Stuff the smash community does that drives you crazy?

[Strong-Arm]

To me its when people bag on you for using a lower tier char, being rude, or being a total jerk about losing. What frustrates you guys?

 

[Octavium]

Keep in mind that these are personality problems for the people you play with and NOT a problem to be associated with the community. Of course we're not all nice people, but we can't really generalize our community with this.

I'll add my thoughts, I hate character Johns, which is the act of complaining to your opponent because he/she picked a higher tiered character. I dislike quitting game when loosing and will not play with someone who makes a big deal out of loosing.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Ride Sakurai's ****.

 

[Teran]

Thinking that a money match is a suitable way to solve personal issues with one another

 

[Octavium]

Thinking that a money match is a suitable way to solve personal issues with one another

Oh god that's a terrible way to deal with them xD

 

[Cyn]

Thinking that a money match is a suitable way to solve personal issues with one another

Are you saying taking someone else's hard earned cash is not the right way to make nice and be friends? You crazy.

 

[sWiTcHeRoO [疾~斬]]

I hate how gullible most people tend to be. Whenever leaks and the like spring up, only a very scarce minority will actually take things with a grain of salt, but it seems like the majority of people don't even have the concept of doubt in their brains, and it irks me.

 

[Panda Yuki]

Hating every new installment because it isn't melee. Also the division between the community over the decision of official ruleset for tournaments (2 stock vs 3 stock, customs on vs customs off, etc.)

 

[Kyzael]

The smash community...hm...Tier lists. At least in the case of Smash 4.
Otherwise, the community hasn't really done me wrong (yet).

 

[Octavium]

The smash community...hm...Tier lists. At least in the case of Smash 4.
Otherwise, the community hasn't really done me wrong (yet).

Tier lists don't take into account player skill though, imagine high tier characters as high skill multipliers, and low tiers as low skill multipliers.

Like Diddy has a skill multiplier of like 2, and Zelda like 0.8, but the better player will usually win in the end.

 

[Kyzael]

Tier lists don't take into account player skill though, imagine high tier characters as high skill multipliers, and low tiers as low skill multipliers.

Like Diddy has a skill multiplier of like 2, and Zelda like 0.8, but the better player will usually win in the end.

Which in the end, kinda sucks. I like Falco but I know he's a lower tier character. And being on equal terms of skill with someone else just puts the odds against me.

This is why I really like Lucario as the fight isn't over until I am KO'd or my opponent is. Because in the end, most of the time it's a Sudden Death match with Lucario.

 

[Heroine of Winds]

Melee fans bashing on later installments. Sure I may prefer some things in Melee more, but I don't go around hating on people who prefer either Brawl or 4. That's just not my thing.

 

[Zink Imp]

Everything.

 

[Raethien]

Tier lists don't take into account player skill though, imagine high tier characters as high skill multipliers, and low tiers as low skill multipliers.

Like Diddy has a skill multiplier of like 2, and Zelda like 0.8, but the better player will usually win in the end.

People always **** on Falco, and Wii Fit, characters like that.
But they may not be good with them, but someone is.

 

[Octavium]

Melee fans bashing on later installments. Sure I may prefer some things in Melee more, but I don't go around hating on people who prefer either Brawl or 4. That's just not my thing.

That could be because of Sakurai's cold... backstabbing dagger they got because the newer installments are too different and nothing like melee.

That causes them to hate on newer installments, although I dislike the hate, I can't help but feel for them.

Most of us huge Metroid fans also got a cold back-stab from Metroid Other M. And If we get more like those, I might burn my Metroid merch.

 

[ELITEWarri0r115]

One thing I hate... That would be the smash 4 haters. Hard to describe, but I just do.

 

[Kurri ★]

One thing I hate... That would be the smash 4 haters. Hard to describe, but I just do.

I think it'd be a good idea to at least describe something, however minute it may be, otherwise you'd be just as good as the 'haters' (I really hate that word).

