Stage/Character Matchups Chart -- Updated 01-29-2007

[pdk]

here it is, kiddies, the elusive chart i promised a few days ago, now for all to see (requires javascript, doesn't use cookies so don't get paranoid on me):

THE CHART! (excuse my geo****ties hosting, anyone have some good space to loan for this?)

i posted it now to get it out the door and see if it works right for everyone (the script is located in ./table-js.js if you want to pry it open, i've tested it and it doesn't give you final destination's matchups every time despite what it looks like so don't worry). all the matchups are currently blank since i figured the rest of you goons would know actual counter-picks better than i would, so commence flamewar and "D00D ROY TOTALLY HAS AN ADVANTAGE ON FOX IN THIS STAGE SEE I TOLD YOU HE'S TOP TIER" in 3... 2... 1...

edit 01-28-2007: added a whole slew of matches for dream land 64 and changed the summary feature a bit, have fun with it kids

edit 01-29-2007: another new feature, plus a bunch of matchups for dl64 and final destination

now, let us have a toast to this joyous event!

 

[Xx GuNz xX]

Well, it works for me. This will go along great with the character's match-up chart.

 

[Sushiman]

I don't think it works on my Macintosh. Either its the OS or I don't have javascript.

 

[pdk]

what browser and version of mac os are you using then?

also i have an update waiting that tells you which stage's chart you're looking at, i'll add it after i can get a few actual matchups in

 

[pdk]

there we go, this update adds a sparse few matchups for dream land 64 (but at least it's something to flame about) and a new currently-untested-due-to-lack-of-content-so-come-on-you-slackers-and-maybe-me-too ability to view a summary of the matchups for a group of stages (e.g. you can now get an idea of how characters fare against each other in all of the MLG legal stages)

 

[Garath331]

So, do we we say simple who has the advantange, all things considered, or do we say which stages help which characters? Say character A beats B 5-3, but on this stage A only beats B 5-4. Does A still have the advantage or do we count it as B's advantage?

 

[Pose]

Um I have javascript enabled on my firefox..but where do I click or is something supposed to come up?


-Nvm I'm an idiot >.>

 

[pdk]

So, do we we say simple who has the advantange, all things considered, or do we say which stages help which characters? Say character A beats B 5-3, but on this stage A only beats B 5-4. Does A still have the advantage or do we count it as B's advantage?

for simplicity the code that generates summaries only displays slight advantages, disadvantages or neutral (it recognizes the distinction between them and severe dis/advantages when retrieving values from the chart, though; it sees a severe dis/advantage as 2 dis/advantages, and a slight dis/advantage as 1). for example, in a set of 6 stages, if char A has a slight advantage on char B in 3 stages (1+1+1) and a slight disadvantage on 3 stages (-1+-1+-1) OR a slight disadvantage in two stages and a severe disadvantage in one (-2+-1+-1) it will show up as neutral in the summary. another example is that if the amount of bad matchups is equal to that of neutral matchups but greater than that of good matchups (severe/slight difference considered) it will show up as bad.

i could probably make it list which stages have severe dis/advantages when you mouseover one of the cells, or something similar, if that's what you're saying, though

and come on, people, i'm getting bored waiting for flamewars about matchups and staring at my empty chart

 

[Sushiman]

I'm using Mac OS X on Firefox. I checked, and my javascript is alrady enabled. . . I guesss I just don't know what to click.

EDIT: Nvm. It doesn't show anything, anyway. ahaha.

 

[blaargh198]

Nice job. The chart works for me on firefox 2.0, can't wait for the stages to be finished.
*bookmarks*

 

[marthsword]

I'm using Mac OS X on Firefox. I checked, and my javascript is alrady enabled. . . I guesss I just don't know what to click.

EDIT: Nvm. It doesn't show anything, anyway. ahaha.

The symbols aren't showing up for me, everything is only equals sign.

 

[pdk]

that's because final destination's matchups are currently all blank and that's the first stage it shows when you go to the page, right now the only thing with actual content is dream land 64

 

[pdk]

bump to revive this since it died early, just added another form of summarizing matchups, while dream land 64 and final destination are just about complete (come on kids, prove me wrong so this gets somewhere)

 

[ROB_[MCC}]

Wow! It's about time someone has tryed this. Major props. Of course this will go through the revision process that the general chart has gone through, but at least we have a start.

