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STANDARD. "OU" - I make too many teams.

momochuu

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This is the team I've been using for quite a while now with pretty good success. The focus is Empoleon and Salamence sweeps with support from everyone else.




Uxie @ Leftovers
Levitate
Impish
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- U-Turn
- Yawn
- Protect

One of my favorite leads. She can inflict sleep, scout with Protect, and set up Stealth Rock. Many people switch out of Yawns, and if they do, I can just Yawn whatever switched in. Uxie is awesome.



Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Torrent
Modest
12 HP/12 Def/252 Sp Atk/232 Spe
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Agility

Aaaaand one of my favorite sweepers. Covers up the x4 Ice weakness for Salamence, and just has good resistances overall. During mid-game, it can come in on resistances, Substitute, Agility, then go to town. With Stealth Rock providing extra damage, Empoleon with boosts becomes a force.



Jolteon @ Choice Specs
Volt Absorb
Timid
6 HP/252 Sp Atk/252 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Signal Beam
- Shadow Ball

Thunderbolt from Jolteon with Choice Specs does some very good damage. Hitting Pokemon that expect Substitute with Thunderbolt can be devastating. I'm thinking about replacing Hidden Power Ice with Grass for Swampert and Mamoswine. I rarely see Swamperts now, though.



Salamence @ Life Orb
Intimidate
Naughty
232 Atk/24 Sp Atk/ 252 Spe
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Standard DD Salamence. Destroys ****.



Hariyama @ Leftovers
Thick Fat
Impish
80 HP/172 Atk/252 Def/4 Spe
- Force Palm
- Whirlwind
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off

Physical fat Hariyama. Has very good support options in Force Palm, Whirlwind, and Knock Off. Knocking Off a Blissey's Leftover's can make a HUGE difference in a match. Same goes for Heatran's Choice Scarf, Latias's Choice Specs, etc. Can switch in easily on Heatran because of Thick Fat, and can come in on Scizor fairly well and Whirlind it out if it's using a Sword Dance set. Very underrated Pokemon.



Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Snow Cloak
Adamant
252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spe
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard
- SuperPower

Pretty standard physical Pokemon. Choice Banded Earthquake from Mamoswine hits extremely hard. Physical powerhouses are pretty needed on this team.

 
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Solid team, I like it. The only thing you really have to look for is how you manage your choice users and your two walls. Both Uxie and Hariyama don't have the best defensive typing in the game nor reliable recoveries so I've always thought of them as one time use walls / supports(outside of abusing levitate and hariyama's x4 ice resist).

Interestingly enough, I can see an opposing sub-agility empoleon threatening this team by coming in your choice users. I don't really see any big weaknesses to this team as long as the choice pokemon don't create any sweeping situations for your foe.
 

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Go ahead and give Jolteon HP Grass. Dragons, as well as basically everything else the ice typing covers, will still cry at the sight of your team.

And although it's not too big a thing considering their usage, it seems as though bulky waters and some psychics could create slight issues for your team, seeing as Jolteon seems to be your only straightforward check for them. I guess you could just overpower them though (with the exception of Swampert and some Suicune sets, thanks to roar...), so like I said, it's not too big a deal.
 

xLeafybug =D

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Is it me, or is Uxie becoming more and more popular?

Fairly solid team, I like it.

Writer is right, give Jolteon HP Grass. Dragons still get ***** by Specs Jolt's TB, HP Ice isn't necessary.
 

NJzFinest

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Taunt > Uxie

Also, I wouldn't rely much on Yawning whatever they switch in. I mean, they can switch again, knowing that you're going to Yawn once again or U-turn, or, from the get go, switch into something that also has U-turn (*cough* Scizor) or doesn't mind Yawn/sleep at all. That's it. Uxie is pretty slow and the opponent would most likely already cripple it in some way before Yawn is even used.