Personally I don't mind if someone doesn't enjoy Smash 4 and voices their opinion, in a respectful manner mind you, about it. Why should I? I'm not going to force you to like it, I may try to persuade but really I'll just leave it alone.

Problem kicks in when every second, every minute, every time you hear it, speak it, think it, you foam at the mouth, hunched over, pounding away at the keyboard, your breathing grows heavy. Surely whatever it is must be of great importance. No, someone said "I play (insert Smash game here), and I find it fun." and you're gonna show them wrong from right. How dare they not play (Your favorite Smash game here)! Heathens, they lack passion, "Kush is more technical" (I admit, that's passive aggressive)

Really? Does it pain you that much that someone happens to enjoy another game? "Oh no, they're stuck in the past playing Melee" "Oh no, they lack passion because they're just gonna move on to Smash 5, 6, 7..." "Oh no, they play a jank MOD it's not even a game" "Oh no Metaknight..."

 

[Kyzael]

I think it'd be a good idea to at least describe something, however minute it may be, otherwise you'd be just as good as the 'haters' (I really hate that word).

Personally I don't mind if someone doesn't enjoy Smash 4 and voices their opinion, in a respectful manner mind you, about it. Why should I? I'm not going to force you to like it, I may try to persuade but really I'll just leave it alone.

Problem kicks in when every second, every minute, every time you hear it, speak it, think it, you foam at the mouth, hunched over, pounding away at the keyboard, your breathing grows heavy. Surely whatever it is must be of great importance. No, someone said "I play (insert Smash game here), and I find it fun." and you're gonna show them wrong from right. How dare they not play (Your favorite Smash game here)! Heathens, they lack passion, "Kush is more technical" (I admit, that's passive aggressive)

Really? Does it pain you that much that someone happens to enjoy another game? "Oh no, they're stuck in the past playing Melee" "Oh no, they lack passion because they're just gonna move on to Smash 5, 6, 7..." "Oh no, they play a jank MOD it's not even a game" "Oh no Metaknight..."

Very valid point, I would say so myself. The word "hater" isn't exactly a word i'd like either. I especially don't like the term 'salty.' It bugs me hearing it, even when not directed at me.

While I agree that ELITE has no right, even in the slightest to be upset at anyone for not playing Smash 4 or just not enjoying it. Though he does have a right to defend it in the cases where say...a Melee or PM player just out-right says Smash 4 is a bad game, maybe go as far as say it's worse than Brawl. (I played Brawl when I was younger for fun. I guess you could call it that, 'fun'...but compared to Smash 4, Brawl was just unbalanced. That's my 2 cents anyway)

At that point, I would think he would be entitled of being upset at least. "Zero Suit/Palutena don't belong in the game, they are bad or out of place." Case as in someone is hating on your main. Natural response would be either ignore them or explain why their statement isn't correct at least. As in smash 4, I could easily say anyone is viable to for competitive play. Sure, some people may have opinions over things but isn't there a point where you should interject your counter-opinion as their's was, as to say "wrong"?

I suppose at this point it's whether debating between facts and opinions. Hmph...Well anyway, as per my statement on your mains. One say they are bad, you'd disagree and have a possible argument. At that point, it's best to just draw between facts and opinions. "X" character is my main and is very good and whether or not you think they belong in the game, they are in it.

Back to the Smash 4 part, I apologize. x.x
Smash 4 is new and in some cases better (More welcoming for starting competitive players) while in some cases, it is worse. (The varying Omega stages. Making the platform different and changing the height of the blast-zones makes things annoying.)
PM is better at...hm. Well the best cases, hype and speed. I see it as being enjoyable due to it's speed and learning curve. It's not something you can just pick up and learn within a week.

In short, people will have their opinions. Some may be different than another and that's where rivalry, fights, even war (talking in a sense of in general) can be caused by this. Agreeing that someone else's opinions is their own as your's are your own is the best way to resolve moments like these.

