Strategies against dr.mario/mario?

[Seraphimofcruxis]

Hi everyone, I'm kinda new here, short time lurker, new poster. I'm just wondering what strategies are there against the Mario's? Me and my little brother are pretty much tourney ready with our Mario/Luigi mains but i have a marth secondary that i need working on. My little brother is almost as good as my me playing on my main with mario, and he always seems to do a great approach with pills, grabs and down smashes.

Is there any way to solve his projectile spamming? I wish i can show you a video of us playing, but unfortunately, we don't really know how to record videos from our tv and we don't have a gamecube at the moment. We play at our friends house. Sorry for the trouble i'm causing if any.

 

[SOPF]

Well, I think there was a thread about getting around projectile spammers but I don't know if it refered to the Marios. One thing you could do is swat the fireballs or pills with SH Fairs but a good Mario or Doc will read this strategy and attack you during the moment of lag after the Fair. So, you'll have to limit that to an occasional thing.
Another option is jumping over the fireballs or running under the pills, but this can lead to a sex kick in the face so you'll probably want to throw out an aerial if you think he'll attack you.
With projectile users, the objective should be to keep them in swords reach at all times. If he gets the chance to distance himself and projectile spam he has the upperhand, and if you're too close then the things will be evened out but if you keep him just in reach of a tip then he should't be able to get a good hit on you.
Hope that helped.

 

[Adi]

Yeah the key vs. projectile spamming is spacing, try not to be at a mid range where he can catch you if you Fair projectiles.

 

[RT]

Watch out for projectile spam, and try to keep the Marios in the air. Be sure to maintain your spacing, especially if the Mario starts camping.

There's actually a stickied thread in the Doc boards that talks about this matchup in detail. You should probably read it if you're having a specific problem against a Doc. Doc vs Marth is a somewhat close match but not as close as say against a Falcon.

 

[GofG]

If they're spamming projectiles, don't SH fair them away... Just use your neutral a. There's like no lag, you can shield the shuffled aerial if it comes, possible opening up a grab opportunity.

I don't understand why you would need to shuffle a fair just to bat away a pill.

 

[Anomic_Punk]

D-tilts **** Doc.
Counter on the ledge to edgeguard.

Sweetspot the ledge when you recover so you don't get caped.

Thats all I can think of.

 

[The Black Cat]

Learn to wavedash, if you can already, wavedash back when he gets too close from pill rushing.

Other then that spam cape, cape every pill you can. Also use firebals inbetween capes.

With all of pills coming back at him, and some rolling balls of flames, he might just have to change strategy.

 

[Anomic_Punk]

Learn to wavedash, if you can already, wavedash back when he gets too close from pill rushing.

Other then that spam cape, cape every pill you can. Also use firebals inbetween capes.

With all of pills coming back at him, and some rolling balls of flames, he might just have to change strategy.

That might work if you were Mario, instead of Marth.
=P

 

[Dark Sonic]

If they're spamming projectiles, don't SH fair them away... Just use your neutral a. There's like no lag, you can shield the shuffled aerial if it comes, possible opening up a grab opportunity.

I don't understand why you would need to shuffle a fair just to bat away a pill.

Because you can hit both the pill and the Doc, duh. You're supposed to fast fall and L-cancel that fair to, so that if the mario does follow the pill you'll still have enough time to move. You could dash away, shield , roll, ect. to avoid getting hit by the follow up.

 

[FrostByte]

If the are*spamming* pills while camping, it's best just to jab them away anyway to outcamp them. It takes less effort, which forces doc to approach you. Doc can space the pill so he can hit you off the lag of the fair. If you use a ground attack, it cancels the lag completely.

 

[Seraphimofcruxis]

thanks for the help guys, i already know how to wavedash/advance tactics, it's just marth that i need to work on. My main which is mario has no problems at all when dealing with him.

 

[capncone]

If all else fails, you could try just standing out of pill's/fireball's reach until they get bored of it and come attack you. It depends on who you're playing against, and whether you're ahead or not.

 

[SOPF]

capncone, if you stay out of the fireballs'/pills' range the doc/mario will just move forward so you're within reach. I doubt they'll just go in for the attack, unless they're very impatient.

 

[Dreadlord Santa]

I'm not sure if it works against good docs, but when I play my teams partner (Doc main) I can generally short-hop over the pills when they bounce, and keep gaining a little more ground every time, until eventually, I can Fsmash a pill and tip him with it at the same time. I have several vids of this happening (pulled it off twice in one match, once) so I'll go and review them to see if he could have prevented this.

All the other strategies have been mentioned, pretty much, so good luck with that! Those strategies do work against pretty much all projectiles, just try to use the low-lag moves - Fsmash doesn't usually work very well unless you're going for the hit at the same time, and you can even cut right through projectiles with a tipper, which is even worse.