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Super Smash Bros64 pros I need your help!

Jakecor

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Okay so mee and my friend have an ongoing rivalry with supersmash bros 64, the current score is 20-15 with my friend leading. He has beaten me 5 times straight now!


My problem: My friend is playing as mario with me as Ness and he is kicking my ***.

He likes to use the Up+B move alot as well as throw me off the edge and then gaurd the edge like a doucher.

My Question: how do I counter this with Ness and what do I do to win? Any tips?
 

walsh

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In reference to the title,







Does Isai even get paid to play this game? And if so, is it more than "everyone throw 10 bucks in the pot at our smashfest" money?







Anyway, back on topic. Hello Jakecor. To teach that pesky mario a lesson what you want to do is when he throws you off, use your double jump to position yourself above and away from the ledge. You don't want to be too close because then he can knock you right back out again.

When you use your up+b, aim it so that when you come back, ness will skim the top of the level starting from the ledge on back. This will shock the living bejesus out of him if he is standing on the ledge. You also don't want to be too far away because ness loses his shocking ability after traveling a certain distance with his up+b. Just experiment with it. You'll get it.


I like to aim for the top corner of ness's ridiculously oversized head if i am coming back from above (which is usually the best approach because if something goes horribly wrong like a stray fireball you might get another chance to up+b again).


This may take a bit of practice at the beginning, but after a few times you will get the hang of it. You will also find that your mario friend might want to be a complete ***** and lob fireballs at you. If this is the case and he ends up hitting you, your up b will obviously fail. Fear not, young padawan, for there is a solution. Simply keep spamming up b and aim DIRECLY for mario no matter where you are. He may be an iconic fireball throwing italian plumber, but he has probably underestimated your biggest asset: you can turn yourself into a god d*mn mother f*cking human bolt of lightning.

He will be a little more leery about being an annoying ledgeguarder after you punish him for his insolence.
 

dandan

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you can just pivot out of mario's upb so he will miss you, then use the ending lag to grab him
(i am offering this advice because i do not think you djc or something in order to use real ness tactics).
 

Zen Yore

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He likes to use the Up+B move alot as well as throw me off the edge and then gaurd the edge like a doucher.


Starting off by saying the Up+B move is horrible and has huge punishment. Fast fall and counterattack him while hes landing.

Also, I think Koro said that once ; "everytime a ness recovers, someone cures cancer", this meaning Ness has a horrible recovery, so I recommand you, like boom said, to stay far from ledges, and try to be unpredictable when using the PK thunder.
 

KoRoBeNiKi

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Lol Zenyore used my quote. It is quite true, ness shouldn't recover if Ness is expected to Up B unless the opponent fails at edgeguarding.

Ness's recovery sucks. If he is abusing your recovery, abuse his. Either down air his recovery (don't fast fall it or you'll die most likely), or grab the ledge at the correct time and then either down air into an up air or just throw him back off. If I am not mistaken (correct me if I am wrong), Ness can also down smash Mario's up b.

Don't really bother to learn to use your recovery better outside of learning how to cancel your down b to grab the ledge out of a double jump.

For everything else, get better at using double jump cancels and abuse Ness's DJC's and up tilt. If mario is Up B'ing Fast fall and then DJC down air or do something similar out of it.

Just be unpedictable
 

NixxxoN

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But it's great advice for a newcomer that wants to beat his friend :laugh:
Yep thats true
Also, Ness is garbage against Mario

If he really wants to keep on using ness, gotta play defensive. Space well!
If mario spams fireballs, try to absorb them with down+b at a safe distance.
Abuse grabs, throw out, and edgeguard with downsmash, thats the easiest way to kill mario.
 

M15t3R E

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Okay... I entered "Counter Mario with Ness in SSB64" into my brain's scenario visualizer. Here's what happened. In a matter of seconds I got a picture of Ness punishing Mario's dair with a grab to b-throw.
Try it.
 

Smasherx74

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Don't listen to these people, listen to me, i'm the smartest person here.

Ness has great recovery if you know how to use it, Always try to make ness hit right on the ledge to quick grab it so they can't Nair or Fair you while you're falling. Also to beat mario, camp on the left side and if he spams fireballs just use Bdown. When he gets to you throw him off edge jump over him and Dair. Also learn to DJC, press C then C again quickly while holding up, down, left or right and do a air attack or just use Nair.

Ness #1 Rule: Don't use PK fire.
 

dandan

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Yep thats true
Also, Ness is garbage against Mario

If he really wants to keep on using ness, gotta play defensive. Space well!
If mario spams fireballs, try to absorb them with down+b at a safe distance.
Abuse grabs, throw out, and edgeguard with downsmash, thats the easiest way to kill mario.
if ness uses downb on fireballs he will get grabbed, the delay of that move is horrendous when mario is approaching.
also, this mario just spams upb, so he does not need to play defensive, instead he should go ahead and punish the landings.
 

NixxxoN

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if ness uses downb on fireballs he will get grabbed, the delay of that move is horrendous when mario is approaching.
also, this mario just spams upb, so he does not need to play defensive, instead he should go ahead and punish the landings.
If he spams up+b it means its a noob mario, I bet he doesnt even use fireballs to help the recovery.
 

mr yo

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Yep thats true
Also, Ness is garbage against Mario

If he really wants to keep on using ness, gotta play defensive. Space well!
If mario spams fireballs, try to absorb them with down+b at a safe distance.
Abuse grabs, throw out, and edgeguard with downsmash, thats the easiest way to kill mario.

ness is garbage against mario in the current advanced metagame....that doesnt count with a mario that spams grabs and up b...

if you want to learn how to play good smash...you should start practicing djc and playing online where you can acces easily to a real competitive level of smash

but if you just want to beat your friend WITH ness, avoid his upb and throw him off then down smash...
also learn how to cancel you second jump with down b into the ledge : go of the stage, jump and when you are near the ledge and facing to it pres down b....it helps to have more option to comeback
 

linkoninja

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I personally like Ness vs Mario
I think its fun
try to bait those Up B's and then when he's in the air vulnerable Up Air juggle him
finish it off with a backthrow
or Down Air to Up Air Star KO
just space against Mario correctly so you don't get grabbed.
Break his shields with Ness' broken DJC
 
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