P.s. I wasn't really feeling like I needed in to interject between you and ELITE, not trying to say like you did anything wrong. I just felt like placing in my own input of the topic. I apologize if I upset anyone.

 

[Octavium]

Smash 4 is new and in some cases better (More welcoming for starting competitive players) while in some cases, it is worse. (The varying Omega stages. Making the platform different and changing the height of the blast-zones makes things annoying.)
PM is better at...hm. Well the best cases, hype and speed. I see it as being enjoyable due to it's speed and learning curve. It's not something you can just pick up and learn within a week.

In short, people will have their opinions. Some may be different than another and that's where rivalry, fights, even war (talking in a sense of in general) can be caused by this. Agreeing that someone else's opinions is their own as your's are your own is the best way to resolve moments like these.

An opinion's validity can be quantified though, depending on how bound to rationality it is through debate and arguments. An opinion can be rationally moral and others can be based on absolute rationality with no morals considered.

[Example of a moral based rational opinion: The prisoners should be treated with moderation without any cruelty, as they are humans with human rights and shouldn't suffer more than their determined punishment as prison time. Despite the heavy costs of tax money to provide that luxury, which could be used for other productive activities.]

[Example of rational opinion with no morals considered: One can debate the existence of video games to be unhealthy to human brains because it causes us to release dopamine for accomplishing a false objective that is not necessary to our development or survival. By playing video games we can addict ourselves to unproductive hobbies through exploiting our human instincts for triggering ''happiness'' (triggering of dopamine receptors), consuming time that could be used to further develop ourselves and the human race.]

Saying that one game is best is a bold statement, as ''best'' is a very vague word in most application when its not specified.

Smash 4 is best in certain things and Melee is best in others. Although it is generally agreed smash 4 has a superior learning curve for new players.

The Melee mechanics have incredible potential and are generally agreed to be superior as a viewing experience in a competitive setting, its very fast and exiting with a bunch of factors that aren't automated (The lack of buffer frames, the need for L-cancel for low landing lag, the ability to interrupt a dash early on for mindgames) make for a player to have much more control over the intricate movements and spacing of their character.

But Smash 4 has much more content and viable characters (at the moment) along with much easier access. While still having elements to be a very competitive game.

I would personally enjoy Smash 4 for its contents and roster along with the addition of Melee mechanics, I think that would be the fighting game of the century.

 

[Kyzael]

An opinion's validity can be quantified though, depending on how bound to rationality it is through debate and arguments. An opinion can be rationally moral and others can be based on absolute rationality with no morals considered.

[Example of a moral based rational opinion: The prisoners should be treated with moderation without any cruelty, as they are humans with human rights and shouldn't suffer more than their determined punishment as prison time. Despite the heavy costs of tax money to provide that luxury, which could be used for other productive activities.]

[Example of rational opinion with no morals considered: One can debate the existence of video games to be unhealthy to human brains because it causes us to release dopamine for accomplishing a false objective that is not necessary to our development or survival. By playing video games we can addict ourselves to unproductive hobbies through exploiting our human instincts for triggering ''happiness'' (triggering of dopamine receptors), consuming time that could be used to further develop ourselves and the human race.]

Saying that one game is best is a bold statement, as ''best'' is a very vague word in most application when its not specified.

Smash 4 is best in certain things and Melee is best in others. Although it is generally agreed smash 4 has a superior learning curve for new players.

The Melee mechanics have incredible potential and are generally agreed to be superior as a viewing experience in a competitive setting, its very fast and exiting with a bunch of factors that aren't automated (The lack of buffer frames, the need for L-cancel for low landing lag, the ability to interrupt a dash early on for mindgames) make for a player to have much more control over the intricate movements and spacing of their character.

But Smash 4 has much more content and viable characters (at the moment) along with much easier access. While still having elements to be a very competitive game.

I would personally enjoy Smash 4 for its contents and roster along with the addition of Melee mechanics, I think that would be the fighting game of the century.

