Still looking for some help

[Dark.Pch]

Yea, Im free now

 

[Awesomecakes]

sweet, I'll be right on.
and i guess I'll host too

dang that was some lag. =S i'd say we could try again with you hosting instead, but thats a bit of a longshot

 

[Dark.Pch]

Hold on a sec I know why it is lagging

 

[Awesomecakes]

ahh ok, cool

 

[HeeroOfTheSkys]

GGs AwesomeCakes. Learnt a lot from playing against u, a lot of stuff I never even thought about so thanks for that. Sorry about the lag dude was probably on my end. Hopefully we can play again sometime

 

[Awesomecakes]

GGs AwesomeCakes. Learnt a lot from playing against u, a lot of stuff I never even thought about so thanks for that. Sorry about the lag dude was probably on my end. Hopefully we can play again sometime

hey don't worry about it, the lag was pretty good for most of it. Just a few matches were off. You've got a better use of Bair than I do, i'll probably need to incorporate more of that into my game. And you've got the movement that I don't. I would say try to stay closer to the ground more. because you go a little too high sometimes you get tempted to go for landing Fairs which are not safe. Though you have to be careful with aerial approaches in general. I was able to hit you with lots of anti-air Fsmashes because of this. Staying low to the ground makes it easier to react to that kind of thing.

But i'm glad I could help. This is why ditto's are so great. Everyone learns <3 And yeah, we gotta play again sometime!

 

[HeeroOfTheSkys]

Thanks dude. Ur Dair game was very gd and once u got me off the stage it was very difficult 2 get bk which r things I will have 2 practice more myself. Yeah ur right about me going 2 high at times I gotta work on that as well as just playing a much safer game in general. But yeah practice those Bair's dude they r really useful

I gotta keep playing more people on ur lvl cause I have more or less only been playing For Glory and I think I have picked up a few bad habits

 

[Dark.Pch]

Finally fixed this router. Hopefully things should be better. So if you still wanna play or anyone else, let me know

 

[Awesomecakes]

sure i'll play. i'll be right on

lol. or we just have a horrible connection... you don't happen to live in asia do you? =P I dunno. see if regular things work properly, like try a for glory match or two.

well from our match, I could already tell you were baiting my Fsmashes. I got desperate for the kill and couldn't get in on you. This also stressed the importance to me of learning to QFR, which I will be working on thanks to the vid on your channel.

 

[Mrawesome48]

Shield and punish is very basic, there must be something crucial ur doing wrong. What buttons r u pushing when u do it?
I shield with L then as soon I block there move I push A to grab out of the shield. Punishing rolls can be hard online especially against fast characters like Little Mac and Shiek IMO

Reading guides and watching tutorials is all gd but if u dont understand why players are doing the things they r doing it wont help u much.

Send me a pm sometime we can play some matches and maybe get on skype so we can discuss where u r going wrong in more depth

Shielding with L and grabbing with A just like you. I understand why the players are doing certain things but i can't do it myself. For example one of the easiest ways to beat little mac is to shield and punish and throw him off the stage. I know what to do but i can't do it myself. For my controller i use the Princess peach fight pad. I have compared it to a gc controller and i dont see any difference

Maybe the problem you're having is that you aren't putting yourself in the right position to be doing these things? Like if you hop into the air a lot you'll get punished for it, if you're in the air you can't shield. Try changing up your play-style to include more of a ground game so you can put yourself in the position to block.

and if that isn't the problem then think. Why can't I block? Why can't I punish? Then in the match put yourself in the position to do so.

I usually am in the position i just can't seem to execute things correctly. Like i've been whiffing a lot of aerials, and smash attacks that other people wouldn't have.

I think I need t play you and see just what is going on.

That would be really cool. I'm going to be available all day Saturday so whenever your free just let me know

 

[HeeroOfTheSkys]

Its snowing, im online, anyone wanna play?

 

[Dark.Pch]

Its snowing, im online, anyone wanna play?

I'll play, just give me 5 mins

 

[HeeroOfTheSkys]

I'll play, just give me 5 mins

Ok join when ur very ready

 

[HeeroOfTheSkys]

GGs Dark.pch. I find it really difficult 2 approach u, it just seems like u have an answer 4 everything I do, i gotta get rid of my bad habits that I keep doing, they really show against a player like u. I woulda played some more matches but the lag was gettin crazy

Thanks 4 the matches dude

 

[Dark.Pch]

GG's Dude. And the lag might have been fro my end. Cant wait till I get my net back next week. This area wifi interference is annoying sometimes.