I'd personally replace that Uxie with a Richi or a typical LeadZelf. Richi pulls off what you're trying to do cept better.
 

momochuu

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And although it's not too big a thing considering their usage, it seems as though bulky waters and some psychics could create slight issues for your team, seeing as Jolteon seems to be your only straightforward check for them. I guess you could just overpower them though (with the exception of Swampert and some Suicune sets, thanks to roar...), so like I said, it's not too big a deal.
Yeah, Latias is extremely annoying when I use this team. It's like a boss battle trying to take one out. Even switching Empoleon in on a Specs one is dangerous. I think it does more than 50% damage.


Taunt > Uxie

Also, I wouldn't really much on Yawning whatever they switch in. I mean, they can switch again, knowing that you're going to Yawn once again or U-turn, or switch into something that also has U-turn (*cough* Scizor) or doesn't mind Yawn/sleep at all from the get go. Uxie is pretty slow and the opponent would most likely already cripple it before Yawn is even used.

I'd personally replace that Uxie with a Richi or a typical LeadZelf. Richi pulls off what you're trying to do cept better.
I like to put people to sleep though. :urg: I might think about replacing it with Azelf or Jirachi. At least those two can actually attack.

 

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Dang, you saw my post before I edited the typos heh.

Umm, yeah. Try Roserade if you like to induce Sleep + still have a indirect damage setup + be able to put a dent in something.
Roserade usage is on a rise and with good reason.
 
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Definitely give Jolteon HP Grass. His TB ***** any dragon. Well, ALMOST any dragon. As for Salamence's Fire Blast, I'd give him Flame Thrower. A sweeping Tyranitar could prolly take him out. Sand Stream to raise evasiveness, then either Stone Edge or Outrage as well. I dunno. I just want to post helpfully here in the PC.
 
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wow, this is actually really good. I'm not so sure how I feel about signal beam jolteon, I might actually say **** it and opt for thunder unless you have a thing against celebi. otherwise, no fixes. surprisingly solid.
 

supermarth64

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IIRC, Specs TBolt 2HKOes Salamence anyway, and you're not going to be staying in on Flygon or Dragonite anyway. Agreeing with dropping HP Ice.

Make your Mence Naive; you want to at least tie base 100 scarfers and at least tie other positive base 100s before a DD.
 

momochuu

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wow, this is actually really good. I'm not so sure how I feel about signal beam jolteon, I might actually say **** it and opt for thunder unless you have a thing against celebi. otherwise, no fixes. surprisingly solid.
Signal beam is JUST for Celebi, lol. Freakin' hate that thing.

Definitely give Jolteon HP Grass. His TB ***** any dragon. Well, ALMOST any dragon. As for Salamence's Fire Blast, I'd give him Flame Thrower. A sweeping Tyranitar could prolly take him out. Sand Stream to raise evasiveness, then either Stone Edge or Outrage as well. I dunno. I just want to post helpfully here in the PC.
Sand Stream doesn't raise Tyranitar's evasiveness. I think Salamence can still OHKO Tyranitar with Earthquake, even without Dragon Dance. If it's a Dragon Dance Tyranitar, I can just send in Hariyama, lol. x_x

IIRC, Specs TBolt 2HKOes Salamence anyway, and you're not going to be staying in on Flygon or Dragonite anyway. Agreeing with dropping HP Ice.

Make your Mence Naive; you want to at least tie base 100 scarfers and at least tie other positive base 100s before a DD.
Now that you mention it, I rarely keep Jolteon on many things it can KO with HP Ice anyway. I've been using HP Grass, and it's much better. Mamoswine's Ice Shard does what I want to do with HP Ice, but better.
 

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I feel that something else could be better as a lead, as Uxie isn't doing too much and is just Taunt bait. You could probably try a standard flinching Rachi, who gets SR down and still manages to annoy the **** out of people. If you really want to Sleep and are concerned about a Ground weakness with Jirachi or something, you could probably try some sort of Smeargle lead.

I might suggest that you replace Hariyama with a RestTalk Machamp, taking status and still manages to check Tyranitar.
 
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