With time, it could be possible to see a Smash 4 version of Project M. Though I supposed you'd need a new name for it...Project U? Lol

 

[Chinaux]

play smash 4

 

[Octavium]

play smash 4

Be careful not to fall for it.

 

[Chinaux]

Be careful not to fall for it.

nice maymay dude did you get it off smashboards?

 

[Kurri ★]

nice maymay dude did you get it off smashboards?

Nah mang, he got dat **** off duh dankest place en duh interwebz

9GAG

But really, you're just trying too hard.

Very valid point, I would say so myself. The word "hater" isn't exactly a word i'd like either. I especially don't like the term 'salty.' It bugs me hearing it, even when not directed at me.

While I agree that ELITE has no right, even in the slightest to be upset at anyone for not playing Smash 4 or just not enjoying it. Though he does have a right to defend it in the cases where say...a Melee or PM player just out-right says Smash 4 is a bad game, maybe go as far as say it's worse than Brawl. (I played Brawl when I was younger for fun. I guess you could call it that, 'fun'...but compared to Smash 4, Brawl was just unbalanced. That's my 2 cents anyway)

At that point, I would think he would be entitled of being upset at least. "Zero Suit/Palutena don't belong in the game, they are bad or out of place." Case as in someone is hating on your main. Natural response would be either ignore them or explain why their statement isn't correct at least. As in smash 4, I could easily say anyone is viable to for competitive play. Sure, some people may have opinions over things but isn't there a point where you should interject your counter-opinion as their's was, as to say "wrong"?

I suppose at this point it's whether debating between facts and opinions. Hmph...Well anyway, as per my statement on your mains. One say they are bad, you'd disagree and have a possible argument. At that point, it's best to just draw between facts and opinions. "X" character is my main and is very good and whether or not you think they belong in the game, they are in it.

Back to the Smash 4 part, I apologize. x.x
Smash 4 is new and in some cases better (More welcoming for starting competitive players) while in some cases, it is worse. (The varying Omega stages. Making the platform different and changing the height of the blast-zones makes things annoying.)
PM is better at...hm. Well the best cases, hype and speed. I see it as being enjoyable due to it's speed and learning curve. It's not something you can just pick up and learn within a week.

In short, people will have their opinions. Some may be different than another and that's where rivalry, fights, even war (talking in a sense of in general) can be caused by this. Agreeing that someone else's opinions is their own as your's are your own is the best way to resolve moments like these.

P.s. I wasn't really feeling like I needed in to interject between you and ELITE, not trying to say like you did anything wrong. I just felt like placing in my own input of the topic. I apologize if I upset anyone.

Did it really look like I was attacking ELITE? I didn't mean to, aside from the whole hater and detailing your opinion part, my post was supposed it's own thing. I suppose it was my fault for not differentiating between the two.

 

[Kyzael]

Nah mang, he got dat **** off duh dankest place en duh interwebz

9GAG

But really, you're just trying too hard.


Did it really look like I was attacking ELITE? I didn't mean to, aside from the whole hater and detailing your opinion part, my post was supposed it's own thing. I suppose it was my fault for not differentiating between the two.

Oh no no! I wasn't saying you were attacking ELITE. I apologize if I came of that way. >.<"
I was merely just adding my own input and such towards the topic.

 

[Frizz]

For me, it would be the leaks. I get that people want to be more hyped for the game, but honestly, can't they be a bit more patient? I mean, it's like finding out the details of your surprise birthday party your friends are throwing you - it won't be as exciting as if you didn't know anything about it. The fake leaks are just as bad. Whenever someone creates one just to "lol trik ppl xDDDD" or even just a leak that's eventually proven real, I see speculation EVERYWHERE. It's fine if you talk about it; it just doesn't need to be at every social media networking site. Poor Sakurai though. He had a whole game, worked on it with calcific tendonitis, and the whole ESRB leak thing happened.