And I just usually think of the most common thing people tend to do in certain situations I get them. So I then dish out the proper response for it. Playing a lot of people, you tend to see what people like to do in certain situations. So when I start a match, I usually just dance around them to se how they respond and how they play in general. Kinda downloading them and act like I will swing but wont. If I see a common pattern, I already know what to do since I am already use to seeing this kind of thing in general.

That's why it is good to play people a lot. So see how people generally play at certain skill levels then just go for adapting, baiting and then punish.

 

[Mrawesome48]

My internet has been acting up and i wasn't able to play but i am now. I just played 10 matches. Once again everyone air dodges out of any aerials and everyone'e else aerials connect. It's gotten to the point now that once im in the air im there until i lose a stock. Nothing is working. I don't understand why everyone else can shield and attack in the air but me. I'm not trying to be a downer but this is bull****.

 

[Mrawesome48]

i am online btw i made a room just join whenever ill keep it open for about 41 mins

 

[HeeroOfTheSkys]

I can play a few if ur still online

 

[Mrawesome48]

I can play a few if ur still online

I'll be on later today

 

[Awesomecakes]

My internet has been acting up and i wasn't able to play but i am now. I just played 10 matches. Once again everyone air dodges out of any aerials and everyone'e else aerials connect. It's gotten to the point now that once im in the air im there until i lose a stock. Nothing is working. I don't understand why everyone else can shield and attack in the air but me. I'm not trying to be a downer but this is bull****.

Do you know about buffering? Basically you just hold the next input while you're in cooldown lag of something else. So you'll be able to shield at the earliest frame possible. It'll also get you to have a sense of when all your moves end, so hopefully you'll learn to do safer moves.

The other thing that I can think of to help you to shield is to try to focus on proximity. Like, if you're in the range of someone else's attack you should probably shield. Lots of characters have quick moves that you might not be able to react to right away, so instead of trying to shield when you see an attack coming you can just choose your defensive option based on how close they are to you. Of course, if you're only doing shield then a good player might see this and grab you. but if your problem is shield then just focus on that right now and fix it after you start to get punished regularly for it. This is spacing in its most basic form. Its kinda difficult to train yourself to space on for glory though because most opponents don't really do it either.

If buffering, spacing and being on the ground doesn't help then its all just reaction time dude. Just play the game more and it should start to be intuitive. Try out all the different modes, and have fun. <3

 

[Mrawesome48]

Do you know about buffering? Basically you just hold the next input while you're in cooldown lag of something else. So you'll be able to shield at the earliest frame possible. It'll also get you to have a sense of when all your moves end, so hopefully you'll learn to do safer moves.

The other thing that I can think of to help you to shield is to try to focus on proximity. Like, if you're in the range of someone else's attack you should probably shield. Lots of characters have quick moves that you might not be able to react to right away, so instead of trying to shield when you see an attack coming you can just choose your defensive option based on how close they are to you. Of course, if you're only doing shield then a good player might see this and grab you. but if your problem is shield then just focus on that right now and fix it after you start to get punished regularly for it. This is spacing in its most basic form. Its kinda difficult to train yourself to space on for glory though because most opponents don't really do it either.

If buffering, spacing and being on the ground doesn't help then its all just reaction time dude. Just play the game more and it should start to be intuitive. Try out all the different modes, and have fun. <3

It's hard to have fun when your getting beat by everyone because you can't properly do basic fundamental skills that everyone else is able to do. My matches aren't determined by skill. Either im destroying someone or im getting destroyed because i can't do simple things like shielding and punishing, or throwing someone, or even attacking someone in the air. Most of the time when i lose it's not because my opponent is better than me it's because i cant do these simple things. If i could matches would be a lot more even and it wouldn't rely on luck that this attack connected

 

[Mrawesome48]

Just a quick update. Got a lot better at shielding having some difficulty with grab heavy chars such as Cf,Zss,Lucina. Working on dash grabbing atm. Looking for other ways to kill at high percentages that don't involve f-air or smashes.Opponents have been noticing that i have been doing f-air a lot when im going for the kill

 

[Piano]

Well, I'd say those are our better tools at killing. Up-smash works like a charm when your opponent comes from the air. Other killing options could be a back-throw or b-air near the ledge, a risky Toad edgeguard or a Peach bomber on low edgeguarding, but you need to get that percentage up.

 

[Mrawesome48]

Well, I'd say those are our better tools at killing. Up-smash works like a charm when your opponent comes from the air. Other killing options could be a back-throw or b-air near the ledge, a risky Toad edgeguard or a Peach bomber on low edge-guarding, but you need to get that percentage up.