 

[pdk]

and lord knows it's getting frustrating waiting for that process to start, but alas :\

 

[Citrussed]

Nice work. :/ Id help. But I only know Pichu's match-ups. ;p

 

[Garath331]

for simplicity the code that generates summaries only displays slight advantages, disadvantages or neutral (it recognizes the distinction between them and severe dis/advantages when retrieving values from the chart, though; it sees a severe dis/advantage as 2 dis/advantages, and a slight dis/advantage as 1). for example, in a set of 6 stages, if char A has a slight advantage on char B in 3 stages (1+1+1) and a slight disadvantage on 3 stages (-1+-1+-1) OR a slight disadvantage in two stages and a severe disadvantage in one (-2+-1+-1) it will show up as neutral in the summary. another example is that if the amount of bad matchups is equal to that of neutral matchups but greater than that of good matchups (severe/slight difference considered) it will show up as bad.

i could probably make it list which stages have severe dis/advantages when you mouseover one of the cells, or something similar, if that's what you're saying, though

and come on, people, i'm getting bored waiting for flamewars about matchups and staring at my empty chart

I think you missed my point. Let me try wording this better.

(Also, don't argue with the match-up I use, it's not important to my question.)
Say Fox typically holds the advantage over Peach. But if they play on Dreamland 64 Fox holds a much smaller advantage over Peach. Do we say that Fox has the advantage here because he is still expected to win, or do we say that Peach gets the advantage because it is now easier for her to win than if they had played on another stage?

 

[pdk]

yes, fox would get the advantage in your example since he'd still be winning on that stage

(edited since i just read it again)

 

[mood4food77]

if it's a smaller advantage for fox on dreamland, then fox still has the advantage, if it's even, it's even, it rarely changes the match-up from disadvantage to advantage (maybe yoshi's, FoD, or mute city would change to peach's favor)

i looked at the list, i don't like it's, yes it's easy to understand, but it's not at the same time, since only like, 3 character match-ups are determined by stage pick, and usually, that stage is a bad stage for that character overall, like destination for ganon, he does a lot worse on that stage than the rest of the stages, why, there are no platforms and ganon loves platforms, so does that mean every character has an advantage on him on destination, no, it means that most of the characters do better on him on destination than on otehr stages

if you created a character vs. character counter pick thing, it would've been nicer, like if you want to know the best stage for your character (let's use bowser) against a fox, then you would go bowser vs. fox, and the answer would show (yoshi's), then it would go down to which stage would be the worst (uhhh...FD?)

also, it's too similar, not enough colors, we've already yelled at phanna for not having enough colors, you only have mild/large (dis)advantages and even match-ups, what about almost even, or moderate

one thing i saw wrong, fox has the advantage on falco on FD, everywhere else is in falco's favor, and sheik does not have the advantage on falco ever, it's almost even or in falco's favor

 

[pdk]

can't be hard to add a "top picks" section of sorts, and how many more options on the matchup "spectrum" would you add?

 

[mood4food77]

pretty much from getting ***** (0-5) to ****** (5-0)

but we already have a chart like that, so instead of making another one of those (sorry phanna beat you to it), because making a thing like this is kinda pointless, since there already is one, you could just put, best stage for character type chart, like character on the side and going across the top are the stages, but change the colors of the names to indicate something differerent like banned, neutral, counterpick, something like that

or you could do best teammate thing and be creative, but in all honosty, we do not need 2 character match-up charts, even if yours shows the stage effect, nothing against you, we just don't need another one

 

[Airo]

please prove to me/us that you have a broad and well rounded experience to accurately make such a complex chart like this...

it is immensely complex just to know the match ups for every character...., to make a chart as complex as this, i believe only the BRoomers have enough knowledge to try making a chart like this.

from what i see, a lot of these are just wrong wrong wrong.

 

[mood4food77]

some of us do have the BRoomers knowledge, just don't have the access yet, but we can take everyone's ideas and put them together, and hopefully it can affect the future of smash (remember 3 heads are better than 1), but yes, this complex of a chart is unnecessary, who wants to know each characters match-ups on different stages, since they mostly won't change

 

[pdk]

think something like this would work better?

 

[Samochan]

Can't somehow see the chart, even though I have JavaScript. <_>;;

 

[mood4food77]

kinda, like that, but don't use negative numbers, too confusing

 

[phish-it]

Good God. This looks like the most unnecessarily complicated project to tackle that it isn't even worth it in the long run.

Phanna's character match-ups are already difficult to agree on but at least it is something more realistic to complete.

I'm not trying to shoot this idea down, but good luck on finishing it.

 

[mood4food77]

it's kinda why we're encouraging him to do something else, like more of a characters best stage thing, it's not necessary but it'll help