 

[Heroine of Winds]

For me, it would be the leaks. I get that people want to be more hyped for the game, but honestly, can't they be a bit more patient? I mean, it's like finding out the details of your surprise birthday party your friends are throwing you - it won't be as exciting as if you didn't know anything about it. The fake leaks are just as bad. Whenever someone creates one just to "lol trik ppl xDDDD" or even just a leak that's eventually proven real, I see speculation EVERYWHERE. It's fine if you talk about it; it just doesn't need to be at every social media networking site. Poor Sakurai though. He had a whole game, worked on it with calcific tendonitis, and the whole ESRB leak thing happened.

I hate it when things like this happen. I want to be surprised whenever something like what character or stage am I unlocking, but the leakers ruin everything. Back when Melee came out, I was surprised to see characters like Mewtwo in the game, and this was before I used the internet a lot.

Can't be surprised anymore because the leakers ruin everything for me.

 

[ELITEWarri0r115]

I hate leakers too... I wish they could never ruin everything by putting out the info. But if the Leakers say excuses like: "oh, everybody is just excited and we want to show what it's like!" or "we just want to show what the game is gonna feture!". NOT ACCEPTABLE I mean, I wish that can be put all on one website, but no. Also, Let that game's creators DECIDE to let out info, hints, or commercials! I never knew about the newer info on brawl until I watched the commercial! that is a leak shown out BY NINTENDO THEMSELVES. Just wish leakers would leave the games be until it releases.

 

[CynicalController]

People getting really salty really fast. Especially when the person acted like an overly entitled elitist prior. I know this isn't very large issue most of the time, but I tend to be on the opposite end of the sword.

 

[Tali vas Normandy]

When people are discussing tatics and they use abbreviations and i don't have a clue what the hell they stand for.

Guess that me just be slow though

 

[Octavium]

@ Frizz @ H Heroine of Winds @ELITEWarri0r115

I don't see anything wrong with leaks since 90% of the time they aren't real and are just guesses, the ONLY way to know for sure a leak is real is when the game releases. Because of this reason the surprise is never spoiled, leaks are also healthy for the community since it sparks alot of conversations and speculation and keeps people EXTREMALY hyped for the game.

The only real leak we got was the ESRB leaker, and despite a ton of people believing it, they weren't 100% sure until it was confirmed, and when it was confirmed, most of us we're 200x more hyped then relieved.

But we're all entitled to our opinions on the matter.

 

[LancerStaff]

For me, it's the stupidity surrounding how Smash's roster is made. People seem to think that they're always right and that X will be in the game even after it's gotten to the point Ridley did. And when they inevitably don't make it in they feel the need to attack virtually any character just because they're in the game. Especially when people think a clone like Dark Pit could of been something like Dixie Kong instead it's just plain ridiculous. Sakurai has given us his requirements for a character's inclusion for a while now, and they match up with what we have. They're not something you could of used to deduce the final roster, but they're indicative of what we got and what to expect. And I'm not saying you shouldn't support characters like K. Rool either... But you have to admit that your character has moveset and relevancy problems when they do.

And then there's the whole "clone vs. semiclone" thing which is just stupid on all accounts. A clone is a clone. Get over it. They'll all have that stigma no matter what you call them.

That could be because of Sakurai's cold... backstabbing dagger they got because the newer installments are too different and nothing like melee.

That causes them to hate on newer installments, although I dislike the hate, I can't help but feel for them.

Most of us huge Metroid fans also got a cold back-stab from Metroid Other M. And If we get more like those, I might burn my Metroid merch.

Kinda different with Smash. Smash is supposed to be this easy to play party-type game with mechanics that resemble fighting games. Basically everything Melee fans see as good, casual and casual oriented players see as bad. Metroid is supposed to be about exploring this giant map without a singular, set path locking you out of different areas, not a 90-99% linear game with completely forced upgrades. Metroid is weird... All but four games were created as exceedingly linear experiences, and really muddles what the series is supposed to stand for. I'm sticking to what the first three plus ZM stood for.