See the problem is i have never been able to land a single Up-smash or air attack because everyone keeps air dodging out. I have literally tried everything and it's been almost 2 months since the game out and still can successfully land aerials

 

[HeeroOfTheSkys]

If people keep air dodging u have 2 bait it. Air dodging is very unsafe so try 2 predict it and punish accordingly.

 

[Mrawesome48]

If people keep air dodging u have 2 bait it. Air dodging is very unsafe so try 2 predict it and punish accordingly.

Not sure how air dodging is unsafe because it allows to avoid damage in the air 99% of the time. I have tried baiting, waiting a few extra seconds before attacking and it still doesn't work

 

[Awesomecakes]

Not sure how air dodging is unsafe because it allows to avoid damage in the air 99% of the time. I have tried baiting, waiting a few extra seconds before attacking and it still doesn't work

we worked on those a little bit when we practiced. Remember you can float to wait for them, and when they get close you start falling with them and hit with up air when the airdodge is done.

Also, part of it is knowing the habits of your opponents. You can vary the timings of your attacks to bait it. The first time or so you can go straight for the attack, if you notice they start airdodging go close as if you're going to do the attack and wait. They should be expecting an attack since they should notice your habits as well especially if their airdodging worked before.

 

[Mrawesome48]

we worked on those a little bit when we practiced. Remember you can float to wait for them, and when they get close you start falling with them and hit with up air when the air-dodging is done.

Also, part of it is knowing the habits of your opponents. You can vary the timings of your attacks to bait it. The first time or so you can go straight for the attack, if you notice they start air-dodging go close as if you're going to do the attack and wait. They should be expecting an attack since they should notice your habits as well especially if their air-dodging worked before.

This is way more than habits. This is every single person i play online and locally. Even my friends discovered if they just air-dodging then i cant hit them in the air, and to this day i have not won a single match. I am paying people to help me out because I'm so bad. I seem to be the only person in the world who cant hit someone in the air. I'm sick and fkin tired of losing every single match because i cant hit anyone in the air or land any F-smashes because they just air-dodge out. Heck even all my amiibo's learned that they could beat me if they just airdodge

 

[Awesomecakes]

This is way more than habits. This is every single person i play online and locally. Even my friends discovered if they just air-dodging then i cant hit them in the air, and to this day i have not won a single match. I am paying people to help me out because I'm so bad. I seem to be the only person in the world who cant hit someone in the air. I'm sick and fkin tired of losing every single match because i cant hit anyone in the air or land any F-smashes because they just air-dodge out. Heck even all my amiibo's learned that they could beat me if they just airdodge

Well if you attack with the same timing when you approach for an aerial, it would be easy to airdodge. Now that you've identified the problem all you need to do to fix that is vary your timings of attack just a little bit. If airdodging is enough to consistently get away from your attacks they have no reason to do anything different, the plus side of this for you is that when you do start changing your timings it'll seriously mess with their heads. Just try it dude. Next time you find yourself in a situation where you're gonna go for a Fair that would usually get airdodged, approach in the exact same way but stop yourself from going for the Fair. They will airdodge and you will be able to hit them after.

 

[Mrawesome48]

Well if you attack with the same timing when you approach for an aerial, it would be easy to airdodge. Now that you've identified the problem all you need to do to fix that is vary your timings of attack just a little bit. If airdodging is enough to consistently get away from your attacks they have no reason to do anything different, the plus side of this for you is that when you do start changing your timings it'll seriously mess with their heads. Just try it dude. Next time you find yourself in a situation where you're gonna go for a Fair that would usually get airdodged, approach in the exact same way but stop yourself from going for the Fair. They will airdodge and you will be able to hit them after.

Everyone's advice on smashboards is to bait timing. I'm doing that it's not working. I've played with countless people and everyone comes to the same conclusion "i dont understand why you cant land an aerial" Almost 2 months now still cant land one single hit. I will always stay garbage because i can't do these simple fundamental skills. I'm doing the same attacks, reading the same guides, watching the same tutorials yet im the only person who cant pull off an aerial.
Atm im not playing peach that much. Peach is an aerial char and since i cant land any aerials it's almost impossible to win. When im able to successfully land aerials i'll pick her back up but atm it's a waste of time. In all honesty im not even playing smash4 that much maybe like 15 mins a day. I'm tired of getting beat so hard every match because i can't land an aerial. All it's doing is making me upset and frustrated because i should be able to do fundamental stuff like everyone else in the world

 

[Mrawesome48]

Quick update I played some matches with some people on smashforums. Getting better on using tilts and being able to throw someone. Being able to hit someone in the air is the only real issue i seem to be having.