what are you even saying lol.

I don't want to be the leader. I want to be the "face" of the community, meaning that when people think of godlike smash, they think ME. I want to be the BEST. That's all. I don't give a **** if people look up to me. I don't give a **** if people want to be like me. Like I've said 1000 times, I want people to do things their own way. More KeroKeroppi's is the last thing I want.

I said that I don't care if people accept me. Am I not allowed to not-accept other people? I'm not ****ing Gandi or Jesus or some other majestic being lol. I don't give a **** if it's wrong to judge people, I do what I want.

My opinion should NOT be of higher value than anyone, I never said any of that lol. I don't want to be figurehead or the forefront or the leader or any of that nonsense.

I just want to be the best SSB player of all time. That's all.

When that day comes, I will do my best to help the community, like I said. I'm going to try to make a difference. I do want to be a ****ing beast at smash, but above all, I'm still just another ****ing person and what I say isn't more or less important than anything anyone else says.

You're mixing together being the "leader" and being the "best." I only want one of those things.

Bleh i never should have said that I wanted to be the "face," that just made everything confusing lol. I want to be good at smash, that's it aha.

 

[Cobrevolution]

i'm trying to make you realize something very important, and i'm afraid you'll just wind up rationalizing it or justifying it in some way.

I don't give a **** if people look up to me. I don't give a **** if people want to be like me. Like I've said 1000 times, I want people to do things their own way

I said that I don't care if people accept me

My opinion should NOT be of higher value than anyone

I don't want to be figurehead or the forefront or the leader or any of that nonsense.

but above all, I'm still just another ****ing person and what I say isn't more or less important than anything anyone else says.

i hope you are aware that another person already has all of these traits and thoughts and behaviors and actions, the exact same ones you're proclaiming here.

and you and i had a conversation wherein you were berating him for just that.

think about how unfair that is.

 

[KeroKeroppi]

Man get out of here with that **** we spoke about on FB. That has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Bringing in PERSONAL convos and ****. Man wtf.

When the time comes, I'll figure something out. I'm always changing, and I know that. Mark my words though, I'll never be like him.

 

[Cobrevolution]

IS THAT KERO BEING ENLIGHTENED I SEE?

REALIZING YOU'RE SIMILAR? REALIZING YOUR BIAS IS UNFOUNDED?

 

[KeroKeroppi]

Don't you dare say we're similar. I will succeed where he failed. **** him.

 

[Maliki]

What concerns me is my goal, and I will let nothing stand in my way of achieving it.

Ill stop you from achieving it.

 

[KeroKeroppi]

over my dead body

feget

 

[clubbadubba]

Damn I was thinking about showing up for this by busing to Red Bank from NYC and busing back after but it starts to late

Red Bank is just too hard to get to in general for an out of towner, looks like I probably won't be making any appearances here.

i see a couple guys at red bank who go to the tourneys there pretty often and aren't really in the competitive community at all, yet there they are, enjoying it nonetheless.

You should ask these guys to come play with you regularly

 

[KeroKeroppi]

Damn I was thinking about showing up for this by busing to Red Bank from NYC and busing back after but it starts to late

Red Bank is just too hard to get to in general for an out of towner, looks like I probably won't be making any appearances here.

What kind of BS is that? You better make it out to this ****. If you're scared of the Koroshiyo you can just admit it, nobody would judge you.

IDK why you're scared tho, we both know your Luigi would take home the gold.

 

[Cobrevolution]

i could. tommy got some kid's number from the last tourney at red bank and they sext. a lot of guys just like to play extremely casually, though

 

[The Star King]

I am scared of Koroshiyo.



They wreak havoc upon Smashboards like no other.

 

[KeroKeroppi]

I am scared of Koroshiyo.



They wreak havoc upon Smashboards like no other.

Just so ya know, I plan on beating KB Star King at Zenith.

So yeah, you better be scared, *****.

 

[The Star King]

I wouldn't be surprised if I lose.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if I win.

 

[Battlecow]

I used to think SK was the most arrogant smasher out there

and yet he has this apathetic quality to him as well

Like, he takes pride in being the fastest improver or adapter or whatever

but not enough pride to get fussed about beating wizzy or kero

 

[The Star King]

I never claimed to be the fastest improver (though I might've I said I was up there). I'd give that title to kuz. And that's only for people who I've seen start within my time.

Anyway, I'd say something about how my true self is neither arrogant nor humble, but I feel like that itself would come off as arrogant and defeat its own point, and also people wouldn't believe me or take me seriously (especially you, or others I've rubbed the wrong way), so, uh, never mind.

 

[Maliki]

Who's going to this.