 

[A Very Nice Dishwasher]

play smash 4

That belongs here

 

[MVboy39]

You know how every community has that one group of people who say that something is the pinnacle of human achievement and everything else stinks? Call of Duty has that group, Melee has that group...

play smash 4

Smash 4 has that group...

 

[Octavium]

You know how every community has that one group of people who say that something is the pinnacle of human achievement and everything else stinks? Call of Duty has that group, Melee has that group...

Smash 4 has that group...

Almost every field has that group though, Its not hard to imagine a sport athlete disrespecting an artist's art, no-mater the amount of skill the artist possesses. Its also not hard to imagine the other way around.

Some people think the world revolves around them, that their decisions and vocations are the best. We call these people closed minded idiots.

 

[Reila]

A few things...

The pointless hate towards For Glory players. Scratch that, the hate towards online players in general. I just don't get it. It is fine if you prefer to play local (in tournaments or with friends), but is it that hard to understand that both of these things are not available to everyone or that some people just prefer to play online and not have to deal with human interactions (not my case, mind you... I just live in a place where tournaments aren't a thing usually).

"Money matches" and "professional players". Play the game to have fun, not to earn money. I guess the "e-sport" thing just doesn't sit right with me.

When it comes to speculating the roster, the attitude some people have. "Character X will never be in the game because they are irrelevant!!" "Nintendo would never allow character Y to be playable" "A second franchise B rep? Are you insane?" Yeah ok mate.

Banning content in competitive environments. I get it, there is no way to allow items and still have actual competitive and fair matches, but the community goes to far on banning stages. Plus, the mentality that platforms are essential in a stage is a bit weird, never had any problems playing in flat stages.

Shaming people because of the character(s) they main. This isn't exclusive to Smash. Yeah, I don't like EVERY character in Smash, but people shouldn't be looked down because they like playing a character you dislike.

There's more, but I don't want to sound overly grumpy.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Personally, I've been kinda miffed with a few things in this community;

• The building aggression between character supporters for the Smash Ballot, which bothers me because it's just dividing us into categories based on who we want in Smash. Especially the aggression against Ridley is the biggest thing, because almost every Ridley-related Smash video has at least one comment saying to the high heavens "HE'S TOO BIG!!!!" and it's just annoying at this point. Not even getting into the people who literally invoke the No True Scottsman fallacy on you about it.
  
  
• People who say competetive play "ruins" Smash are also annoying, because what are they doing in the game? Competing. Smash is the equivalent to hockey or football; it's a competetive game no matter how you play it. You play to win, not to lose. Competetive Smash is just the NHL to casual Smash's local game for fun.
  
  
• On that same note, people who whine about banning characters, stages and/or items. This isn't even unique to Smash; many fighting games played at professional level will ban unfair elements to balance the metagame, so why should Smash be the exception? It's done to make the metagame develop beyond stagnation. Items are also a random element, which means luck can override skill with items in play; hardly conductive to competition. Stages that get banned have reasons they are banned, usually due to unfair elements like autoscrolling or prominent hazards. And let's be honest, who really wants to see a meta game of only like 2 characters?

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

When people spoon feed you their opinions as if it were fact. It seems this community cannot embrace or live with what other people think. It has to be
"Play my game, Smash 4 is ****"
"This character is going to be in, you can't tell me otherwise and you're a fool for believing otherwise"
Etc.
The endless complaining is another thing.

 

[Enderwoman]

I hate it when people complain about certain characters being in Smash. Like Wii Fit, Duck Hunt, Game and Watch, Rob, and I've even seen people complain about the Villager. Apparently they're out of place or are just plain stupid?

Why is more diverse franchise representation bad? Does not being personally attached to a character automatically not make them a good choice for Smash?

I especially hate it when people say these characters apparently "stole a slot" from a character they wanted in.

 

[Chinaux]

That belongs here

i bet you thought that was witty and clever